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Diversity in Poland especially in workplace


10iwonka10 - | 302    
1 Apr 2019  #31
@jon357

Because it is difficult process - It is fine when team is diversified but if it is not and Manager needs to employ someone extra it gets difficult. If someone is different ( much older, different social class...) this person will not fit within the team and will not feel well there. There is a risk he/she will resign.

It is not only problem in Poland - Situation like this happened to me in UK but I also witnessed it in Companies I worked.
jon357 65 | 14,420    
1 Apr 2019  #32
Because it is difficult process

Yes, very much so. One of the roles of HR is to manage this so the individual manager's preferences don't lead to people being/feeling excluded.
10iwonka10 - | 302    
1 Apr 2019  #33
HR - we talk about bigger Companies. Small one don't have much of HR - maybe form time to time some external adviser.

I ma not sure if I have so much trust in HR people - sometimes they act very sensible but sometimes don't want to be too much involved.
jon357 65 | 14,420    
1 Apr 2019  #34
Small one don't have much of HR -

Indeed. These are the ones that lose out, while larger organisations gain. It should be the other way round.
Lyzko 20 | 5,987    
1 Apr 2019  #35
The concept of diversity aka "affirmative action" here in the US is quite simple really, indeed quite laudable when one stops to think about it, Ironside. The original idea was to attempt to right some of the egregious wrongs done to various minority groups in this country, such as African-Americans, Hispanics, Chinese, the mentally handicapped, and so forth and so on.

This pattern of thinking is not too different from Ms. Merkel's thinking of attempting to somehow make amends for Germany's Nazi past, by bending over backwards for

traditionally discriminated ethnicities in other Western industrialized nations.

Naturally, even a good thing goes terminally, permanently sour as soon as the expedience of poor judgement overtakes solid, practical reason:-)
USAExCon    
1 Apr 2019  #36
But the question is why does one wired article after another, even wired uk not wired us, constantly pushes forced diversity, particularly of women engineers or women in fields they never really specialized in or naturally enjoyed doing?

So you guys dont think that company specializing in hr is pushing forced diversity by using AI algorithms and such to hire people? Or the other company using AI to check gender bias. What does that mean exactly and how many companies exist now looking at these issues or making money on forced integration of sexes or races?

What about criminal convictions or being labeled as ex cons or convicted felons that Americans, the western media and court systems there like to do? How is that not discrimination?

Didnt dirk mention before the simple fact Pollish hate even the Ukrainians? The people most similar to them besides maybe Slovaks lol they still hate.

"Diversity, its sound really stupid. What exactly do you mean by that?

By the sound it of it you talk about quotas? Yet, posters here are talking importing blacks into the country."

Ask the wired authors of those articles or pick up the Wired UK issue February march I believe with the red cover. Company after company is pushing this so I dont know you tell me what they mean.

"In that case they wouldn't invest in Poland, yet they do. In fact Poland is a top FDI [foreign direct investment] destination in Europe*.

*euronews.com/2018/01/23/why-poland-is-a-top-fdi-destination"

But one can say the only reasons they invest in Poland because its cheap labor and has future benefits once they expand to new regions and get a new customer base for the long run.
Spike31 2 | 780    
1 Apr 2019  #37
however as in most places there there are department managers who recruit people they feel most comfortable with

How dare those blood-sucking capitalists employ who they want and feel the most comfortable with? :-)

How come they are not ashamed to employ those who are the most suitable for the position instead of, first and foremost, taking into account affirmative actions [which also goes by the name of a "positive" discrimination] which are completely incompatible with Polish socio-economic reality?

There's no problem with diversity/minorities in Poland? Then we should create the problem first and then solve it in a way that will create even more problems! The good 'ol socialist way :-)
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,581    
1 Apr 2019  #38
Diversity is not natural so it has to be forced.
jon357 65 | 14,420    
1 Apr 2019  #39
How dare those blood-sucking capitalists employ

If a manager or supervisor just employs people like themselves, those pesky blood-sucking capitalists from the HR department have a solution; encourage applicants and support staff on the basis of their ability to help achieve the organisation's mission and goals rather than put up with a low-level interviewer's personal tastes. That's one of the reasons HR exists in the first place...

No matter how much the concept of diversity irks you, it ain't going away...
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,581    
1 Apr 2019  #40
What does "diversity" mean in Poland?
TheOther 5 | 3,626    
1 Apr 2019  #41
Diversity is not natural

Rich Mazur walks into a rainforest and is stunned by the natural diversity surrounding him...
delphiandomine 85 | 17,470    
1 Apr 2019  #42
No matter how much the concept of diversity irks you, it ain't going away...

Especially as the world gets smaller and smaller.
mafketis 17 | 6,721    
1 Apr 2019  #43
walks into a rainforest

not that much human diversity in a rainforest... (or most other natural environments)

the problem with 'diversity is wonderful!' rhetoric is that a) diversity isn't really defined... b) no concrete benefits (apart from better fast food options) are ever given...
TheOther 5 | 3,626    
  1 Apr 2019  #44
not that much human diversity in a rainforest

Whites, blacks and indigenous people in the Brazilian Amazon rainforest? Humans seem to be the only species that opposes diversity amongst its members. Are we stupid?

'diversity is wonderful!'

