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The movie Defiance is a big lie (heroes that saved Poland suppored communism)


Husaria  - | 15  
11 Feb 2009 /  #61
What would you do in there situation?

Well considering there were Polish army units that fought on despite doomed odds and there was heavy resistance from the general populace i find it a disgrace that a bunch of Jews that take refuge in a country that gives them tolerance to some degree(defiantly more so than some other countrys)and equality than they go on to betray them, side with the Soviets and rape and kill our people. What would i do in their situation? i would most definitely not start raping and killing my country men(yes those idiots were Polish not Belorussian)They did this to peasants that refused to co-operate(considering they sided with the Soviets) Hey here is a good idea why don't you become national partisans instead of bandits that live for their own greedy ass, and villages will co-operate and support you.
Easy_Terran  3 | 311  
11 Feb 2009 /  #62
Polish Gays

Wow, that would make Poland the gayest country in WWII era, wouldn't?
3 mil killed gays right there. I'd better have another look into my sexuality...
Husaria  - | 15  
11 Feb 2009 /  #63
Little harsh don't you think ET lol i pretty sure she just meant gays are a under presented victim of the holocaust.
LAGirl  9 | 496  
12 Feb 2009 /  #64
thats what I meant husaria that the gays no matter what european country they were from was extermenated. so were Poles for helping jews. to me thatw as sick and no good.
Easy_Terran  3 | 311  
12 Feb 2009 /  #65
so were Poles for helping jews

No, no. You've got that wrong.

Not Polish gays, not Poles for helping Jews.

Poles.

Hitler authorized his commanders, with these infamous words, to kill "without pity or mercy, all men, women, and children of Polish descent or language. Only in this way can we obtain the living space [lebensraum] we need"
yehudi  1 | 433  
12 Feb 2009 /  #66
Hey here is a good idea why don't you become national partisans instead of bandits that live for their own greedy ass, and villages will co-operate and support you.

I'll try to be fair and balanced here:

Because polish partisans had a different agenda. Their families were still in their villages and could give them support. The families of the Jews were mostly dead and so they had no support from anyone. Those families who were alive had to hide with the Jewish partisans in the forests. The Polish partisans did not want to risk their struggle and their lives by undertaking the protection of thousands of civilians who could not fight. The Jewish partisans protected old people and children in the forests. Also, Polish partisans would not accept armed Jews among them and stole their weapons. So for the sake of survival, Jewish partisans had to go it alone and they were opposed and sometimes betrayed by AK partisans. The Soviets usually supported the Jewish partisans and for the sake of survival jews accepted that support.

The only way Jews could survive in the forest was to make sure that the local Poles were too terrified to betray them.
jonni  16 | 2475  
12 Feb 2009 /  #67
Not Polish gays, not Poles for helping Jews.

Poles.

Yes and no. There are no statistics about the number of Polish citizens killed for being homosexual during the holocaust - remember it wasn't illegal in pre-war Poland, and at leasr one gay bar remained open in Warsaw during the war. The only reliable statistic is that up to 55000 German and French citizens were killed for being gay. Europe-wide, 100000 is commonly quoted.

As for the film Defiance, nobody but an idiot expects Hollywood to be accurate. Remamber Braveheart and just about any film touching on the struggle for Irish independence.
Piorun  - | 655  
12 Feb 2009 /  #68
The only way Jews could survive in the forest was to make sure that the local Poles were too terrified to betray them.

BS and you know it; you’re spreading it thick here. It’s just a simple way to justify your cooperation with the commies without admitting the fact that this kind of ideology appealed to you and your people, you supported this movement even if it meant the end of Poland. There was no sense of loyalty on your part to Poland whatsoever even though it was your home for hundreds of years. You still use this excuse and tactic of terror against Palestinian people today. Just so you can understand my point of view here it is; when any given number of Jews is killed it’s called “Pogrom”, but when Jewish partisans massacre entire villages or Jews kill 1000’s of Palestinians it’s called survival, BS and you know it.

Polish partisans would not accept armed Jews among them and stole their weapons.

Who’s to say you did not steal those weapons? (If something is stolen it’s a Pole that did it) nice deduction there Sherlock, scary thing is that you actually believe your own lies. It couldn’t be that they were simply bad people, bandits, because partisans they were not. As I have wrote about it a year ago on this very subject, Bielski brothers were just a bunch of bandits and the youngest of the bunch is still up to his old tricks. In 2007 he has been accused of robbing an elderly Polish woman out of her life savings, a Holocaust survivor herself but Catholic. This happened in Florida, and he goes by the name of Aron Bell (aka Bielski). You can read all about it in Haaretz if you like. But why would you mention this fact and ruined the image of nice Jewish hero, after all there is so few of them.

