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Diversity in Poland especially in workplace


Spike31 2 | 904
2 Apr 2019  #61
Women in the workforce is hardly news

This kind of [gender] diversity has been naturally and effectively achieved in Poland a long time ago. We have a very smart women in Poland and they've achieved their position thanks to their skills and hard work not socialist "positive" discrimination programs.

"Poland is leading the way with the number of women who hold managerial jobs in the EU, second only to Latvia."

thefirstnews.com/article/polish-women-among-the-most-entrepreneurial-in-eu-2514
Rich Mazur 5 | 3,310
2 Apr 2019  #62
Is the leftist nonsense of the alleged women's unequal pay being discussed in Poland?
I know this is not exactly about diversity, but I think it's close enough for this thread.
10iwonka10 - | 401
2 Apr 2019  #63
Why would skin colour matter to anyone...

Theoretically shouldn't but...without taking sides.

On one side there are some racist people on the other lots black people with a chip on their shoulder. You can't tell them off about anything at work as they cry racism straight away. I think there are few black women in UK politics....not great now. one was over-speeding and hiding it...another from labour talks lots tosh.
mafketis 17 | 6,893
2 Apr 2019  #64
almost every thread here ends up about immigration.

Well the topic is about diversity in Poland... who else is Poland going to get diverse except through immigration? And wouldn't it behoove those who are cheerleading non-European immigration to Poland to look at how the experience has gone for other European countries?

Are are countries simply supposed to create policy based on ideology divorced form real world experience?

My idea is that a lot depends on country/culture of origin but it's very hard to talk about, one the one side there are the 'see no evil/hear no evil/speak no evil' monkeys like... you and on the other are the nazi-larping edgelords like dirk...

Does anyone want to weigh up the relative advantages and disadvantages of migration from (say) Vietnam vs North Africa in Europe? In a sober manner? (I'm not going to hold my breath)
Ironside 47 | 9,574
2 Apr 2019  #65
Does anyone want to weigh up the relative advantages and disadvantages of migration from

I could. It would be more interesting thought to talk about necessity or lack there off for a large sale immigration. They say it is good for the economy. What about a country? They say immigrants take only those jobs they cannot be filed by locals. Is that a fact and if it is what gives?

That would be a debate worthy subjects instead of all that noise or static produced thus far.
mafketis 17 | 6,893
2 Apr 2019  #66
My personal opinion is that large scale immigration is not needed anywhere... except by employers who want a large army of interchangeable and disposable employees without many rights...

They say it is good for the economy

A lot of that fudges the data, they say that places with lots of immigration have great economic growth... but don't control for the fact that immigrants go to places where the economy is already doing well... Venezuela is not getting many immigrants these days... if only the immigrants would go there and revitalize their economy!

They say immigrants take only those jobs they cannot be filed by locals

My impression is that immigrants take jobs that are so low paying that locals don't want to do them (again, open borders is a Koch bros scam to keep wages as low as possible).

Of course it's normal for there to be some movement of people.... but large scale immigration is a sign that something is going wrong in both the source and destination countries...
jon357 64 | 14,382
2 Apr 2019  #67
My personal opinion is that large scale immigration is not needed anywhere

It will happen anyway; the current 'crisi' isn't a crisis. It's a beginning.

It'll happen anyway, so (in the workplace) people had better get used to colleagues who look a bit different to them.
mafketis 17 | 6,893
2 Apr 2019  #68
he current 'crisi' isn't a crisis. It's a beginning.

Well Africa's population is set to quadruple over the next century and even the poorest in Europe have lifestyles that a massive majority of Africans can't dream of achieving at home (given the persistent inability of Africans to create stable and prosperous societies). So... things don't look good for Europe in the long term....

people had better get used to colleagues who look a bit different to them

The looks are the least of it. The values created and enforced by religion and culture are the far bigger problem and not a single European do-gooder has found a way of getting large numbers of migrants from Africa and the Middle East to embrace European values...
Ironside 47 | 9,574
2 Apr 2019  #69
My personal opinion is that large scale immigration is not needed anywhere.

Ditto. As you say, immigrants are going to those countries where the economy is doing well already.

