Rebielice Krolewskie

I am loking fore the place where my father was born 28 March 1919.
It was called Rebielice,a little town near Rebielice Krolewskie (to day Slask).
The little town is dieaspered after the Second World War?
Do anybody now why.His parents come from Dankow.lipie in the naigbourhood.

There are at least five places called Danków. I can't find Rebielice yet. I'll keep looking.

Dziekuje pan Wroclaw.................Hope you find it ,maybe from old maps from 1919 -45?

"jola"

Pan Wroclaw!
I remember that Rebielice is around the Liswarta river. About 20 - 25 km northwest from
Czestochowa near Mokra.There was a big battle there under the attack on Poland.Also
figthing near Wilkowiecko where my father was baptized in St.Mikolaj church.At that time
my father was living in Denmark in a city called Sonderborg in South Jutland.This part of Denmark has been occuped of the Germans from 1864 -192o,where it became danish again

1957 was my father killed in a motorbike accident.After a while by the Saint Hedwig sisters
schoolhome,my mother,sister and I moved to Copenhagen.Our name is Leszczynski,but we
have also called us Lesenski,Is there many Leszczynscy in Poland?Before my family came to Denmark had my grandparents worked in Breslau,where my fathers big sister was born.

czescz

While I think about this I will tell you that I'm in Breslau/ Wroclaw.

Wroclaw......
Great...It is one part of Slask - the other part is (to day )this area my family comes from.
I think it was a former part of Congress-Poland(russian Poland) in the old days.........

I have get some information about the area where Rebielice "town" had existed.Its about
5-6 km east from Wilkowiecko and 8-9 km from Mokra.In the area there is a place called
Kamienszczyzna (in 1939 Szczyzna - Leszczyna)the last part it maybe the origin of my fami -
lyname? I will be greatfull if yoy can get some informations what happened with Rebielice?
Is the place smashed under the Second World War or what?To day its Klubucku powiat.....

About Dankow it is about 1-2 km from Lipie and 4 km to Rebielice Szlacheckie.
Myy grandmothers familyname was Balcerzak,but her mothers family had Leszczynski name.
My grandfather Roch and my grandmother Katarzyna Balcerzak was born in Dankow.
Some of the family had a Mill.

Jola,

Check your mail. You have two posts, subject, Family History.

Wroclaw.

Thanks Wroclaw.
Does this help ? No Ive have this sukacz function before.
But many thanks fore your help anyway......

Jola

Don't worry. I'll find out more for you.

If someone has already provided this information sorry for the response.

The villages/towns of Lipie, Dankow, Reebielice, Reebielice Szlacheckie, and Reebielice Krolweskie still exist. On September 1, 1939, the German 7th Reconnaissance Battalion of the 4th Panzer Division passed over the bridge at Reebielice heading east toward Mokra. It does not appear there was any fighting in Reebielice.

On January 16, 1945, the city of Czestochowa was captured by Russian units. It is unlikely that there was any fighting in the area of Reebielice at that time.

Regards,

John.

jccalvin...
Thanks fore your response.............
The villages/towns of Lipie, Dankow, Reebielice, Reebielice Szlacheckie, and Reebielice Krolweskie still exist.................but I cant find on any map the little town of Rebielice!

Where did you find this map???????

Regards Jola

Jola,

All the places you are looking for are on most maps. I did find them for you, and statistics about size, population etc. But you were corresponding with someone else about the names in your family, which seemed more important to you at the time, so I didn't post.

I'll post the links later this evening.

dorbze..... dziekuje moj towarczysk

jola

Wroclaw.......... Do yoy know something about the lastname lesenski?
In several occasions my father use this familyname............

Jola:

Marco Polo Polska Atlas Drogowy 1:200 000. Scan and then crop the area you are interested in. Blow up the cropped area and you have great detail. There are also 1:100 000 maps and military topo maps.

Satellite maps have great detail, but I can't post the web site for you?

Detailed population and history of small villages is available on numerous sites sponsored by Jewish individuals or organizations. Some of this information is simply not available anywhere else. Even if the specific information is not relevant to your search, you may find gneral information and photos useful. It takes a lot of surfing. :)

John.

thanks john
but i cant find rebielice.

