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How much salary should I ask for IT Business Analysts in Wroclaw ?


OzanOz 1 | 1
9 Oct 2017 #1
Hello ,

I'm currently in contact with a company for IT Business Analyst position in Wroclaw.I'm living in Turkey , married and have a 9 months old child.

If it all goes well , we'll be moving in Wroclaw.

I'm wondering how much salary I should be asking or be expecting for this job?
I looked in this forum and some others about this , but couldn't managed to find satisfying answer :)

Some says it salary should be between 10K - 15K (net) and expenses will be around 7K ( flat (2room?), food, bills (electricity,water etc.))
Well lets say , I had an offer 10K (net) and expenses are 7K.

Will 3K be enough for ???
Travel with my family in summers, go out once in a week , child's needs , saving money etc. (You name it). Or the expenses are not realistic?

By the way , I'm an Industrial Engineer. Have 6+ years of IT Business Analyst experience.

Thanks in advance for your answers!
DominicB - | 2,709
9 Oct 2017 #2
saving money

Your figures are about right. You can do it if you live modestly and carefully, but savings are not going to be all that spectacular. On the minimal side for a family of three. That is the worst thing about working in Poland: savings potential is frustratingly low.
OP OzanOz 1 | 1
9 Oct 2017 #3
Thank you DominicB.
Well , it seems I should consider the offer when it's over 12K(net) or more.
Living modest ,carefully and without the savings , thats what I'm doing right now in my country.(more modest :) )
cms 9 | 1,255
9 Oct 2017 #4
That's more than 18k for your employer - I would be amazed if anybody offered that money unless for a managerial position.
Harry
9 Oct 2017 #5
expenses will be around 7K ( flat (2room?), food, bills (electricity,water etc.))

Your expenses will be closer to half that. A decent two-bedroom (i.e. three room) flat in a reasonable neighbourhood in Wroclaw is going to be in the region of 2,500zl a month, add 300 more for electricity, gas, water and internet, another 100zl for two telephones and another 200zl for two transport passes.
DominicB - | 2,709
9 Oct 2017 #6
@Harry

Your expenses will be closer to half that.

No, they won't.

Travel and relocation expenses, including visas and permits, amortized over 12 months will be more than 1000 PLN alone. This is what they have to pay from their income just to be in Poland.

A two-bedroom apartment will be 2700 to 3200 PLN all inclusive, rent, administration fees and all utilities except phone/internet/TV. A one-bedroom apartment from 2200 to 2700 would make more sense.

Food and routine household and baby supplies is 1500 to 2500. Less if cooking all meals at home from scratch using cheaper local ingredients. More if you more than occasionally eat, drink or snack away from home or cook with expensive foreign ingredients.

About 400 for basic phone/internet and travel passes.

At least 500 PLN a month for occasional expenses like clothes, bedding, furniture, dentist, medicines and taxis, babysitting, etc.

So that's at least 5600 PLN right there, and that's without recreation/hobbies/entertainment and vacations, which is a wild card, depending on travel back to India. or any serious savings. So 7000 PLN a month with savings limited to only a modest rainy day fund is a pretty close estimate.
PrinceDidier
9 Oct 2017 #7
12K(Net?) for IT Business Analyst??? If it were easy everyone would do it.
DominicB - | 2,709
9 Oct 2017 #8
@PrinceDidier

I agree. Wages like that are usually for senior positions with some management or technical specialist experience.

Also, I made a mistake and thought this guy was from India, not Turkey. The cost of travel, relocation, visas and permits will therefore be somewhat less than I said above, depending on airfare.
Harry
9 Oct 2017 #9
No, they won't.

Dom, which one of us has been living in Poland for more than two decades and still lives here? It's not you, is it.

Travel and relocation expenses, including visas and permits, amortized over 12 months will be more than 1000 PLN alone.

Last time I checked it was illegal for employees in Poland to be charged for work permits, which is entirely understandable given that they can't organise the things themselves. As for relocation expenses, that is something for people to negotiate; any smart company will throw them in for the simple reason that it's far more tax efficient for the employer to cover those costs from money from which tax has not been paid than for the employee to pay for those costs with money from which income tax has already been deducted.

A two-bedroom apartment will be 2700 to 3200 PLN all inclusive, rent, administration fees and all utilities except phone/internet/TV.

You're very simply wrong there. Even here in Warsaw a decent one-bedroom flat will be less than that. A very good friend of mine rents a one-bedroom flat with an 80 sqm terrace in a building that is six years old (complete with 24/7 on-site security) three tram-stops from the old town (and not the Praga side of the river) for 2,000zl including everything except electricity and internet.