I think a mass immigration (aside scams you mentioned) is deeply connected with globalization of the economy. Hence unholy allice between big businesses and neo-Marxist left ideology. They stopped claiming they are taking side of the working class against exploitation by the big bad bosses and started to defend minorities and that category includes all kid of immigrants. The both sides get what they want from that alliance - big businesses a cheap disposable workforce with few rights, lefties blocks of people (immigrants with a citizenship) voting on them. Win/win for them.

A certain justification for such polices could be a fact that otherwise in the age of globalization many corporations would oft reallocate their firms or rather manufacturing facilities to a foreign country with a cheaper costs of labor. Not to mention a common practice of outsourcings production.

Of course those practices could be prevented by a properly functioned state but as always as long as there is enough cake for most the greed takes precedes over the reason. Hence many countries with a 'liberal' economical policies are riddled with a serious issues and problems with their social, economical and cultural integrity.

Sadly any politically sound solution are shunned by the ideologically obsessed lefties as racist etc.

It will happen anyway;

We got ourselves a believer here. In a destiny as the very least and God knows what else. Here I have thought you are an atheist and rationalist to the fault.
mafketis 17 | 6,893
2 Apr 2019  #70
Well the left have become completely co-opted by the neoliberal consensus and have become fanatical in their support of the financial sector and liquid capital.

The American scholar Philip Mirowski writes about how neoliberals find ways of pushing their agenda across the political divide so that both left and right end up arguing for neoliberal goals (which do not include the well-being of the working class).

For leftists this meant convincing them that anything less than open borders is deeply racist... so now American liberals are pushing for the economic disenfranchisement of American workers in the name of anti-racism (first recognized as a modern religion by the great British novelist P.D. James).
Ironside 47 | 9,574
2 Apr 2019  #71
Well

Need to read them authors.
jon357 64 | 14,382
2 Apr 2019  #72
The values created and enforced by religion and culture a

Again, something slow to change.

Bizarre how a thread about diversity in the workplace (which is mostly not about skin colour or culture) has turned into yet another thread about immigration.

Here I have thought you are an atheist

You would do well to make fewer assumptions.
mafketis 17 | 6,893
2 Apr 2019  #73
diversity in the workplace (which is mostly not about skin colour or culture)

then what is it about? again, define diversity...

yet another thread about immigration.

Again, through what other means is the idea relevant in Poland?
jon357 64 | 14,382
2 Apr 2019  #74
then what is it about? again, define diversity...

I could, since I'm a lecturer in HR and teach it at a University, however a quick look online will do you nicely.

Disability, gender, social class, ethnicity, language, age, political affiliation, and a shed load of other things more relevant in Poland than your obsession with immigration.
Rich Mazur 5 | 3,310
2 Apr 2019  #75
Disability, gender, social class, ethnicity, language, age, political affiliation,

Of which at least three would be personal and nobody's business.
But let's assume that such info is provided on an application form. Now what? What do you, as a hiring person, do with it? Assign points like they do in China now?
jon357 64 | 14,382
2 Apr 2019  #76
Getting the best staff and getting the best out of staff is certainly an organisation's concern.
Rich Mazur 5 | 3,310
2 Apr 2019  #77
You are being dishonest. If that's the objective, you would list only the qualifications. All else is pure political correctness.
Disability, language, and age are relevant negatives.
jon357 64 | 14,382
2 Apr 2019  #78
Don't be so silly. All three are relevant. This is why effective organisations take diversity so seriously.

You should stick to things you think you know about, like weeping about your unfulfilled life (what's left of it, anyway) your compulsive internet trolling and your calling people 'foreign garbage'.
Rich Mazur 5 | 3,310
2 Apr 2019  #79
Don't be so silly. All three are relevant. This is why effective organisations take diversity so seriously.

Oh, that deliberate pretended lack of reading comprehension...

I wrote "RELEVANT NEGATIVES". Would you like all of your employees in wheelchairs or only some? Try to weasel out of this question.

Yeah, I know what's coming...If they can do the job just as well as those who can walk, why not. Or some other evasive sentence with an if or equivalent.

Never a simple yes or no. Only some is a trap, and you know it
jon357 64 | 14,382
2 Apr 2019  #80
There you go again.

And organisational diversity policies are not only here to stay, but also are increasing year on year as organisations see the immense value of them.
10iwonka10 - | 401
2 Apr 2019  #81
Would you like all of your employees in wheelchairs or only some?

