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Why is Polish workmanship so bad?


dnz 17 | 710
18 Dec 2009 #1
Why can't polish Workers make things that last or do a good job of things and why do they have such a half arsed attitude towards quality?

The other week a plumber came round to stop the shower leaking and just slapped silicone all over the place in a really untidy manner and didn't even fix the problem,

Our flat is around 12 months old and its literally falling to bits and subsiding.

I had my computer fixed, got ripped off in the process and its broken again, the same thing that was supposed to be fixed.

The amount of cars I see driving round with an utterly **** paint job is ridiculous, I'm not talking boy racers who have done it on the cheap i'm talking bmw's mercedes etc with badly matching panels and dirt in the clear coat.

Also when taking the car to a garage for a new starter motor they tried ripping me off telling me that it was a days work to take it out, They are either really **** mechanics or they are just rip off merchants as its a half an hour job.

They built a pavement outside the house and have never finished it,

The motorway near poznan is subsiding already and had to be resurfaced after 3 years,

The list goes on and on, Why the fu ck can't they do things properly and it really is worrying that people with this attitude are going to the UK to work.

Is there an underlying reason why this happens time and time again or do people here just simply not understand the meaning of a "good job"?
convex 20 | 3,978
18 Dec 2009 #2
there is no incentive to do a good job

when the incentive is provided, you get a great product

I had some data recovered, great work. friendly service, no complaints. They were pricey, but the service was great. I think they have since gone out of business.

I had a new radio put into a plane, utter failure. The labor was cheap compared to doing it in Germany. After a month of back and forth, I had it reinstalled in Germany. They were pretty appalled by the workmanship. I understand they're still getting customers.

I guess it depends on the needs of the customers. The price vs. quality balance definately seems to be tipped towards price here...
polishcanuck 7 | 462
18 Dec 2009 #3
Why can't polish Workers make things that last or do a good job of things and why do they have such a half arsed attitude towards quality?

This is how they ensure that they will have work in the future.
Goes back to the commie days.
Mr_Chips - | 12
18 Dec 2009 #4
Whatever happened to personal pride and self-respect?
Has that left the Polish worker as well?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
18 Dec 2009 #5
The other week a plumber came round to stop the shower leaking and just slapped silicone all over the place in a really untidy manner and didn't even fix the problem,

Yawn... Do you foreign gays realize that It doesn't often happen to Poles ? If that plumber did that in my flat, I would kick him out without giving a grosz. Don't be a nerd and things like that won't happen anymore.
jonni 16 | 2,485
18 Dec 2009 #6
It doesn't often happen to Poles

Everywhere I've lived here was fitted out by Poles for Poles.

And everywhere has had plug sockets coming off the wall, badly fitted bathrooms (with indeed silicone all over the place), bare electrical wires, scary gas installation, light fittings not attached flush with the ceiling etc.
espana 17 | 911
18 Dec 2009 #7
The other week a plumber came round to stop the shower leaking and just slapped silicone all over the place in a really untidy manner and didn't even fix the problem,

this is a lie...... the poles are the best plumbers in the world
...

Also when taking the car to a garage for a new starter motor they tried ripping me off telling me that it was a days work to take it out, They are either really **** mechanics or they are just rip off merchants as its a half an hour job.

another lie , pimp my ride are amateurs if you compare them with polaks


peter_olsztyn 6 | 1,098
18 Dec 2009 #8
and it really is worrying that people with this attitude are going to the UK to work.

I hope in the UK good job is still awarded well because I'm going return and do some electrical jobs properly ;)
frd 7 | 1,399
18 Dec 2009 #9
The list goes on and on, Why the fu ck can't they do things properly and it really is worrying that people with this attitude are going to the UK to work.

because capitalism in our country started not so long ago not like in some western countries. But you'd probably prefer to hear something along "because we're under-people who will always be worse than western foreigners sorry" lines.. **** off
jonni 16 | 2,485
18 Dec 2009 #10
because capitalism in our country started not so long ago

Twenty years ago actually.