The largest city in the area is Czestochowa. Follow highway 43 to Klobuck. Continue to Krzepice. In the middle of Krzepice turn right and follow a small road north east toward Dankow. From Dankow follow the Liwarta River and you run into Rebielice.

worldmaps.web.infoseek.co.jp/poland_guide.htm

The satellite map will show the roads and towns.

John.

john.
The little town my father was born in, was between klobucku and Mokra.
Just before Rebielice Krolewskie. In the the informations from szukaj there exist
only two Rebielice - Szlach. - Krolew. Rebielice.
thanks fore uour kindness.
jola

jola,

multimap.com

Make sure that you zoom in or you won't find what you want.

Dziekuje pan Wroclaw.
Thats rigtht.Its a rebielice near Rebielice Szlacheckie - but it cant be the same place as
my father was born. I was tolded that R. was about 5-6 km from R.S. near Mokra. In a book
of Janusz Piekalkiewicz about the attack on Poland - there is a describtion from the battle
between the nazis and the kavelarydivision "Wolynska". the Wolynska position was in Rebielice, between Mokra and Rebielice Krolewskie.
Im now confused. Here a descibsion I had on polish:
Panski ojciec orodzil sie - jak sadze w Rembielach Krolewskich ktore do 1991 r. nalezaly do
parafii kosciola katolickiego w Wilkowiecko.
w niewielkej odleglosci napolnoc od Rebielicic Krolewskich lezy wies Rebielice Szlacheckie.
Ponniewaz w metryce urodzenia Pana Stanislawaeszczynskiego jest przytoczone okreslenie
"Pfarramt in Wilkowiecko" czyli parafia w Wilkowieckostad wnioskuje ze miejscem urodzenia
Panskiego ojca byly Rebielice Krolewskie.
Please yranslated.......
pozdrowienia z
jola

Jola:

The positions of the German and Polish units during the Battle of Mokra is reported differently by each side and movements during the battle are fairly complex. Given that, the following units of the Wolynska Brigade and their initial positions should be fairly close. Starting in the north:

1st Battalion of the 19th Lancers were initially positioned near Kamienszcyzna.

4th Battalion of the 19th Lancers were initiially near Rebielice.

1st Battalion of the 21st Lancers on the edge of the forest just east of Rebielice Krolewskie.

3rd Battalion of the 21st Lancers on the edge of the forest just south of Rebielice Krolewskie defending against a German advance from Opatow and Wilkowiecko toward Mokra III.

12th Lancers Regiment on the edge of the forest just east of Mokra II.

2nd Horse Artillery on the edge of the forest just north of Mokra III.

4th Battalion of the 21st Lancers in the forest area just west of Mokra III defending against a German advance from Opatow and Wilkowiecko.

4th battalion of the 84th Infantry Regiment south of Mokra III defending against a German attack from Walenczow.

2nd Battalion of the 21st Lancers south east of Wilkowiecko on open ground.

The 53rd 'Smialy' Armoured Train just east of Mokra III.

2nd Mountain Rifles, 21st Armoured Troop, and possibly the 82nd Anti-aircraft Battalion east Mokra III and the railroad line.

John.

Dear John.
Iam greatefull of your informations!
Some years ago I was in contact with powiatu Klobucki,because I had doubt where my father precisly was born. The powiat send me a map of the area.the polish official had signed a mark where Rebielice had been.It was southwest of Rebielice nearly Mokra nr.?

Southly some km. is Wilkowiecko where my father wad baptized.

In the danish translation of the positions of "Wolynska" stand some of them in front -"face
to face" position to the german - in the edge of Rebielice near Mokra.

Like Rebielice Sz. and Krolew. there must had in 1939 existed two more places called Rebielice.
.

Sorry I misted someword...........southwest of Rebielice Krolewskie............

I hope I some day can visited Rebielice and Dankow ,but I have some problems with the
transport.Iam physically handicapped ,and have cognitive problems,so I must not drive.
My wife is scared to drive car in a foreign country and I cant ride by train or flying, when I need my minicrosser to transport. Im now a middleage man (56 year) so I look much in the

past and my familys roots.My children (and wife) are not so interested as Iam -thats quite nomally I think.
The polish is assimileted in danish idendity.

