What if scenario´s for WW2 and Poland

I meant Himmler, Heydrich had balls to spare, he wasnt too smart traveling around in an open car but he had nuts.

Had or was, Sokrates?;)
You just can't have everything :) I think humanity is choosing the right direction by eliminating nuts gene.

Both, Hitler himself called Heydrich a fool and an idiot for traveling in an unarmoured open car.

Definitely both!

SOuthern is still alive, dude.

No system is perfect ;) or maybe, this is just a time issue :)



Well, sometimes being nuts may look like having nuts :) and may not mean both.
But I have to agree that he had nuts everywhere :)

There was another coup de' etat organized in 1938 just before the war and postponed at the last moment.


Hitler also stayed in open car in Prague parade.These guys had information.(was he in open car in Warsaw?Hm.hm).

Hitler was The Leader, he had to be seen regardless the risks, also the parade was early on when all the stuff Germans did was not quite public, Heydrich on the other hand did not and given what he did for the living (managing usuall SS business of gas chambering women and children, blowing the brains of hostages etc) he should've known there's a piper to pay.

Noone can be compared to Stalin who had the balls to give a speech in central square in Moscow with german troops just 20 km away,while Hitler hid like a rat in a bunker when the Soviets approached Berlin.

You have no idea about Stalin's cowardness.
He planned to move the Soviet capital to Samara where his 40 m deep bunker already waited for him.
travbuddy.com/travel-blogs/19237/Stalins-bunker-1

The same Stalin who said "All that Lenin created we have lost forever" and retreated to his Dacha having a nervous breakdown?

Some support the notion that Stalin actually never appeared in public after 1941 and just had a person who looked like him appearing.

Stalin was the worst, stinking, scared rat who lost his speech for 3 weeks after Nazi invasion. He didn't say a thing, because he was a low scum, sucking on his tail. B*tch

Stalin's legendary speech in Moscow.

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/6859183/Kremlin-campaign-revives-Stalins-reputation-in-Russia.html

Yeah legendary alright.. in so many he words he just said "If you leave Moscow you will be shot."

That b*tch wasn't even able to speak without reading his retarded front news. scum didn't mention that there will be one rifle for 3 soldiers and that a year ago in 1940, Finland kicked Soviet's ass in 100 days. The bit*h didn't mention that he killed 30,000 high rank officers 3 years ago and deported millions of Poles, Tatars, Bielorusy, Moldovans, Germans and other people to Siberia, hungered to death 10 million Ukrainians and devastated everything that could have formed a front of resistance. That arrogant b*tch only watched and spoke derogatorily swaying as a w*ore.

Read about Winter War and its casualties and you might imagine what Soviet Army was like when Nazi attacked. And for some other scum that speech seems legendary.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War

So what is the conclusion here?...Pilsudski mad a treaty with Hitler, and Hitler greatly respected him...

As far as Hitler's views on the Polish or plans for them, I have seen no compelling documentation...In 'Mein Kampf', from the excepts I have read, Hitler makes certain statements about Slavs being incapable of self-governance...But, there is testimony that 'Mein Kampf' was ghost written.

Other German National Socialists, such as Otto Strasser, there from the founding of the party, opposed any 'racial purity' ideas, and sought a type of socialism in Germany that would make it independent and productive, and free from domination from the Prussian 'junker' types, huge industrialists and militarists.

There were problems with the Germans over the Danzig corridor, and certain German anger over German lands that became part of Poland after WWI...Yet, it was Pilsudski who prevented the Red Army from rolling into Germany in 1920.

So what was the German plan for Poland?...Communist plan we know: Make Poland a satellite, impose usual tyranny...We know that Hitler considered the Jews in Poland a big problem, but what was the plan for the Poles?...We clearly see that Hitler and Stalin agreed to carve up Poland...Both saw Poland a a type of 'buffer', but this strategy was completely flawed, as it actually put both systems 'eyeball-to-eyeball'.