Do tell, what has capitalism (or any other system) got to do with doing a job thoroughly? If anything, in the old days they had much more time to do it in.

Mind you, Poland has been capitalist for much more of its history than it's been communist ;-)
pawian 161 | 9,971
18 Dec 2009 #11
The list goes on and on, Why the fu ck can't they do things properly and it really is worrying that people with this attitude are going to the UK to work.

Unfortunately, people with this attitude have stayed in Poland. They are waste indeed.
The ones who went to UK are clever, well-organised, dynamic guys who do the job right. We badly miss them here.

But the overall tone of your initial post is exaggerated. I have had services done for me many times, including major renovation in a flat, and only once or twice I have been ripped off or the service was lousy. I must have been lucky to run into proper guys.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
18 Dec 2009 #12
And everywhere has had plug sockets coming off the wall, badly fitted bathrooms (with indeed silicone all over the place), bare electrical wires, scary gas installation, light fittings not attached flush with the ceiling etc.

Well, I could write you a long post but I won't do that. I will ask you a question. So what is the reason in your opinion ?
frd 7 | 1,399
18 Dec 2009 #13
Communism has imposed certain behaviours, education, way of thinking and it was strong enough it's not gonna go off just in few generations - an example - gov ppl fighting around opening IPN archives. 20 years is a blink of an eye especially next to countries who were developing ALL the time and haven't been destroyed by war. Sorry but posh attitude of "I deserve everything and I brush off what you say with an ironic wink" sort is too narrow minded to even try and enter any kind of discussion. What would you like to hear? Maybe the things I've said in the previous post?

Yes we Poles are ******, weak, and you guys are all great and perfect. If it is, keep on chugging over it.
espana 17 | 911
18 Dec 2009 #14
the polaks even think that the police are stupid
frd 7 | 1,399
18 Dec 2009 #15
Do tell, what has capitalism (or any other system) got to do with doing a job thoroughly?

Sorry forgot to answer you. I think capitalism brought a completely different set of required traits, people getting paid for what they do not for slacking off or doing "just enough". Being in front of the rank started paying out. Skills actually matter. These things are just an ice peak and I think they are contrary to what communism was and imposed. And as I said after communism, a pretty recent period, this new way of thinging haven't rooted itself into the minds of all people. You still have lousy and crooked officers in city council buildings and post offices who think they are above law and god almighty. And you have blue collar workers who think their bungles and ramps will go unpunished. But they won't and some foreigners are still learning, one day or another this people will go out of the market because their infamy will be well known to everyone.
jonni 16 | 2,485
18 Dec 2009 #16
So what is the reason in your opinion ?

Experience. It isn't rocket science to fix a plug socket to the wall so it doesn't come out, or fix a zyrandol to the ceiling properly.

The last place I lived looked nicely decorated. Until I figured they'd used only one coat of paint and, wait for it, wallpapered around the furniture and not behind it.

And it has a plug socket which never worked. When I got an electrician to have a look, I discovered that not only were there no wires, but not even a hole in the wall behind it. It was just for decoration.

Maybe all the good workmen have indeed emigrated.
frd 7 | 1,399
18 Dec 2009 #17
It isn't rocket science to fix a plug socket to the wall so it doesn't come out

haha it reminds me, they always told us everywhere to hold the socket when you're pulling the plug out to not get an electric shock.. the truth unveiled ; D
peter_olsztyn 6 | 1,098
18 Dec 2009 #18
When I got an electrician to have a look, I discovered that not only were there no wires, but not even a hole in the wall behind it.

:)
southern 75 | 7,096
18 Dec 2009 #19
It's not bad but not very good either.For sure better than the greek one.
espana 17 | 911
18 Dec 2009 #20
dnz
typical polish behaviour

i blame the vodka .


ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
18 Dec 2009 #21
Why is Polish workmanship so bad?