Jola:

Archiwum Państwowe w Częstochowie
42-200 Częstochowa, ul. Rejtana 13
tel: (34) 363-89-31
fax: 363-82-31
email: archiwumpanczwa@poczta.fm
archiwumczestochowa.um.gov.pl

The archives have extensive marriage and other information for the area arround Wilkowiecko up to 1853, perhaps later.

The areas surrounding the towns you have named are all agricultural fields. I have looked at old nineteenth century maps and only the towns we have already discussed appear. In this area the towns that appear on current maps have been there at least one hundred and fifty years. Even the roads have not changed much. I think what you see is what you get.

John.

John.

John. :)

Dziekuje pan.
Thans for the link. I have seen a old map from this area and sw from rebielice krol.
there are drawn two or three houses. Its also really near Mokra and southly is Wilkowiecko marked. I think this place is Rebielice - not a really village or town.

Im waiting for a translation from polish to english maybe this can satisfied me?

The Battle of Mokra took place on September 1, 1939 near the village of Mokra, north-west of Częstochowa.
JOHN.....mokra is near Miedzno in 1939 - like Rebielice apart of Kielce powiatu.
My fathers birthplace Rebielice must be in this area of Mokra I and R.ebielice Krol.
the churchdistrict of Rebielice on that time was Wilkowiecko, and not as Rebielice near
Rebielice Szl. there was a part of Dankow churchdistrict......

Dec 22, 06 [10:31] - Attached on merging:
Mokra no.I - Rebielice - Miedzno.

Have somebody knowledge of the area of Mokra I and Miedzno from 1939?
Maybee a map from this periode?
My father was born in a little town:Rebielice it seems to be in the area of ,Mokra, south east of Rebielice Krolewskie, beetween Mokra I..and Miedzno...............

In these days a part of Kielce Powiatu - much latere Klobuck powiatu.
He wad baptized in the Wilkowiecko churh district (parafia) south of Rebielice.........

Kielce wojwodzstwa - Czestochowa powiatu

I HAve now get some informations from Opatow city. Thats rigth Rembielice was a
little "town" near Mokra. Southw. after Rembielice Krolewskie.........

Dear John..
Ithink you are wright - Rebielice is between Rebielice Sz. and Rebielice Krol.
Its only about 2-3 kilometres distances.
I was confused about the distances and the positions.

So my fathers birthplace is not south west of R. Krol, but the little place is nabour
to both Rebielices..............................

jccalvin..... Thank you
Ye thats rigth...the little place Rebielice is nabough/beetwen Rebielice Szl. and rebie-
lice Krol. I was in doubt in which position the place where......

One one site you can also say - Rebielice is after the town Troniny and Lipie. Surely it
had been a place of 4-5 houses......

I will thanks everebody there had helped me to find out about my fathers birthsplace.
Now I have some knowledge about the very little place Rebielice. It was place were
some of my Leszczynski or Balcerzak family had lived in 1919.
I also know that Dankow where my grandfather/grandmother was born is a little village
(wies) with 590 citizens to day, and its only few kilometres from Rebielice. Both places in are in the Slask region today....

Im also convinced that in Estonia is Lepik a popoular surname.

I have now concrete informations about Rebielice.
Its is a very small place between Rebielice Sz. and Rebielice Krol. Troniny are in
this area.

Now I had got some informations about Rebielice. It was a little place near Troniny and
Rembielice Sz. Dankow and Rebielice krol. (Czestochowa ...) Slask...

Its ok now.
My family came from Danków/former Częstochowa area..
Today Kłobuck wojewodza. Ręmbelice is near Danków between Ręmbelice Sz.
and Ręmbielice Król.
Thanks for Your kindness..

Leif Stani Leszczyński
Dania

I have been working on my family tree. My great great grand dad antoni tobur and his wife sophia (paluch) immigrate to the us in 1878 along with 2 sons john and adam. Antoni born in 1833 sofia born in 1834 married in 1857 parents born in poland (aus) came to duncan nebraska usa i have been told they came from either tarnow or mokre poland not sure tobur is polish spelling this was on antoni's grave change to tober now also his marker says To spoexywa Hmart 5,alaja 1905 Latmajae 65 not sure what this says i need help.

pardon it is Rebielice krol. because this part of the two rembilices was and is under
Wilkowiecko parish...