Question not answered as far as I can see...We know the carnage that occurred, yes, but WAS THERE ANY ACTUAL STRATEGY OR LONG RANGE PLAN?...Was Poland to be an inferior 'Eastern principality' of the Reich?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

Which German lands would that be ?

vetala
Looks like Polish as a nation was doomed for extermination. Unbelievable.

29 October 1942 - Final "General Settlement Plan" from the RKFDV. Concerns population transfers in occupied Poland and Bohemia and Moravia. See Mechthild Roessler and Sabine Schleiermacher, eds., Der "Generalplan Ost": Hauptlinien der nationalsozialistischen Planungs- und Vernichtungspolitik (Berlin: Akademie Verlag, 1993), pp. 96-117.

This is a good article, with reference to the original documents; in German, albeit not too difficult:
nadir.org/nadir/archiv/Antifaschismus/Themen/Revanchismus/nwh/gpo.html

Heh:)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost


Ah ja


Some ideas made it now to a plan...hmmm....


I'm sure there were alot of ideas floating around...one of them was Hitler asking Pilsudski for an alliance before the war broke out...

See, one must have many, many questions about Hitler...Certainly Otto Strasser did, and Hitler went after him through the war years, but not catching him...But, Hitler killed his brother Gregor, who was a loyal servant of Hitler...The Strassers were from Bavaria, and Otto was a true hero and an officer in the German army during WWI...Otto claims that during the Munich uprising in, what 1919, when the Communists attempted to take over Bavaria, Hitler was nowhere to be seen, yet proclaimed his 'eternal opposition to Bolshevism'...Strasser himself led a coalition of German soldier and officers from WWI, and they defeated the Bolsheviks...According to Strasser, AFTER THIS, Hitler pop up on the scene, with some money.

Me, I can't understand how any sane German leader could think he would take over Poland, Hungary, Ukraine, Russia etc. and RULE these nations for any length of time...This defies logic...As did Hitler's defiance of his own General's advice on many matters.

When 'Barbarossa' failed to gain victory in 1941, the jig up...Was this whole plan just a 'plan for failure'?...Was it bad luck?...Was there more to it?

Many questions...You got to wonder.

I will say this: I think Hitler was quite a good painter, contrary to what 'opinion' says...Quite good...He should have stayed with it, IMHO, he was an artist at heart.

Painting by Hitler

My opinon? His mind detoriated with the time...the Hitler from '43 wasn't anymore the one from '33...every brain he had he lost somewhere inbetween.

Once a smart politician he became something else...and as people and officers woke up it was
hard to go against the loyalty they had sworn to the sane man...

It's hard to explain what happened otherwise..

Sane is the relevant word here. All that ranting about Jews, conspiracies etc...


Almost none of his paintings had human figures in. His 'art' dealer used to implore him to include them, to make them more saleable. He painted some townscapes entirely empty of humanity.

Well, you see, this man, really an artist at heart, vegetarian and aesthetic, he got involved in politics, the ultimate corruption...SUDDENLY, he is 'the Furher', having power over life and death, a 'man of destiny', all this, and also a military commander, the supreme commander...Please, this is too much for 99% of mortal men.

Now you also know, and I will be smeared for making this statement, he had a doctor, Jewish, who was shooting him with various drugs, and I suspect that among them were methedrine and various synthetic morphines, and who knows what else...The Germans are probably the world's leading chemists, to this day.

Whereas Stalin had the cunning of a fox, and the instincts of a jackal, Hitler had an intellect and a vision....You may certainly question his vision, but he was a thinker, probably too much so.

Hardly suddenly. His rise to power took several years, a jail sentence and two general elections.

Say 100! I doubt such ultimate power would not change ANYONE!

But here it was something more...he was sick all the time, under heavy medication...he tried new medicine too together with his special doctor....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler#Health

He became addicted to that: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine


Well....we can scratch sex, that leaves obsession with a task!

Yes, you are correct, the process of 'trance-formation' took awhile, but 10 years can be the blink of an eye.