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STEFAN RYBINSKI- ARRIVED NEW YORK 1910 - CAN YOU HELP


caprice49 4 | 224  
7 Aug 2009 /  #1
My family are trying to trace descendants of Stefan Rybinski who came from Lisia Gora in Poland to New York on 16th January 1910 via Bremen on ship Prinz Friederich Wilhelm. I found the ships manifest on ellisisland.org and he is 5th on the list. The ship's manifest provides the address where he would be staying. Can anyone decipher the address or even surname? He was my father's uncle. It would be nice to trace any descendents.
maksym 2 | 47  
9 Aug 2009 /  #2
The city & state are hard to read on the page which shows up when you click on manifest image(this is actually page 2 of the manifest)

When you click on previous page(which is page 1 of the manifest) it's still difficult to read, but if you scroll down, there is a line where the person had written Ill Chicago, and Ill is written the same for Stefan, so the state is for sure Illinois. To me it looks like:

??? 2nd St E. St. Louis Ill

As far as the Surname on page two(who Stefan was going to stay with) it is

Stanislaw ..iewicz
plk123 8 | 4,150  
9 Aug 2009 /  #3
you could at least directly link to that manifest.. i don't feel like going through that website looking for your peeps.
maksym 2 | 47  
9 Aug 2009 /  #4
Ok.

Anyway, I did a town name search for lisia Gora and 1 match for a passenger with a surname ending in iewicz was the surname Ksiazkiewicz
OP caprice49 4 | 224  
10 Aug 2009 /  #5
you could at least directly link to that manifest.. i don't feel like going through that website looking for your peeps.

Sorry but I'm new at this. It looks like maksym has made some progress.

Anyway, I did a town name search for lisia Gora and 1 match for a passenger with a surname ending in iewicz was the surname Ksiazkiewicz

Thank you so much. The surname Ksiazkiewicz is something to go on. We believe we have family in the USA - and boy are they in for a surprise - bus loads of us in Europe. I found the ship's manifest purely by chance. I was helping someone else. Stefan seems to have disappeared into the woodwork. My family believed he had gone to Chicago but so far I've not found anything there.

When you click on previous page(which is page 1 of the manifest) it's still difficult to read, but if you scroll down, there is a line where the person had written Ill Chicago, and Ill is written the same for Stefan, so the state is for sure Illinois. To me it looks like:

I've now found that a Stephen Rybinski born in 1883 died in Maryland - Social security Number given. Could be him! How does one go about checking that! Sorry but being on the other side of the Poland such things are a mystery here. Ideas are welcomed.
maksym 2 | 47  
10 Aug 2009 /  #6
I found a World War 2 draft card image for Stephen Rybinski from Baltimore Maryland

Found it here:

search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html

Once there you have to go to image number 24
Wroclaw 44 | 5,387  
10 Aug 2009 /  #7
Once there you have to go to image number 24

colour of eyes, height, weight and a scar. all good info that brings one closer to the person. i find his signature odd. it's almost child like. place of birth is important too of course. a good find.
OP caprice49 4 | 224  
11 Aug 2009 /  #8
maksym
Oh my! At first I couldn't access it. Could this really be him!! Birth year is right! I'm still trying to establish day and month. Could he have changed his first name from Stefan to Stephen without hassle. The village name is Ostrów which is near Tarnów, so this makes me think Stefan & Stephen is one and the same as my grandmother came from Lisia Góra. Baltimore beckons!

colour of eyes, height, weight and a scar. all good info that brings one closer to the person. i find his signature odd. it's almost child like

In those days, if they came from a big family the eldest left school around the age of 14 to support the rest of the family. That would explain the childlike writing, though of course don't really know. The part of Poland where Stephen came from was Austria when he was born and I remember my father talking about terrible poverty. So many Poles emigrated to the States as life was very difficult. Polish was a forbidden language and so many things the Poles weren't allowed to do.

Stephen Rybinski

Sorry is there anyway of checking the date of birth of Stefan Rybinski who was on the ship in 1910. Theoretically, Stefan & Stephen are the same but only because of the year of birth.
maksym 2 | 47  
12 Aug 2009 /  #9
There's no way to confirm exact date of birth from a ship manifest. I understand your dilema...trying to confirm that the Stephan Rybinski from Baltimore is the same person listed as Stefan Rybinski on the 1910 manifest.

