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Has anyone taken Genealogy DNA tests?


shewolf 5 | 1,077  
20 Mar 2007 /  #1
Has anyone who is Polish taken any of the genealogy DNA tests that are out there? What were your results?
hello 22 | 891  
20 Mar 2007 /  #2
Why do people do DNA tests?
OP shewolf 5 | 1,077  
20 Mar 2007 /  #3
To find out their ancestry, or ancestral origins.
North Pole  
20 Mar 2007 /  #4
What were your results?

And why do you need this information? You know, this could show variety of results, especialy in this part of Europe. I am part german myself, but I am 100% a Pole.
hello 22 | 891  
20 Mar 2007 /  #5
OK, but is it very accurate?
OP shewolf 5 | 1,077  
20 Mar 2007 /  #6
That's what I'm interested in knowing. I wonder if anyone has had a postive experience with this.

And why do you need this information? You know, this could show variety of results, especialy in this part of Europe. I am part german myself, but I am 100% a Pole.

I suppose people would not want to admit it if they got results that were from an entirely different part of the world. :)

What does it mean? Now I am curious too.

I've read of people finding out that their DNA is African or just something they never imagined and they are very upset about it. I wonder if anyone has taken a test like that and their results have matched their ancestry.
Wroclaw 44 | 5,387  
20 Mar 2007 /  #7
Many people taking a DNA test might find an influence from an unexpected source, but it won't prove who your G-G-Grandparents were because you'd need their DNA for a match.

Another problem with Genealogy is that you can almost never prove who the father of a child is. I'm talking about in the past.

Genealogy for most people is a paper trail of what others said was true at the time.

If you take a DNA test you might find out too much too soon. It would be heartbreaking to find that someone as close as a parent or sibling is actually not related to you.

If you take the test. Make sure that they only give you the results which are relevant to your original question.
North Pole  
20 Mar 2007 /  #8
I wonder if anyone has taken a test like that and their results have matched their ancestry

From what you say, I assume that you search for clear answer. But what, when there isn`t any? I don`t say that you can`t find ancestors through DNA examination, but it really matters? Listen to your hart.
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699  
20 Mar 2007 /  #9
Has anyone who is Polish taken any of the genealogy DNA tests that are out there? What were your results?

I plan to soon, just havent got around to ordering it yet.

I assume that you search for clear answer.

no, there will never be a totally clear answer, but people do it to see where their
original ancestors started, be it africa, europe, asia etc.

me personally, I am polish, if I was to find out something different, and my orgins
started in africa, its not going to change what I know now.

The truely amazing part of it all is going backwards and finding those who survived
thru it all, endured and here we are today.

who was that masked man in 966 A.D who came to visit my GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG Grandmother?

:)
Varsovian 92 | 634  
21 Mar 2007 /  #10
North Pole - I've never listened to a hart, a stag or any other jelen!

No-one knows much about their ancestors of 15 000 years ago. At that remove you find Poles related to Syrians.
30 000 years back and you find Poles related to Native Americans.
Y chromosome history ties you into your last couple of thousand years' history, which is probably easier for people to comprehend.
I wonder if it matters - it probably does. But does it matter to the extent of EUR 250 or whatever it costs?
Hmm, I'll listen to my koziolek.
North Pole  
21 Mar 2007 /  #11
hart

Just a typo, buddy. Heart. And I was drunk.
Varsovian 92 | 634  
21 Mar 2007 /  #12
I've often dropped the last "s" from assess ...
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699  
21 Mar 2007 /  #13
ahhhhh silly silly you are varsovian. my purpose is to get actual documentation
which they can test two people ( current) people and show we are related.

these would be possible family in another state that we made plans on doing this
with, I am having my brother and one male same last name do it.

this I was told is possible. I cant find the paper trail as to many idiots burned all the
good stuff during wars and such. so I have to do the dna linkage to at least
show something. besides we all talk ( this other family) and me, and believe
we are (some of the family photos are uncanny) look alikes. I dont think its a waste
to do that. least I can confirm it and add them in my book.
Varsovian 92 | 634  
21 Mar 2007 /  #14
But don't you think it's more worthwhile to concentrate on your known family than to run around wasting time trying to contact people you ar eat best distantly related to?