That's odd since Polish immigrants working in the U.S. have a good reputation when it comes to plumbing, carpentry and especially construction. All things being equal, Americans will hire Poles to take care of their problems. "Get a Pole to do it" is a frequent refrain...
stevepl 2 | 49
18 Dec 2009 #22
Unfortunately it's true. The standards of workmanship here are generaly terrible. There are guys who can do a really good job but they are far and few between and really difficult to find. But from what I can remember there were plenty of 'cowboys' in the UK as well.

I did all the work on my flat myself (internal walls, installation, plastering, tiling etc.) the only job I didn't do was the final mounting of the radiators (as the supply and fitting of the heating was included in the price of the flat). The pipes were laid for them to the correct position, all they had to do was fit the valves and mount the radiators on the walls. The stupid twats fitted compression fittings to plastic pipes and every radiator leaks where the valve is fitted.

That plumbing work was carried out by one of the largest specialist companies in this town, I hate to think what a cowboy plumber would have done.
bimber94 7 | 254
21 Dec 2009 #23
I said this in another thread: the Polish work ethic is "why do something right when you can always f*k it up.
Arien 3 | 721
21 Dec 2009 #24
Well, it's usually the stories like these that make me really glad I'm able to fix everything myself. I think one thing is true though, if you really are looking for quality, you should also be prepared to pay for it.

I'm sorry, but this situation in society is what you'll get when you don't really appreciate proper craftmanship.

Moral of the story: Don't be stingy people!

;)

Says an Electrician.
lateStarter 2 | 45
21 Dec 2009 #25
Just learn how to do it yourself. If it is your house, you will make sure it is done right. Once you know how to do it correctly, you can help your neighbor. Strange concept, I'm sure, but give it a try. You might actually enjoy it...
beckski 12 | 1,617
21 Dec 2009 #26
Why is Polish workmanship so bad?

I have beautiful handcrafted linens made in Polish. The items are gorgeous, displaying perfection and excellent workmanship.
scrappleton - | 830
21 Dec 2009 #27
excellent workmanship.

Polish stonemasons can be really good too. Construction sites in the US often want them.
bimber94 7 | 254
21 Feb 2010 #28
frd:
because capitalism in our country started not so long ago

So how does that stop you from using those vodka-saturated Catholic brains of yours?
Seanus 15 | 19,706
21 Feb 2010 #29
I don't think we can really say that carpenters here are bad, quite the opposite. You have to be specific about the kind of workmanship and their level of experience before passing judgement.
Ironside 48 | 9,900
21 Feb 2010 #30
A few reason actually :
for one -

I guess it depends on the needs of the customers. The price vs. quality balance definately seems to be tipped towards price here...

I would say that most of the people earning so little they will always take chances going for lower prices.
for two - there used to be guilds for different crafts, there isn't anymore so anyone can claim to be .............(put right word here).

for last point -

there nothing you you as a customer can really do about bad workmanship, no pay and kick his ass is only real option here and doesn't happened often obviously.

Do tell, what has capitalism (or any other system) got to do with doing a job thoroughly?

At your service ......
if you are say plummer and you are doing your job thoroughly you are being paid the same money as some of your colleges who can't be arsed to do job properly, they rush over the list of custumers in hurry becose they have allready prived clients and real many to be made.

So they have a money, sometimes they are being promoted if giving lip service to the socialism and the Party, they have a car and all the little thing making the life better.

And they call you sucker, wife call you looser and children are asking but mr X is plummer as well and he got ................!
Somebody had to have a great moral integrity to not become like others.
That what system have to do with crating such moral atmosphere in which such things as stated in the OP post become possible and common enough.

Is that answer your question jonni?

Whatever happened to personal pride and self-respect?
Has that left the Polish worker as well?

for Polish workers - anyway majority of them - personal pride and self-respect have nothing to do with doing onces job properly but with making success = money.


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