Aggressive Germans pushed out pre-Poles

Forerunners of today's Slavonic Poles stretched all the way to the River £aba
Elbe), but those largely pacific, non-bellicose tribes of farmers, hunters and gatherers were brutally rolled back by the aggressive, greedy and blood-thristy Krauts. The Polabians, whose name means their land stretched to the Elbe (po £abę), are proof of that. The same goes for the Pomeranians whose name means they lived along the sea (po morze). The German Pommern is merely a translation from the early Slavonic. The names of many localities in Germany east of the Elbe including Zittau (Żitawa) clearly reveal their proto-Polish non-Germanic roots.

Erm....guess who was there BEFORE the aggressive slavs pushed west???

Germanic tribes (750BC-1AD)



PS: You should really try to get some supporting links for your "opinions"...it get's tiring!

nonsense


Polonius3 is right. Very right

region was since time immemorial populated by Slavs (Proto-Slavic culture before that) with naturalexpansion of Danubian cultural area, from Balkan to West, North and East: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danubian_culture


Key that time culture (sub-culture of Danubian cultural area) in the region was Lusatian culture... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lusatian_culture




A simplified map of the central European cultures, ca 1200 BC. The purple area is the Lusatian culture,...

Oooh! A map war between BB and Crow!
It has been a while since we had one of those!

Just remember Vrana, Germans are simply Slavs that abandoned Slavic ways! *grins*

he does not have any chance

I would beat him here for all the Slavs

Poles and all other Slavs are on their own from the `beggining of time`, much before Germans even appeared on historical horizon! I chalanage him to prove opposite!!!!


sure. Even pidgeon knows that, not to mention raven or crow

:)

Who cares who was the first if the Jews ruled these tribes anyway?? :)

Lesser, you really know how to "stir it up"! :)

Crow is still fighting the Whites against whites fight...still trying to split and antagonize our people, still living in the past...let him be, i'm not interested anymore!

True must be said. :)


Whom should "we" fight in your opinion?

Anyone who undermines the unity of "us"...

In america, germs vs. poles is looked as a very stupid topic. Its outdated prejudice. Over here on the big island, the 2 nationalities stick together, very well, closer then any others might I add. Every german or polish restraunt or bar I go to, has a good mix of polish and german people, most of my friends are both, I am too. I know some full blooded germans, that love polish places, and full blooded poles, that love german places.

I also noticed, that alot of far west polish people, have german decent. From family members long ago, because of the area. And those are the prettiest girls I have seen, being from that area.

If fighting like this keeps up, im afraid that the area from east of Berlin-Poznan will divide itself, then you have another tiny europe country, and for what? Maybe they will call themselves Polmans, or Germish... Haha

What should "we" do to Crow?

Ignore him?

No, this would be too reasonable and 'we' are not reasonable at all. What should 'we' do then?

Well... "Join or be conquered", is the law of the land. From what it looks like, the Germans used that motto quite offen! :) ;)

Germans are aggressive, we know that, history has showed the tribes of Germania had fighting spirit. Back in those days you fought for everything, food, freedom, a place to sleep, etc. Then people wonder why and how the Germans have done everything, they have accomplished so much.

And to answer the question who was where 1st, you would have to know who was who 1st. And that is not an easy answer.

its the Germans who betrayed white`s man heritage and vulgarized it, not me, not the Slavs. Take just for example `story about Aryans`. Not only that Germans stolen Slavic heritage, inventing myth that Germans were/are of Aryan origin but they harmed memory on them and hijacked their symbolism. Just look what happened with Swastika, ancient symbol of old European (and Eurasian) natives of agrarian culture (read Proto-Slavic culture).

Aryans were not invaders but they were peace loving farmers. They fought only when were attacked. Even when history marked them as attackers, around Ind River, domicile Indian population remembered Aryans as people who presented knowledge of their advanced civilization to black Indians.

Agreed...but that time is over and Germany tries her best to mend fences and to makes sure that no war will devastate Europe again.

You should be part of it and not working on splitting!

We can further cherish and cultivate old grievances or we can together
stand up to today's and tomorrows challenges...what will it be?

Im not sure about alot of what you said. But the germans also used symbols from the Vikings aswell, like the odin rune. But what you said is true about the Swastika-Hakkenkruez. A white person cannot get that as a tatoo, and be "ok" like everyone else. They are immediatly labeled many things and being watched. When some people just want it because its a symbol to be proud of, where your from, not because it means hate. But for some its the opposite. But aswell, I dont blame the 3rd reich for disgracing it, I blame the media and modern propaganda. And some people who use it in the wrong way...

and then they bombed Belgrade, do you really think that Crow missed this little event? :)

It was hardly Germany against Serbia...and he forgets to quickly and conveniently how it came to that!

Crow must be married off to a nice german girl, so they can have a big pan-slavic-germanic family. Then they can settle in Lusatia and live happily ever after, just like the storks.

Shopski has always the best ideas! *beams*

We had a discussion about that some time back here on PF. We discussed how very old this symbol was and how it has been found in many ancient cultures (for example I had pointed out that the swastika can even be found woven into the designs of old Navajo Blankets in the southwest us).

But I understand what you mean....once a negative connotation gets attached to something, it's essence seems to only be regarded by the public in terms of the negative meaning.

There are many neo pagans who follow Odin and Norse teachings who have NOTHING to do with neo nazis. But you only have to have one neo nazi group endorse a neo pagan group, and it ruins the image for the true members!

This is better proposal, I admit. The problem here is that all nice German girls are of Slavic origin. If Crow would marry one, I think he would consider her rescued from the hands of villains.

He!

Actually, since Crow is a red head, I would like to propose that he is actually a descendant of the Celtic Boii tribe, and really should be considered a long lost IRISH.

Ha!

Did you hear that Crow??? :)

Thats like my aunt, her family is from Norway, came over before ww2, they have a Norse chest (I have one from Poland, 10 ft. away from me), anyways, in the chest is a quilt, the ones they make in europe, with squares and different designs on it, one of the patters is a Swastika! The blinket is filled with them...Very cool

And could you imagine if I put a bright red and black swastika up for my avaitar? Id prolly be banned for life. I getting he11 about the iron cross, me and BB had a discussion about that.

YEP!

Actually BB once had an Iron Cross avatar, and yes he took a lot of heat for it. (but I like the hammer better anyway)

I should change mine to my Raven pendant, wanna see it? It is a replica of the ravens on the four corners of the Bamberg Casket. It is sooooo cool! I love ravens. Corvids are amazingly smart birds....

Here's my pendant....

We need opinion of the specialist. Southern where are you?!

Nice. Yea I like the Hammer too. I have a cool one with a viking face in the middle of it but this site is so wierd with avatar pics.

But I kind of like the pic you have now, it reminds me of the hot blond chick that played in Conan with Arnold Schwarzenegger. Looks midevil, enchanting.