Here's a thought: If Stephan Rybinski from Baltimore ever became a naturalized US citizen, then his Petition For Naturalization(which would have been filed first) would list on what date he entered the US, and what ship he traveled on.
OP caprice49 4 | 224  
13 Aug 2009 /  #10
If Stephan Rybinski from Baltimore ever became a naturalized US citizen

Thanks for your help. I will check into it. I simply don't want to approach the family until I'm sure. Year of birth being the same seems a big coincidence, but would like to be sure. In the ship's manifest it shows that Stefan came because his brother was ill - but

so did others. But I have learnt that Stefan did have a brother. I found in 1906 there was an Alexander (Aleksander) who came the same route, but by the age given he would have been a twin and am now trying to establish if that was the case. So near and yet so far.
maksym 2 | 47  
13 Aug 2009 /  #11
Caprice49,

I took another look at page 2 of the manifest. Stefan didn't come because his brother was ill.
This part of the manifest asks where the immigrants destination is in USA, and the immigrants relationship to the person listed at this adress.

For the 2 persons arriving with Stefan- it reads "brother il" which is ..Brother-in-law

For Stefan- it reads "acqu"..which I believe to be ..acquaintance



OP caprice49 4 | 224  
14 Aug 2009 /  #12
If Stephan Rybinski from Baltimore ever became a naturalized US citizen,

Many many thanks for your input. You're a star!! But am I correct in thinking he would only have been drafted into the army if he was a naturalized US citizen? As papers suggest he was drafted in 1941 so where does one look?

The brother-in-law bit that is doubtful, more like an excuse. I am however certain that's him on the manifest.
Thanks for being so helpful. The family has been searching since WW1 and I only took this up again when I accidently found the manifest whilst helping someone else on this site. It's now become a mission.
maksym 2 | 47  
14 Aug 2009 /  #13
But am I correct in thinking he would only have been drafted into the army if he was a naturalized US citizen? As papers suggest he was drafted in 1941 so where does one look?

The draft card is actually a draft registration card. He registered, but didn't serve. This was a draft registration for men born after 1877, and before 1897. It is more commonly called "The old man's draft registration"

If, in the event that the older men were needed for the war, the names, and information would be available for a call up for service.
OP caprice49 4 | 224  
14 Aug 2009 /  #14
[quote=maksym]The draft card is actually a draft registration card. He registered, but didn't serve.[/quote
Potentially that excludes military records. I've found a trace which suggests naturalization in 1920. Where can I look for naturalization docs. Sorry to be a bother.
maksym 2 | 47  
14 Aug 2009 /  #15
Sorry to be a bother

No problem,

Here is a link for naturalization: home.att.net/~wee-monster/naturalization.html
OP caprice49 4 | 224  
15 Aug 2009 /  #16
Here is a link for naturalizations

Many thanks again. I'll let you know the outcome - if ever...

Aug 17, 09, 20:10 - Thread attached on merging:
STEPHEN RYBINSKI - BORN 1883 IN POLAND - DIED IN BALTIMORE 1963 - ANY DESCENDANT

I'm searching for the Stephen's descandants. Can anyone help?

trying to confirm that the Stephan Rybinski

Well, I'm at the end of the road on this one. Stephan Rybinski had changed his from Szczepan Ryba in 1932 according to records

How can anyone just disappear to thin air? The family knows he went to Chicago and lost contact with him before WW2. Does anyone out there know where the majority of Poles found work in Chicago in early 20th century? I'm at loss where to look, but somewhere across the Poland there are relatives. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
TheOther 6 | 3,818  
22 Oct 2009 /  #17
The family knows he went to Chicago

Try the Illinois census, Chicago, for the years you're interested in. If you're lucky you'll find him.
vicfirnst - | 1  
22 Oct 2009 /  #18
My g grandpa was Zachary Rybinsky he was from the SE lower corner of Poland he married
Catherine Sowa. I have a picture of Zachary & Catherine with his brother Petro and Anna.
Zachary had 12 children many stayed in Poland. I have an excel spreadsheet with the tree on it if you can open it. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Regards
Victoria (Polomcak) Firnstahl
vicfirnst@aol.com
OP caprice49 4 | 224  
30 Oct 2009 /  #19
My g grandpa was Zachary Rybinsky

I've emailed you and look forward to your contact.

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