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Poles nation on the wheels...?

Plywood 4 | 36  
29 Nov 2008 /  #1
Poles nation on the wheels... ?
They have flooded the western USSR in 80-s with the goods from Turkey maid in Hong-Kong.
Fully packed in to the microcars (F126p).
On the way back the bring food from Soviet Ukraine to starving Poland in Solidarity time.
The "soviets" and pols was happy with that border handel (bussines).

Any body on this forum remember or been in this massive business ?
Borrka 37 | 594  
30 Nov 2008 /  #2
In the 80-ties Poles and Soviets as well, were not even allowed to visit the neighboring country in organized tourist groups not to mention individual travels.

All because of politics and Solidarity movement.
So stop this BS.
OP Plywood 4 | 36  
30 Nov 2008 /  #3
Do Wilna Stefan woził gumę do żucia i dżinsy, tam
sprzedawał, a z powrotem, wwoził do Polski "kamyczki".

Woziłem do ZSRR dżinsy, spodenki w palmy, paski, plakietki z zespołami. Przywoziłem stamtąd np. pierścionki i baterie paluszki

w roku 1990, jeździłem na Białoruś do Mińska na tzw. ''wycieczki turystyczno- handlowe'', gdzie woziło sie hurtem najtańsze tureckie dżinsy na sprzedaż, a przywoziło sie złoto, wódkę i między innymi zegarki

Wychowany na pakowaniu malucha 'po dach' byłem dobrze przygotowany merytorycznie do pakowania Lanosa :-D

artysta - plastyk Kazimierz Moździerz, który w czasie, gdy wszyscy zza wschodniej granicy przywozili brylanty i telewizory, przekraczał ją, wioząc z sobą kilka desek z drewna gruszy

sorry all info in polish but it is free translation page
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
30 Nov 2008 /  #4
On the way back the bring food from Soviet Ukraine to starving Poland in Solidarity time.

It seems that soviet propaganda worked and is still infecting your brain.
In 1980's Polish railroad workers would wels train wheel to the tracks to delay transport of Polish food to the USSR. Soviets have always had problems with food supply due to their fantastically inefficient practices, corruption and alcoholism.

1980's was the times of the embargo on grain exports to the USSR. Soviets could not produce enough to feed their own and the official propaganda stated that the great Soviet nation suffers shortages because they need to help Poland, devastated by the Solidarity movement.

Btw. the largest country in the world, with all the resources one could dream of, and they still couldn't produce enough food.

But there are good reasons for that. In the USSR ideology was the food, and it would override all common sense decisions. In 1930's, I believe, Stalin wanted to have a proof that collective farming is better than individual ways. A group of individuals were given plots of land, and an equal area of land was given to a collective farm. After a couple years the yields were compared. The collective farms were about 10 times less efficient than the private ran plots of land. The Soviet conclusion was that the individual farmers taking part in the experiment were to be... sent to prisons, since their actions were counter revolutionary and dangerous for the Soviet people.


And your mention nothing of food smuggling from the USSR either. They are mostly so called luxury items.
lesser 4 | 1,311  
30 Nov 2008 /  #5
Polish farmers had have enough of food but they were unwilling to hand it to thieving government. There was famous case when Polish government asked their Soviets socialist brothers about 30 tones (?) of meat. Soviets struggled to find so much (or rather so little) and finally failed although I'm not 100% sure. Management of Soviet collective farms often cheated government about their supposed efficiency (to reach some standard, otherwise they would be punished) and thus they had a lot of food on paper only.
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
30 Nov 2008 /  #6
Polish farmers have enough of food but they were unwilling to hand it to thieving government.