It really would be good if you could stop trying to tell people from countries outside Poland who want to move here that they need at least six thousand a month net to avoid starving to death.
DominicB - | 2,709
9 Oct 2017 #10
Dom, which one of us has been living in Poland for more than two decades and still lives here? It's not you, is it.

I lived there twelve years, eight years in Wrocław, until three years ago. So don't pull that $hit with me. 3500 PLN will barely cover the living expenses of a rather monkish single foreign male. I'm a rather monkish single male. With no savings. Hell, I'm a rather monkish single male, and I was spending more than 3500 PLN on living expenses alone.

A foreign couple with child would be living at poverty level on 3500 PLN a month. That's just plain ridiculous. Even at 6000 PLN, it's not going to be any party. Tolerable, yes, but not the high life, by amy means.

Last time I checked it was illegal for employees in Poland to be charged for work permits

Who said anything about work permits? Not I. They will have to pay for their residency permits, though. And their visas. And documents with translation. And airfare. And trips to and from the embassy. And hotels, if any. And shipping, if any.

If they get relocation expenses, great. But I wouldn't count my chickens until they are hatched. If the company does not give them an allowance for relocation expenses, then it has to come out of their income in Poland, one way or another.

You're very simply wrong there.

You're not going to do very much better than 2200 PLN a month all inclusive (rent, administration fees and all utilities except phone/internet/TV) for a one-bedroom apartment in Wrocław that's suitable for a family and with good access to public transportation. Anything much cheaper is going to be dodgy, have hidden expenses (like bad windows or an impractically small kitchen), or be very inconvenient in terms of transportation. And that's for a basic apartment, 60 meters, not anything luxurious.

A very good friend of mine

Everybody has "a friend" that got a good deal somehow. I have a friend who won big on the lottery. Again, these are exceptional cases and the OP can't count on such luck, especially as a newbie foreigner who doesn't speak a word of Polish and knows nothing about the city or the local culture.
Harry
10 Oct 2017 #11
They will have to pay for their residency permits, though. And their visas. And documents with translation. And airfare.

No. No. No. And no. He will have to negotiate those. A company that wants to hire a foreigner will cover the cost of those things. I know you have very limited experience of the corporate world, but it's a very simple fact that to a company those are costs and so tax deductible but to an individual they are not, which is why companies pay for them.

You're not going to do very much better than 2200 PLN a month all inclusive

You're talking rubbish. Funny how often you start talking rubbish when you're talking to a non-white foreigner who wants to move to Poland, isn't it.

Even in Warsaw ten percent less than that will get a very liveable place. Wroclaw is cheaper than Warsaw.

Everybody has "a friend" that got a good deal somehow. I have a friend who won big on the lottery. Again, these are exceptional cases

That price isn't exceptional, I know people who pay less for more central flats. What's exceptional is the number of quotes you've been allowed to put in your post; I wonder why a certain mod who cannot be named might want to enable a poster who posts utter rubbish whenever a non-white person asks about moving to Poland.
DominicB - | 2,709
10 Oct 2017 #12
when you're talking to a non-white foreigner who wants to move to Poland, isn't it.

That was a low blow and uncalled for. And totally off the mark. I'm a rather leftie liberal democrat. I give the same advice regardless of skin color.

please let's get back on topic
Explorer2016 1 | 7
18 Nov 2017 #13
Hello all,

May I please request which of the following options looks better for an Asian guy having family -
1) Continue doing my permanent job of 15k/monthly in IT in Poland
2) I hold a PR visa for Australia, leave current job in Poland to try my luck in AU.

Your time and responses are highly appreciated! Cheers!!
LongTermR 1 | 37
18 Nov 2017 #14
I'm junior IT specialist.15k is quite high salary in your position. In order to answer your question we should know your current salary. If your wife will not work you will not save anything with 15k brutto salary. Of course you can save but it will be worthless in Western countries or AU
Explorer2016 1 | 7
19 Nov 2017 #15
sure, thanks for the reply.

The current situation is I am the only one earning and taking care of my wife and a child preparing for pre-school admissions next year. also, I have 8 years of IT experience and I guess I am getting a descent salary in Krakow. Whereas compared to Australia the savings would be half in Poland, though there will be a risk in leaving ongoing permanent job in Poland to try my luck in AU. Please advise.
Aquarian - | 21
20 Nov 2017 #16
@Explorer2016
I belive you should post this question in AU forms ? Dont you ?
LongTermR 1 | 37
24 Nov 2017 #17
In my opinion you should ask at least 13k zl net.


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