Is there anybody who knows something about Karol Hanke from Natolin (Sląsk)

He was born about 1886 and was married 1914 with Marjanna Balcerzak from
Rębielice Krolewskie. Marjanna Hanke mother was Dominika Leszczyńska/Rębielice.

Sorry it was Franciszka Leszczyńska from Rębielice
The Leszczyńscy family had managed a kępina in Rębielice Sz.

Do anybody have some informations about the kępina in Rębielice Sz.?
Any knowledge about the owner/manager in the 1880- 1910?

My Leszczyński-relatives had told me, it was them who managed this kępina:
a sort of mill and oven to burn bricks.

kępiną is the correct word for this sandsstone oven...

The place is also called Rębielskiej Górze

Sorry... Kępina is a mill... Do somebody have some historical knowledge of the mill in
Rębielice Szl. ?

The kępina must had existed in 1910.

Citizen of Troniny - Danków- Rębielice Szl. - Rębielice Król. - Iwanowice - Wilkowiecko

I'am looking after some links or historical informations about the mill/Kępina in Rębielice.
I think the mill have something to do with my family:Leszczyński - Balcerzak/Rymarczyk
about the year 1900. Please help me with some information!

hanke natolin wies:
Sorry the mother of Marjanna Hanke domu Balcerzak was Franciszka Balcerzak
domu Leszczyńska. So I have 2 lines of ancestors with Leszczyński family-name.

Both lines from the two Rębielice villages and maybe also from Danków. If not it must
be because the Rębielice parafiadistricts in 1884 was a part of St. Stanisław in Danków.

In 1919 was this part of Rębielice my father was born the parafia St. Mikołaj, Wilkowicko

Rębielice (Rembielice) was a little village) between Rębielice Szl. and Rębielice Król.

Before 1919 R. was a part of Danków parafia. Latere changed to parafia Wilkowiecko.

In the past there were 3 places called Rębielice in the area of Danków/Kłobuck...

Rębielice was a part of Kielce wojwodzstwa to after the Great War. Latere Częstochowa
and to day Kłubucko Wojwodzstwa.

I'm still hopeful that someone can give me some more informations about Rębielice and
and Danków in the yers of 1900-2o

the whole history, even before 1900s is given in Polish wikipedia. do you speak Polish ?

magda7

Sorry only mały po polsku. Please give me a link to Polish wikipedia?

Some times if I google the subject, it will be translated by google.

thanks!

Magda7
I have found Polska Wikipedia, but not with translations.

Tried to type Rębielice/Danków, but get only some generel informations.
I'm looking fore specifik knowledges about the borders of the parafia in Danków between
1884- 1900. And more excact informations about which part of the two (3?) places
benamed Rębielice were serviced by Saint Stanisław church in Danków in these years.

Magda7

Thanks for your reflexion! It's very confusing to find the borders of Danków parafia.
I think my grandparents must be born in Rębielice 1884, when Rębielice was a part of
Zajaczki and Danków parafia. My father and his brother was also born in Rębielice 1914
and 1919 But on these days Rębielice was a part of Wilkowiecko parafia.

The answer maybe is that, the one of the Rębielice was under Rębielice Szl. parafia
Danków. The north of Rębielice Król. was also latere a part of Danków parafia.
Latere It changed and Rębielice been a part of Rębielice Królewskie/Wilkowiecko parafia.

I had checked the databases of the Danish Immigrant Museum, but the bases are false
about my father and his brothers birthplace. Both Leszczyńscy Bros. are born in R. and
baptized in St. Mikołaj in Wilkowiecko.

Magda7

Thanks for your email-link to Rębielice!
Now I'am finished the investigations of Rębielice...

I can concluded: My grandparents must be born in Rębielice Szlacheckie. In their
birth certicates from 1884 is Rębielice a part of Dankówie parafia.

Rębielice Królewskie was previously serviced by Sct. Marcin in Kłobuck to 1890.
After this year the village was serviced by priests from Wilkowiecko.