I find it hard enough, and very time-consuming, with my own family.
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699  
21 Mar 2007 /  #15
I find it hard enough, and very time-consuming, with my own family.

yes, I agree, my family (close) is rather small given so many have passed.

its very hard to keep up with some of the closer relatives. most all of mine
that used to visit are all gone, my cousins, we talk, but they have busy lives to
when I started my family history, I knew nothing of the relatives we had that
were lost over the years due to no contacting, moves etc.

these are folks that knew me as a child, I knew nothing of them. it felt good to
talk about my parents, grandparents that some of them knew that I never knew.

I guess it depends on what you are after. mine was just knowing there is more
to my family then what is seen. growing up, we werent close to everyone, select
few visited, after a while we hardly seen anyone.

at my moms funeral, a majority of family, proposed family, and friends I met along the
way came to her viewing. the support was tremendous. had they not been in my life
and came, very few small number of family would have came, this would have made
me extremely saddened because she (mom) was a gracious woman who touched
many lives, and although she didnt go visit much later in life, all these other relatives
who knew her long time ago, wouldnt have come because they werent notified.

my brothers both thought that there was hardly family left, but when they seen all
those who came and knew out mother, they were very glad that I had connected our
families back since. so yes this does have a impact on me, and my children I say to
them family does matter, you dont have to see them every day, but keep in contact
and let them know how you are doing as well as ask how they are doing. a small
note every now and then goes a long ways.

And working in the health care, you see many older geriatric patients come and
they are very sick , no family comes to see them, and it breaks my heart.
none of its silly, because those who I connect with might be the only one left and if
I can be there for them I will.

on one of my posts " no patient dies alone" my cousin, whom I work with, I found her
via a death cert that I had found in my city with my dads last name as her mothers
maiden name. I contacted her nephew who gave me her number, she and her sister
are the only two surviving cousins of my dad. why would I deprive myself of such
a wonderful cousin as well as a beautiful person she is. and we now are like family
that never lost touch. that is why.
Peter 3 | 247  
4 Apr 2007 /  #16
Has anyone who is Polish taken any of the genealogy DNA tests that are out there? What were your results?

I came across this recently and was tempted but have not made up my mind. Since my father and grandfather were only children and my great grandfather was the only male child, all my relatives in my fathers line are distant cousins. Our family surname is quite rare so it is possible that other persons who have the same surname but are from regions other than that known to be my family's, may be related....................but I would have to use a DNA test to be sure.
OP shewolf 5 | 1,077  
4 Apr 2007 /  #17
I think Polish people are concerned that if they take a DNA test it will reveal something other than Polish. But my own test matched me up with Northern Poland and Belorussians.
ArturSzastak 3 | 593  
4 Apr 2007 /  #18
Yeah. It's weird thinking you might not be Polish :(

Kinda scary.......
witek 1 | 587  
4 Apr 2007 /  #19
if you go to the National Geographic website then you will find they do DNA tests:)

i am scared to do it :) as i love to "handlowac", "kupic i sprzedac" (buy and sell) which i was born with in my blood. My grandfather used to say " 10 minutes of trade is worth more than 10 hours of hard work":)

i am scared to find out that my surname might be Goldberg :)
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699  
4 Apr 2007 /  #20
i am scared to find out that my surname might be Goldberg

lol. they dont find that out lol.
witek 1 | 587  
4 Apr 2007 /  #21
Patrycja,

I was using the Goldberg to mean a Jewish surname in general :)

Hence i am aprehensive in finding out i might be Jewish:)
OP shewolf 5 | 1,077  
4 Apr 2007 /  #22
Hence i am aprehensive in finding out i might be Jewish

I don't think you would be able to tell if you're Jewish from the DNA tests. People who suspect they have Jewish ancestry are frustrated because they can't prove it, because there's no single type of DNA among the Jewish people.
witek 1 | 587  
4 Apr 2007 /  #23
Shewolf,

Lets start with Poles they have predominatley Halogroup R1a1 (Y-DNA)

In human genetics, Haplogroup R1a1 (M17) is a Y-chromosome haplogroup that is spread across Eurasia.

It is common in Europe, Central Asia, and South Asia. High R1a1 frequencies are detected in populations of Ishkashimi (68%), Tajiks (64%), and Kyrgyz (63%).[1][2] In Europe, the highest frequencies are found in Central and Eastern Europe. Today it is found at its highest levels in Hungary (60%, 20%), Poland (56%), Ukraine (54%[3] or 44%), and Russia, where one out of two men has this haplogroup. Relatively high frequencies are also found in Northern Europe (the largest being 23% in Iceland).

