Secret Society/Secret Police in Poland

just curious as to if i have the right site for this question but i live in Australia and just watched the Movie "National Treasure" with Nicholas cage playing lead roll. Are the masons in the movie one in the same with what use are discussing and if so i would like to learn more as i just found out a friend of mine is involved in this society and when i approached him about it the conversation ended very quickly and nothing i got out of him made sense. he basically said that it is of up most secrecy and lead me to believe that they are not just some small society that they are everywhere. Can you shed some light on the masonary society?

Which of the ministers if from Opus Dei?

Freemasonry & it's offshoots are very powerful worldwide...if you checked the EU leadership, you would probably find about 80% Freemasons...it penetrated the Catholic Church long ago, which, in my opinion is why the Church won't modernize a bit...you see,

Freemasons do not believe in Jesus Christ: their God is called Jahbulon...one of the Freemasonic goals is the destruction of the Catholic Church and/or Christianity...this will

never happen, of course, but I think that many good Catholic Cardinals know of this threat, and fear to make some changes that would attract younger people.

The same old nonsense keeps getting trotted out by those who know nothing. But always worth debunking lies. Let's have a look:


Very few politicians have the time. maybe a few retired 'EU leaders', whatever that means.


Why would they want to penetrate the RC Church? What for? And anyway, the Church has modernised a lot since the 60s.


Most do. Others believe in Mohammed, Buddha, Vishnu, some are Jewish, some not religious, many Christian, some New Agers. I'm not personally religious[/quote]


No it isn't - Freemasonry is not a religion. You've been reading too many conspiracy theorists.


Freemasonry per se doesn't have any goals. And why would they want to destroy somebody's religion? Especially when that religion is rather effective at destroying itself.

If anybody wants a more realistic picture of the craft in Poland, have a look at (three W's) .wolnomularstwo.pl which is the masons' own website here. Or for a n outside look just read about it on Wikipaedia.

Unless some odball comes along and says that the masons or any other respectable social group is manipulating the internet, along with alien landings, the Polish election results and the death of Kennedy/Diana/Elvis. :-))))

There were some in the last government. Roman Giertych is a keen member.

Of course, you have 'debunked' nothing, but you don't have time for that.
You can read the works of Pike & Mackey, high-ranking Masonic 'theologians' and they call it a religion...and yes, indeed, the god of Masonry is called Jahbulon, a composite god composed of Jehovah/Yahweh (Ja)-Baal (Bul)-Osiris (On)...if you think that there

isn't a heavy Masonic presecence in Executive/Judicial/Legislative branches of most
national & local governments, you might be shocked...or maybe you wouldn't...I can't speak of Freemasonry in Poland as I am ignorant about the situation...but in the US/UK/

EU, it has a very strong presence.

Pike and Mackay (both dead for over a century) are very much on the margins. Most masons haven't heard of Pike who was a bit of an oddball.

Read my lips: there is no 'masonic god'. Never has been, never will be. The name you mention is better known by anti-mason than masons and does not form part of our culture. Yet it keeps coming up again and again on US based websites run by conspiracy theorists who blame us for everything from Jack the Ripper to UFOs.

As for the strong presence thing, in the US there are only about a 1.5 million masons, in the UK, the most recent figure is 274000, most are business people, doctors, lawyers. The old thing about police, magistrates etc is a lot of old rubbish.

In Poland, by the eay, there are less than 500, though I'm pleased to see that you've chosen the username 'joepilsudski'. You are aware, I'm sure, that his brother was a very keen mason.

Oh, and Josef Pilsudski himself wanted to join and indeed went through the interview process but in the end decided not to because he didn't want to further alienate the church who advised him against it. Always a supporter though.

Very true. Just look at the symbolism on the USA dollar bills. 1776 was also the year for the foundation of The Bavarian Illumanati. I also think all bar 3 American Presidents have had Masonic Links.

What makes me lugh is that most people put these therioes into the same basket.

The defination of the word conspiracy is :

1. the act of conspiring.
2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.
4. Law. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.
5. any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.

If people are telling me that the above is not going on ten they need to wake up. I know alot of people deny this fact to themselves bedause they find it hard to realise the truth and find it more comfortable in their comfy bubbles that they live in from day to day.

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Like BW said there are quite a few levels in the Free Masons - I know onr or two people who have been active for many years - for them its part of being an little group who raise an awful lot of money for charity - but they dont make a lot of noise about it - some kind of a co-operative society exists wherein they help each other out....Oh and aparently the dinners are very nice :)

I also met a couple of Norweigen free masons in spain recently - they used a lodge in Fuengirola and were quite happy to explain (highly riviting stuff :( )

Interesting to note though the highest is the number 33 with all its magical and powerful vibrations.