It's natural from a purely biological point of view.
Lyzko 20 | 5,987    
1 Apr 2019  #45
Women in the workforce is hardly news. A strong female contingent predominantly in office staffing though is a relatively recent phenomenon, at least in the States, going back easily forty years or so:-)

Towards the end of the '70's, I can vividly recall a collective memo being handed around our office, "GET RID OF THE GIRL!", in bold red, and anybody thereinafter

heard in public referring to a secretary, intern or the whatnot as a girl (much less in a sexually lewd fashion, even if unintentionally) received a verbal warning, followed by a written warning, after that, automatic suspension without pay!
jon357 65 | 14,420    
1 Apr 2019  #46
Women in the workforce is hardly news.

Yet there are still more men at higher levels, Women still dominate in the three Cs, cooking, cleaning and care while there are some pretty f*cking mediocre male managers who get on because their face fits.
Lyzko 20 | 5,987    
1 Apr 2019  #47
Throughout the whole of Europe, I can only agree. I was speaking strictly about my professional experience within the US.
jon357 65 | 14,420    
  1 Apr 2019  #48
In Japan, women who work are still sometimes called 'office flowers'. Even now.
mafketis 17 | 6,721    
1 Apr 2019  #49
Whites, blacks and indigenous people in the Brazilian Amazon rainforest?

And two of those are not-native (in the same rainforest)

Humans seem to be the only species that opposes diversity amongst its members

Are you kidding? For man species a new dominant male kills any offspring he can... .how is that diverse?

Again, what are the benefits of putting people together who can't easily eat together or socialize together and who have diametrically opposed views about things like the importance of law vs family loyalty?
TheOther 5 | 3,626    
1 Apr 2019  #50
what are the benefits of putting people together

You cannot ask this question without talking about numbers first. If you put a million Chinese together with 320 million Americans, it wouldn't have an impact on society other than making life more interesting and giving the locals the opportunity to widen their horizon and learn something. And if it's only tolerance. If you put 20 million Muslims together with 40 million Poles, then you are certainly asking for trouble. But that point is nowhere to be reached in Europe in the foreseeable future. Not even close.

Are you kidding?

You misunderstood what I was saying. I question the motive of some PF members here who bang on about how the West is flooded by migrants and how this will destroy its culture. The sad reality though is that these people hate anyone with a passion who is not white and/ or Christian, and they hide their hatred behind the apparent problems that the more or less uncontrolled migration process causes. I guarantee you, the same people would also object if the number of refugees would only be in the low thousands.
mafketis 17 | 6,721    
1 Apr 2019  #51
giving the locals the opportunity to widen their horizon and learn something

So you're all in favor of a few million Americans moving to China so that the Chinese can broaden their horizons and learn something?

The sad reality though is that these people hate anyone with a passion who is not white and/ or Christian

Yeah, the hate is a drag.... yet I've still yet to see any real proof that large scale non-European immigration to Europe helps either the local European population or the migrants themselves... no hate, just why keep running a failed experiment?
TheOther 5 | 3,626    
  1 Apr 2019  #52
that large scale non-European immigration to Europe helps

No, large scale immigration always causes problems in the country of destination, especially when the new arrivals have no intention to assimilate. The question is, how do you define "large"?

So you're all in favor of a few million Americans moving to China

Why not. Just make sure they are all Trump voters... :)
Miloslaw 6 | 1,400    
1 Apr 2019  #53
The question is, how do you define "large"?

The numbers that are coming into The UK is large.
And yes,The UK govt can control the numbers coming in from outside of The EU.
So why don't they?
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,581    
1 Apr 2019  #54
see any real proof that large scale non-European immigration to Europe helps

That's so simple. They teach the locals respect for the many races, cultures, and 100-plus languages. They increase employment opportunities for the cops, jailers, rape victim counselors, and the immigration lawyers. And, finally, it helps the ruling class get a firmer grip on the divided and diverse population. Ruling affluent whites takes a lot more effort.
jon357 65 | 14,420    
1 Apr 2019  #55
The numbers that are coming into The UK is large.

The number is actually low.

Somehow, almost every thread here ends up about immigration.
TheOther 5 | 3,626    
  1 Apr 2019  #56
And yes,The UK govt can control the numbers coming in from outside of The EU.

Yes, but the argument (amongst others) for Brexit was that the U.K. cannot control its own borders. What is it then? It seems that Britain has now decided that they don't want Europeans anymore, but instead prefer folks from Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Nigeria and Jamaica.

So why don't they?

No idea. I believe it's a big mistake to let so many economic migrants from the ME and Africa into Europe. If the EU can't manage to get this development under control, it will ultimately break apart. True refugees are a different story.
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,581    
1 Apr 2019  #57
Somehow, almost every thread here ends up about immigration.

Because immigration is the single greatest threat to the white race. Nothing else comes even close.
jon357 65 | 14,420    
1 Apr 2019  #58
white race

Why would skin colour matter to anyone...
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,581    
1 Apr 2019  #59
Move to South Africa, buy a farm, and tell us in a year if the color of your skin mattered.
Joker 1 | 700    
  2 Apr 2019  #60
Because immigration is the single greatest threat to the white race

It appears like its too late for Jolly old England, they have almost 3 million muzzies living in the UK and to make matters even worse, 72% of muzzies are on welfare!

[url=ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/muslimpopulationintheuk/][/url]

They are losing their heritage without a shot even being fired and they just accept it as part of the PC agenda, boggles. Im glad we have Trump to end this PC nonsense in America.

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