PS. Come up with some new excuses, these are getting pretty old.
OP PolskaMan  2 | 147  
12 Feb 2009 /  #69
yehudi: The only way Jews could survive in the forest was to make sure that the local Poles were too terrified to betray them.

Maybe thats why we didnt let them amoung us and stole there weapons?

Yehudi just shut up Piorun isnt telling us no bs you are!
joepilsudski  26 | 1387  
13 Feb 2009 /  #70
I post this link FYI, although it is not directly related to the Bielski brothers film....From Los Angeles Times columnist Joel Stein:

latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-stein19-2008dec19,0,6620255.column

Again text link editor does not seem to work properly.

An excerpt:
How Jewish is Hollywood?

A poll finds more Americans disagree with the statement that 'Jews control Hollywood.' But here's one Jew who doesn't.
Joel Stein

December 19, 2008

I have never been so upset by a poll in my life. Only 22% of Americans now believe "the movie and television industries are pretty much run by Jews," down from nearly 50% in 1964. The Anti-Defamation League, which released the poll results last month, sees in these numbers a victory against stereotyping. Actually, it just shows how dumb America has gotten. Jews totally run Hollywood.

How deeply Jewish is Hollywood? When the studio chiefs took out a full-page ad in the Los Angeles Times a few weeks ago to demand that the Screen Actors Guild settle its contract, the open letter was signed by: News Corp. President Peter Chernin (Jewish), Paramount Pictures Chairman Brad Grey (Jewish), Walt Disney Co. Chief Executive Robert Iger (Jewish), Sony Pictures Chairman Michael Lynton (surprise, Dutch Jew), Warner Bros. Chairman Barry Meyer (Jewish), CBS Corp. Chief Executive Leslie Moonves (so Jewish his great uncle was the first prime minister of Israel), MGM Chairman Harry Sloan (Jewish) and NBC Universal Chief Executive Jeff Zucker (mega-Jewish). If either of the Weinstein brothers had signed, this group would have not only the power to shut down all film production but to form a minyan with enough Fiji water on hand to fill a mikvah.

The person they were yelling at in that ad was SAG President Alan Rosenberg (take a guess). The scathing rebuttal to the ad was written by entertainment super-agent Ari Emanuel (Jew with Israeli parents) on the Huffington Post, which is owned by Arianna Huffington (not Jewish and has never worked in Hollywood.)

The Jews are so dominant, I had to scour the trades to come up with six Gentiles in high positions at entertainment companies. When I called them to talk about their incredible advancement, five of them refused to talk to me, apparently out of fear of insulting Jews. The sixth, AMC President Charlie Collier, turned out to be Jewish.
LAGirl  9 | 496  
13 Feb 2009 /  #71
We have to face it Jews run the world and will always run the world...
joepilsudski  26 | 1387  
13 Feb 2009 /  #72
No, according to the Bible the 'prince of this world' is the Devil, so they would work for him!...But, you know, just keep the old devil out of Poland, if possible...He is very busy in the US right now, anyway, so you have time to prepare...I believe he was in Poland from 1939 0r so until the late 50s.
yehudi  1 | 433  
15 Feb 2009 /  #73
Last night I finally saw the movie "Defiance". To tell you the truth, the movie didn't portray the Bielskis as saints. It was clearly shown that they were sometimes brutal. It also made it clear that being brutal was often the only way to survive, and that it wasn't their own personal survival that drove them but the responsibility for hundreds of non-combatants. The movie also shows the russians as a lot less than noble. The movie also showed a polish farmer helping jews and losing his life for it. There were other poles (or were they Belarussians?) that betrayed jews. These things clearly happened too. So I don't know what the complaining is about.
Trevek  25 | 1699  
15 Feb 2009 /  #74
Am I correct in thinking Poland was the only occupied country where it was a punishable by death to hide/aid a Jewish fugitive?

I think there's a problem with talking about "Polish resistance" because ther were several diffrnt groups, as well as Bialorussian, Ukranian, Lithuanian resistance who were also fighting. As the book "Nine Lives" by Waldemar Lotnik shows, half the time these groups spent fighting each other rather than the Nazis/Soviets.

Then it is worth considering the fear of the villagers. maybe they refused to help the Bielskis' but what would have happened to them if they had been found by the Soviets to have helped them... pretty much the same thing, I imagine. Talk about being between a rock and a hard place.
Wroclaw Boy  
15 Feb 2009 /  #75
It was clearly shown that they were sometimes brutal.

They certainly are brutal business men, the worst ive ever known.
yehudi  1 | 433  
15 Feb 2009 /  #76
No kidding! You did business with the Bielskis? They had a trucking business in the US after the war.
Wroclaw Boy  
15 Feb 2009 /  #77
No, I meant Jewish people. Ruthless business men in general.
yehudi  1 | 433  
15 Feb 2009 /  #78
I personally try to be as ruthless as possible.
Sokrates  8 | 3335  
15 Feb 2009 /  #79
So I don't know what the complaining is about.