There isn't any masonic symbolism on the dollar bill. Some people assume the eye in the pyramid is a masonic symbol, but it ain't. It was however a popular symbol of God at the beginning of the 19th Century.

The Bavarian Illuminati (as far as I know) weren't all masons and only existed for a few years until they were banned as a republican movement. A popular novel in the 1960s had them reappearing as a sinister group, but that was pure fiction.

There have been a few US presidents who were masons, by no means "all but 3". Here's the list with relevant dates:
1 George Washington (Pres. 1789-1797)(MM 1753)
2 James Monroe (Pres. 1817-1825)(MM 1776)
3 Andrew Jackson (1829-1837)(MM 1800?)(Fedl #1 1830)
4 James K. Polk (Pres. 1845-1849)(MM 1820)
5 James Buchanan (Pres. 1857-1861)(MM 1817)
6 Andrew Johnson (Pres. 1865-1869)(MM 1851)
7 James A. Garfield (Pres. 1881)(MM 1864)
8 William McKinley (Pres. 1897-1901)(MM 1865)
9 Theodore Roosevelt (Pres. 1901-1909)(MM 1901)
10 William H. Taft (Pres. 1909-1913)(MM 1901)
11 Warren G. Harding (Pres. 1921-1923)(MM 1920)
12 Franklin D. Roosevelt (Pres. 1933-1945)(MM 1911)
13 Harry S. Truman (Pres. 1945-1953)(MM 1909)
14 Gerald R. Ford (Pres. 1974-1977)(MM 1951)

There are indeed 33 degrees within freemasonry, though paradoxically the 3rd and not the 33rd is highest. Getting the 33rd used to be a requirement for Shriners' membership, though that was dropped a couple of years back. It would come as a surprise to most Shriners to hear that they magically vibrate. :-))

Some masons (including me) do however feel special feeling which some describe as vibrations within lodge rooms, and some very sensitive people claim to be able to feel something special even when the room is empty. Most lodges have an anual Open Day, advertised in the local press, so it might be interesting to go along and find out.

im not going to claim any authority on masonic emblism but i did think that it was generally accepted that the 'all-seeing-eye', or 'the eye of providence' is a masonic emblem

what, apparently, is NOT a masonic symbol is an all-seeing-eye in a pyramid although, apparently, an all-seeing-eyein a triangle is... hmmm...

is the eye on the dollar bill in a triangle or a pyramid...?

looks like a triangle hovering over the broken top of pyramid to me

but what do i know - perhaps some one could offer a plausable explanation

Masonic symbology includes the concept of conscience and accountability to the world around us, sometimes represented by the image of a star with an eye in the centre, though it's not at all a universal idea within the craft. Contrary to popular reference, as in the film 'National Treasure', the pyramid is not a masonic symbol.

On the dollar bill, the pyramid imagery is taken from the Great Seal of the USA. The 'eye of providence', representing God, was included on the seal at the suggestion of Eugene de Simitiere, not a FM. Of the seal's four designers, only one, Ben Franklin, was a mason. The top of the pyramid is detached (thereby resembling a triangle) to represent that the USA is not complete (or wasn't at the time the seal was designed).

Roosevelt (a 32 degree mason) when approving the banknote's design insisted on a couple of changes to make it clear that the image on the note represented the Great Seal.

Interestingly, the masonic use of an eye seems to have originated a few years after the Great Seal, and may have been inspired by it, although it was a pretty popular piece of imagery many years ago.

A good example of the masonic version of the star/eye symbol can be found in Warsaw, carved in stone over the door of a former lodge building on the North side of al. Solidarności, east of the junction with al. Jana Pawła II.

U morons im a mason! We don't make pyramids lol. We use them for symbolic meaning only! No we r not behind the scenes pulling strings. YES WE HAVE HAD MANY POWERFUL MEMBERS but that doesn't mean we r trying to take over.

Does anyone know the earlist date Polish stated joining the mason's?

i didn't know there was one.

The first lodge in Poland was founded in 1721 in Warsaw, though there were almost certainly Polish members who joined abroad before that date. One problem is that most membership records from the old days haven't survived, and that due to geography, most great buildings in Poland were built from brick. There are some extremely old buildings in Kraków with masons' marks on, but no records exist to shed more light on their origins.