That is true. There was plenty of food available from farmers but the government imposed restrictions in order to maintain the artificially created shortages. It was, for instance, illegal to sell or buy food products (especially meat) on the open market. The trade was labeled "spekulacja" which have a criminal connotation.
lesser 4 | 1,311  
30 Nov 2008 /  #7
Those citizens whom have some family or contacts in villages ate better.
OP Plywood 4 | 36  
30 Nov 2008 /  #8
w latach 80 jechalem sobie do W-wy i jakis gosc wyjal banana i sobie zazeral a jakies dziecko powiedzialo 'popatrz mamusiu jaki dziwny ogórek, nie zielony tylko zólty"

Pułkownik Czesław Pakulniewicz, choć niechętnie, ale przyznaje, że przyjaźń z ZSRR rzadko bywała prawdziwą przyjaźnią, czyli uczuciem bezinteresownym. Jak mówi, do ZSRR wielu zagorzałych działaczy partyjnych i TPPR jeździło głównie po dobra, jakich u nas nie było: kolorowe telewizory, złote pierścionki, obrączki, medaliki, wódkę, słodycze.

- A my woziliśmy do nich ubrania. Najchętniej kupowali jeans. I tak to się kręciło - raduje się major Władysław £azorczyk.

Food aid to Poland - George Bush statement - transcript
AUG. 1, 1989(1)
I am pleased to announce today that the United States will provide additional support for the Polish people and the democratization process. We are prepared to provide Poland with up to $50 million in food aid in FY 1990. It will include, but go for beyond, the 8,000 metric tons of surplus commodities to be provided in FY 1990 in accordance with the American Aid to Poland Act. We intend to provide to Poland supplies of sorghum, corn, and butter, subject to the availability of those commodities. We anticipate that all this aid will be on a grant basis. The commodities would be sold in Poland, with the proceeds being used to fund agricultural development activities there.

As we see the Polish Government was dependent on the food aid from states
when ' ordinary ' peasants was happy, as you have told, ' to smuggling from the USSR... mostly so called luxury items'
Probably to recognize ' smuggling eggs from the USSR ' is far to match to mention for the former PZPR party bosses?
So he jast stops on vodka and sweets...
lesser 4 | 1,311  
30 Nov 2008 /  #10
As we see the Polish Government was dependent on the food aid from states

Americans sometimes don't feel the situation in other continents. Look at Iraq.

The point is that people don't care how much food government posed. They do care to have enough of food themselves. While certainly they don't count on government on these matters.

Also vodka and sweets are hardly necessary to survive. Average Soviet citizen could not get as much as he wanted as well, if anything at all. When you talk about food, I think rather about more popular products.

Your link tell as about communist party members travelling to SU, sorry but they are not representative for Polish society. They were privileged, they could travel and they had proper connections to trade.
OP Plywood 4 | 36  
30 Nov 2008 /  #11
Im not about food in this topic
Im about unskilled workers in europe
I can admit polish language is the No 1 in that field
You do not have to speak english or any other lingo in EU
To speak polish will do the job and you will be with a job in days in most of the europe

Are the Poles nation on the wheels...?
lesser 4 | 1,311  
1 Dec 2008 /  #12
Skilled or unskilled workers, anybody who is willing to work, such attitude deserve a respect. Those whom are doing everything to don't work, those whom strike over and over protected by powerful unions, they should be ashamed! In every country you find both groups of people, today such travels are profitable for Polish people (among others) and some of them take this opportunity.
OP Plywood 4 | 36  
1 Dec 2008 /  #13
profitable (opłacasię) - yes it is typical world in London's transport between any two pols conversation...

And other exchange questions:
Have did you found work ?
What is your salary ?

After that is long... long... silence...

Nobody will earn on the Pole
Last who will earn it is the Pole
lesser 4 | 1,311  
1 Dec 2008 /  #14
Perhaps someday you will realize that claim is baseless...
OP Plywood 4 | 36  
1 Dec 2008 /  #15
So with the mentality "not profitable" you are not polish anymore ?
lesser 4 | 1,311  
2 Dec 2008 /  #16
You practically exposed your weakness. I can say about some certain actions being profitable or otherwise. While you write about "not profitable" mentality that you apparently have. I don't care what is your nationality.

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