The movie never mentioned any of the massacres they did, the men were basically genocidal maniacs and did it on a religious/ethnic basis ( Jews targetting Poles for being polish ).

Imagine you make a positive movie about an einsatzgruppen, they were no better than nazis.
Wroclaw Boy  
15 Feb 2009 /  #80
I personally try to be as ruthless as possible.

and you are a Jew yes? Thats why you people are percieved as white scum of the Earth.

Im not racist i just dont particularly care for Jews or Pakis.
Seanus  15 | 19666  
15 Feb 2009 /  #81
Or Poles for that matter. Let me guess, you don't like the Scots either, WB!? I don't mind Jews at all. It's the Zionists that are OTT.
yehudi  1 | 433  
15 Feb 2009 /  #82
Im not racist i just dont particularly care for Jews or Pakis.

What are you if not racist? If you're not racist, the pope isn't catholic.
Wroclaw Boy  
15 Feb 2009 /  #83
What are you if not racist? If you're not racist,

As i said Dudeikow im not racist i just dont really like Pakis or Jews much based on my personal experiences thats all. If you want to categorise me as a racist based on that fair enough.
yehudi  1 | 433  
15 Feb 2009 /  #84
Well what the hell is racism if not hating a whole ethnic group? If I hated all Poles that would make me a racist. But I don't. So I'm not.

What do you have against "Pakis" by the way?
Seanus  15 | 19666  
15 Feb 2009 /  #85
WB said that you guys were perceived as the white scum of the earth, he didn't say that it was his opinion, now did he?

He also said that he didn't care for Jews and Pakis. Experience has likely taught him that but that doesn't mean that he is racist. Not caring for a race and systematically laying into them for their racial traits and beliefs are 2 different things.
Wroclaw Boy  
15 Feb 2009 /  #86
What do you have against "Pakis" by the way?

Certain Pakistani individuals try to blow up key British targets, thats basically it.

Jews are quitley racist against everything and everyone except Jews the biggest ethnic group of racists on the planet.

Thats a joke right, Jews marry Jews, Jews stick together more than any other ethnic group. There not even ethnic there whole race is based on religion. When are you guys going to realise that religion is false.

Do you want a pork chop mate?
Seanus  15 | 19666  
15 Feb 2009 /  #87
And the fact that they harbour the Taliban. How tough can the Taliban be? It seems like a big hoax.
Randal  1 | 577  
15 Feb 2009 /  #88
Many Polonians are disgruntled over the film. Some see it as a deliberate attempt to distort history and glamourise Jewish anti-Polonism. Haven't seen the film so I'm only relaying some of the remarks that have come my way. Sad to say, there were acts of anti-Semitism and instances of Polish collaboration with the Nazis, because war is hell and survival is the sole aim of most everyone. But there was also widespread anti-Polish Jewish collabroation with the Soivets which led to the jailing, killing and exiling of hundreds of thosduands of Poels. Also direct acts of perfidy such as self-styled Jewish red militias shooting Polish soldiers in the back. That aspect of the war has been conveniently hushed up or glossed over.

Great post.

No one should believe anything they see come out of Hollywood. The lying Liberals there who rule that intellectually dishonest and morally corrupt place insert their one-sided political messaging into everything they produce anymore.

They long ago abandoned any semblance of honor or balance or fairness or pure entertainment for “entertainment” sake. Instead their every offering is designed as a vehicle to serve an underhanded agenda of manipulating perceptions.

In this same way they have hijacked our News Media to the point where we can no longer trust or believe the simplest “news” story. Liberals abuse and corrupt to being worthless everything they get their hands on. Their warped ideology void of morals deliverd via movies and TV and “news” has caused untold harm to society.

In America now Hollywood folks are roundly dismissed as snobby, rich radical Liberal kooks, out-of-touch elitists who are incapable of running their own lives properly and yet they ever attempt to dictate to the world how they feel others should think and how things should be. Why would anyone listen to such people?

Stop giving these sneaky lowlife liars your hard-earned money. Spend it on some other form of unpolluted entertainment.
yehudi  1 | 433  
16 Feb 2009 /  #89
Wow! You really hate hollywood don't you. I never realized how much poland's reputation depended on the help of Hollywood. I thought it depended on Poland.
Randal  1 | 577  
16 Feb 2009 /  #90
Wow! You really hate hollywood don't you.

Yes I do!
I am all for difference of opinions and spirited debate but that is not what we get from filthy Libs anymore. No longer is it a mere difference of opinion, Right and Left, but rather it has become a battle between the Right vs. the sneaky underhanded Liars. And such abuse and dishonesty designed to manipulate public perception for political ends I cannot tolerate.

Disagree with me. Call me a ****** if you must, but don’t f-ing lie to me or I’ll cut you!

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