The gene has proven to be a diagnostic Indo-Iranian marker[4] and is believed to have lifted on people who left a clear pattern of archaeological remains known as the Kurgan culture, generally identified as early Indo-Europeans, and later by the Vikings,[5] which accounts for the existence of it in, among other places, the British Isles[6][7] Lower frequencies of R1a1 are found among populations of West Asia. Iran appears to have had little genetic influence from the R1a1-carrying Indo-Iranians,[8] attributed to language replacement through the "elite-dominance" model.

The R1a1 is a specific sequence of nucleotides in Y Male chromosome. A single mutation, in one male, who carried R1, occurred in one time. All men who have now R1a1 are direct straight line descendants of that ancestor, R1a1 originator. When other genes cross over the genome genetic composition may be quite different and only the Y chromosome will mark one road. Bryan Sykes in his book Blood of the Isles gives the populations associated with R1a in Europe the name of Sigurd for a clan patriarch, much as he did for mitochondrial haplogroups in his work The Seven Daughters of Eve.

Maybe its possible to have DNA show if your Jewish or not?

In an ethnic sense, an Ashkenazi Jew is one whose ancestry can be traced to the Jews of central and eastern Europe. For roughly a thousand years, the Ashkenazi Jews were a reproductively isolated population in Europe, despite living in many countries, with little inflow or outflow from migration, conversion, or intermarriage with other groups, including other Jews. Human geneticists have identified genetic variations that have high frequencies among Ashkenazi Jews, but not in the general European population. This is more true for patrilineal markers (Y-chromosome haplotypes) than for matrilineal markers (mitochondrial haplotypes).
OP shewolf 5 | 1,077  
5 Apr 2007 /  #24
Lets start with Poles they have predominatley Halogroup R1a1 (Y-DNA)

That's interesting. Do you know anything about Polish mtDNA? Is there a dominant haplogroup?
witek 1 | 587  
5 Apr 2007 /  #25
Different regional populations from Poland were studied in order to assess the genetic heterogeneity within Poland, investigate the genetic relationships with other European populations and provide a population-specific reference database for anthropological and forensic studies. Nine Y-chromosomal microsatellites were analysed in a total of 919 unrelated males from six regions of Poland and in 1,273 male individuals from nine other European populations. AMOVA revealed that all of the molecular variation in the Polish dataset is due to variation within populations, and no variation was detected among populations of different regions of Poland. However, in the non-Polish European dataset 9.3% (P<0.0001) of the total variation was due to differences among populations. Consequently, differences in RST-values between all possible pairs of Polish populations were not statistically significant, whereas significant differences were observed in nearly all comparisons of Polish and non-Polish European populations. Phylogenetic analyses demonstrated tight clustering of Polish populations separated from non-Polish groups. Population clustering based on Y-STR haplotypes generally correlates well with the geography and history of the region. Thus, our data are consistent with the assumption of homogeneity of present-day paternal lineages within Poland and their distinctiveness from other parts of Europe, at least in respect to their Y-STR haplotypes.
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699  
5 Apr 2007 /  #26
:)

witek,

I do have a great respect for you.

A>M>A>Z>I>N>G.
witek 1 | 587  
5 Apr 2007 /  #27
This is pretty interesting,

Polish, Hungarian, two good friends is the short form of the popular bilingual proverbial rhyme about the historical friendship of the Polish and the Hungarian people.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole,_Hungarian,_two_good_friends

Polish Haplogroup is R1a

Haplogroup R1a is believed
to have originated in the Eurasian Steppes north of the Black and
Caspian Seas. This lineage is believed to have originated in a
population of the Kurgan culture, known for the domestication of the
horse (approximately 3000 B.C.E.). These people were also believed to
be the first speakers of the Indo-European language group. This lineage
is currently found in central and western Asia, India, and in Slavic
populations of Eastern Europe
DaveInCal - | 23  
5 Apr 2007 /  #28
That is so cool! Thanks, Witek, I'm so glad to know that. Some day I'll get my genetic test done to see if I have R1a, too.
OP shewolf 5 | 1,077  
5 Apr 2007 /  #29
Polish Haplogroup is R1a

What about the maternal lines? Isn't R1a paternal?
witek 1 | 587  
5 Apr 2007 /  #30
According to Bennett Greenspan of Family Tree DNA, which is analyzing data for the project, the Y chromosome had a genetic profile, or haplotype, called R1a, which is believed to have originated in Northern India and Pakistan some 30,000 years ago.

Wells said information about the migrations will become more detailed as more people participate in the project, contributing their own genetic history. Kits may be ordered at: nationalgeographic.com.

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