If everyone was in wheelchair there would not be diversity.....Why can't you employ someone in wheelchair ? Do you think disabled people should be locked and not seen????
mafketis 17 | 6,893
2 Apr 2019  #82
There's no reason to keep those in wheelchairs out of the workforce.... nor any reason to force them into jobs they can't do. I'm all for expanding opportunity but programed diversity tends to lead to dumb things like quotas. so.... blech
Jaskier
2 Apr 2019  #83
I get what you are saying but how can they when we still have ppl like Rich Mazur here?
Do you really believe that without pushing sertain things at first you can't get past certain things?
I'm generally against quotas but the older I get the more I see how stupid ppl can be and can set in their ways
10iwonka10 - | 401
2 Apr 2019  #84
@mafketis

Quotas....brings quite negative connotations.

I don't think disabled people would be forced to work they can't do plus you need work place adjusted for them but I think they should have opportunity to work, earn money feel as a part of society.
Rich Mazur 5 | 3,310
2 Apr 2019  #85
Why can't you employ someone in wheelchair ? Do you think disabled people should be locked and not seen????

I will answer your questions after you answer mine: Would you like all of your employees in wheelchairs or only some?
Since you will not, I will answer it myself: No, I would not want any of my employees on wheel chairs because at the last place I worked they were forced to build a $100,000 elevator for just one guy in a wheel chair. He would also be exempt from business trips, and could not lift and carry anything. That burden was others to take care of.

That elevator, btw, would take him from the main floor to a mechanical lab where he, as a software engineer, never had a reason to go to. But the government rules do not allow logic and common sense to be a factor. Ever. Also, during my 30 years there, that elevator was not used once.

Hiring blacks is fun and it feels good. It's letting them go, that's not.
gffyygy
2 Apr 2019  #86
youtu.be/USg3NR76XpQ

interesting discussion here that sort of deals with this topic because they discuss female rights and people and politically correctness in the west.

here is the first part of the discussion but I don't understand what he means by useless men and why he cant have the balls to go out and say it that the lesbian and gay rights groups as well as feminism are the problem not these lonely young men (like me and dirk diggler for instance lol):

youtu.be/_2G4s-xjK_Y

also why cant they admit maot women or young women in 20s even or particularly in places like warsaw poland are super shallow and unless you have money or lie all the time everyone will be rejected?

I mean two minutes into the last one he clearly mentions useless men. but what if they aren't useless but simply don't have the same jobs or money and are just as interesting or in shape or simply are shy?

Here js another one. Notice how the woman interviewing him tries to paint him or trick him into admitting things she uses as statements later:

youtu.be/Ddzf9Mm4hdY
10iwonka10 - | 401
2 Apr 2019  #87
@Rich Mazur

To be honest I have some empathy for people less fortunate than me and yes I think disabled people should have chance to work. Everything is about common sense. I don't know what elevator you are talking about ? some extreme example. Nowadays in big offices there are elevators big enough for wheelchair or just office on ground floor. So office condition should be reviewed before this sort of employment is considered.
Rich Mazur 5 | 3,310
2 Apr 2019  #88
To be honest I have some empathy for people less fortunate than me

My question was not if we should employ people who are disabled. It was if you would like to - presumably, of your own free will and without outside pressures.

Predictably, nobody, including you, would touch that one.

So, my question still stands: in your own company of 100 employees, how people in wheel chairs would you consider enough to feel good?
No essays, please. Just a number between 0 and 100.

Yes, the company where I worked had all kinds of elevators but the gov goons still forced it to construct the one I mentioned. An elevator to practically nowhere, and never used by anyone. Just to make some gov goon happy.
Miloslaw 6 | 1,789
2 Apr 2019  #89
I employ 34 people.
None of them are disabled.
Not because I have anything against employing disabled people.
But just because they couldn't do any of the jobs I am offering.
Jedynaczek
14 Apr 2019  #90
Merged:

More on diversity in the workplace



So now even the algorithms must be wrong or ai is lying right because it chooses makes as the best candidates apparently:
forbes.com/sites/monicamelton/2019/04/12/can-ai-save-us-from-bias-in-the-diverse-nonbinary-workforce-of-the-future/#46e29b6c52c8

Is Poland already this bad and feministic?

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