Is salary of 3000 Euros gross enough to live decently in Lodz, Poland?

the original question was about Lodz and absolutely he can live for that amount in Lodz. In Warsaw- if he was single then yes- but a family...he would have to be mindful of a budget.

Thanks John for your valuable comments. Can you please share with me details of that apartment you refereed as I'm also looking for a accommodation on rent.

Thanks


Thanks Pip for coming to my original question :) and assuring me that I've made correct decision of accepting the offer. I was just concerned if this income may compromise my life-style and current living standards. Thanks once again

Just out of curiosity : what industry are u working in? If my calculations are right your nett will be +/- 8500zl.
If you can make it- why don't you visit £ódz first? If you've never been to this side of the world before- there are many

things you need to get accustomed to!

I'm currently based in EE and have traveled a lot in CEE so I'm aware of the culture and life-style, but I haven't been to Poland yet. Can you plz. share what 'things' you are referring to that I may need to get accustomed to. Thanks

Simple, mate, looking from the outside in there are many things which u need to know especially about £ódz. For example: what decent accommodation

is like in £ódz. PM if u can.

I agree with Poland friend, I'm surprised if somebody pay 3000€ for this guy...a clever people know the cost of life in main EU countries and we not talking about 100€ of difference , I don't know the salary in Lodz but suppose that 1200€ are enough to conduct good life style , 3000€ no reason to ask...

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According to the above, latest national average salary (4th quarter of 2013) is: 3,834 zł, so 18,000 zł is only about 4.7x the national average...'Survivng' on that much should not be one of your worries ;-)

Here's a comparison for Europe:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_in_Europe_by_monthly_average_wage

Bloody hell guys, I'm earning 3200 net, I guess I need to move somewhere else in Poland because at least here where I work is impossible to even think about 5K not mentioning 10-15 k (facepalm)

These comparisons in wikipedia are bogus. No sense quoting them.

What do you mean?

That data provided there by wikipedia users is from random, often unreliable sources, not comparable between countries and most importantly in many cases incorrect.

You are not gonna be a Pole, so do not ask why words do not match up with facts.

What do you mean?

Remember that salaries are quoted gross, unless otherwise noted. If you are 3,200 net, you may or may not be above the average net, depending of your form of employment: pensje.net/kalkulator/3834netto


I have not analysed the source data for other countries; however, the data for Poland is straight from its official source, the Central Statistics Office: stat.gov.pl/gus/5840_1786_ENG_HTML.htm


???

A new record was broken in Poland: an employee's earn gross - 2,40 PLN per hour (about 0.49₤/hour):

Proposed by some employers rate per hour affront to human dignity. In Poland, the inglorious record established employer of Tri-City. He offered an attractive job in the profession bodyguard for PLN 2.40 gross per hour - reported by " Gazeta Wyborcza" .

It also describes the situation of people who are paid starvation godzinówki for his work on packing candy. As told Radio Information Agency Deputy Minister for Labour Andrew lotion, such situations are not possible if someone is employed salaried . Can not earn a month less than the minimum wage , which is currently 1,600 gold gross . " It is different in the case of employees on the basis of a service contract " - emphasized Minister lotion . He pointed out that the information that appeared in the press refer to civil law contracts . He added that if such an agreement has been concluded in accordance with the will of the parties , it is governed by other rules than the Labour Code.

Where the truth lies then?

Got the point. Now what does it have to do with the average?

That there is no point in taking the poor and the rich for to get the average!

But you are right. I missed the point. I thought about the minimal not the average earning.

A very valid point indeed; nevertheless, the average still seems to be the international standard, so why should PL be presenting its data any differently??? The same argument could be made against any other country - the average is just an average, nothing more and nothing less.

it's moot, but one must be careful calculating in such a way, especially because you're quoting salaries in a socialized country.

IF, and that's a big if, the national average was, for argument's sake, 3,834 gross, because of the social structure of the country, once you cut that number down with ZUS and other taxes, how much is left? 2500? idk to be honest, but it's probably not far from that. ZUS alone is around 900zl/month from what I remember.

so by trying to calculate "how many times" more or less, that number drastically changes when you take a small number (salary) and cut it down 35% due to deductions whereas the large number (salary) only gets cut down maybe 20%. what was once a calculation of 3,834 vs 18,000 is now a comparison of 2,500 vs. say 14,000......5.6 times more.

i don't know how the tax brackets currently are in Poland but you see my point.

One should also remember that when it comes to wages, "average" is not a very good measure (Median is better). Because the 1%ers always skew the statistics.

So the national average wage might be 3800 PLN, but your average Pole makes less than that.

I might add that the average monthly salary in Sweden is around 3400 Euros. That's in the country who have among the highest taxes in the world and also one of the most expensive countries to live in.

Yep, and my gross salary is 1600 PLN ;) net is 3200 PLN. Guess how did that happen. Yes you're right, most of my salary I get in cash without any proof of it being given to me. And I can't do anything about it because I'm almost sure I'd get fired if I even talked about that and I can't afford losing my job, got to bring food to my family :).

Correct. And this is where confusion abounds, as the average does not tell us anything about the distribution. In fact, probably less than a third take home at least this average. Nevertheless, it is still a valid quick measure of a country's economic standing, we should not be denying the obvious.

3,834 zł gross = 2737.61 net
18,000 zł gross = 12608 net
12608/2737.61 = 4.6

it's more or less the same as when comparing gross salaries 4.7. As we see taxes in Poland are not very progressive.