Are Poles the ones who understand Russians better than anyone?

I admit that I am almost incapable to understand the russian mindset and I am sure many others will agree that Russians seem sometimes very incomprehensible,difficult to understand.

On the other hand Poles claim that they understand very well the russian mentality.Is there any truth in this claim?

Mentality in what sense? Paint pictures clearly enough and almost everyone should get it. What's complicated about it?

well, Russians originates from Poles. It could be

Wait, but you aren't Polish, Seanus :)


Yeah, but somewhere down the line, they forgot about their roots.

Right, how stupid of of me ;) ;0

All the American and other profs of Russian studies from around the world haven't a clue what they are talking about, right? ;) Only the Poles :)

Sure, but not self-proclaimed PF historians :)

Yeah, gotta hate them, right? ;) ;)

I usually just ignore them...

Russians know Russians better than Poles know Russians.

Or do they?

I'm English and I don't understand the English. Plenty of people here claim to know better, both from here and from abroad.

Who, in this case, constitute Russians? The so-called ethnic Russians or people of the Russian Federation generally, both Russian and non-Russian? I've read plenty of Dostoevsky and a bit of Russian and Finno-Ugric history, but don't usually claim that makes me any sort of expert in the field.

Is the relationship, similarity or difference between ethnic Russians and citizens of the Russian Federation roughly the same as that between the English and UK-ers in general? If so, why? If not, why not?

Russians (and Slavs in general) originate from Ukraine.

I think we understand them way better than Westerners, and that is true that Slavs originate from the Ukraine

Of course you do, PennBoy ;) So, spill the beans lad. Give us a psychological profile and tell us sth we didn't already know. We are listening :)

They very often talk crap indeed.

Maybe so, maybe not. It depends on the points they are trying to make.

So, Greg, any contributions to the thread?

Well first, for instance, i have more Russian and Ukrainian friends than Polish, and second of all i wasn't talking to you di**head, i'm sure i know a whole lot more than you, where did u see a Russian at your local market?? so shut up, you fu**in' idiot.

Oh, tough talk from PennBoy behind a computer, hehehe. There were many Russians in Shimane-ken where I was. Mostly ******! How complicated ;)

I'm listening, boy.

Yes,Poles say oh yes,we understand Russians.

Polish don't know Russians better than others...we just know their advantages and disadventages. And vice versa - Russians see our disadventages too.

Crow


Russians barely originated from Poles. Their genealogy includes many other eastern slavic tribes, turks, mongols, and even Germanics. Surely, while they are encompassed mostly of Slavic route, this does not mean it came from Poland. There are many different slavics. Russians might as well be related to any other Slavic state.

As far as your question goes, it deals with psychology not genetics. Maybe since Poles were under Soviet rule for nearly half a century? I doubt it, I better understand Russians because I have taken time to read books and take courses on their history and culture. Not because I'm Polish.....

Thirdly, the Slavics didn't all come from Ukraine, certain tribes might of, but not all of them.

Please study these map's of slavic origin. They are not all "the same".

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Slavic_europe.svg

In modern times, West Slavic is known to have genetic differences with East Slavic.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Slavarchaeology.png

Going back to ancient times, you'll see the slavic origins are different from east to west to south.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Origins_500A.png

During late Roman times, you'll see how these different tribes settled.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Distribution_Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.svg

If you look at the gene distribution on Haplogroup R1a (the predominant Slavic gene) you'll see that it's quite widespread. The percentages indicated how many precent of that population has it within the given country.

polishmeknob

Slavs did not originate from Ukrainians. That's a very politicized argument that I hear and laugh at every single time. It makes people feel special when they say that, especially Ukrainians..no offense to anyone...

When the Proto-Slavic tribes were migrating and settling, Ukrainians did not exist. Neither did Russian, Polish, etc.... there were the Proto Slavs...whom all slavs originated from...

Slavs originated from the Finno Urgic people, who migrated from the far North into Eastern Europe. The tribes that settled in Southern Poland and Northern Ukraine eventually began to disperse across what we now know as Eastern Europe/Russia, and the slavic ethnicities formed over time.

good point :)

violetta

So it's all the same: Poles, Russians, Ukrainians etc all descent from proto-Slavs. Just like the Germans, Dutch, English, Danes, Swedes and Norwegians descent from the proto-Germans.

M-G (nothing changes, really)

Ugh I don't like reading that yugh...

Get used to it...

You have something against Scandinavians? :)

M-G (shopping spree now)

hmm interesting view - but rather false - Slavic languages have nothing to do with Finno-Ugric language family - Slavic languages are Indo European while Finno-Ugric are not

Huh? I thought Finoegric ppl descended from the Huns? There are only a handful of Finoegric ppl in Europe: The Fins, Hungarians, Estonians and Karelians. I'm sure I forgot a few, but these are the main. They are not Slavic. They're a different race of ppl. Slavs do not descent from them. As far as I know.

M-G (beer: Karpacki, 4 cans for 5 Euros. I know I'm a cheapskate:) )

Ehm? No I am scandinavian... I don't like the idea saying scandinavians are germanic... They are scandinavian that's it. Not my fault that some moronic fellas run away from the villigaes and started to go south to conquer and pillage...

Would stayed at home and then Norwegian language wouldn't been Germanized bah!

Erm....



So sorry Mr. Grunwald, not everybody can be a descendant of the proud Poles....:)


It seems you got it backwards...


But you aren't a Germanic, aren't you?
Didn't you once say you are a Pole???