Do you speak English? Have you lived in America? New LOVE/HATE list.........

Are you serious? Hundreds of real ales, the worst of them better than standard Polish beer.

Compare like for like though, mass produced stuff is worse than Polish beer solely because most of it is dishwater weak. Isn't the micromarket Polish stuff supposed to be quite good too?

The interesting thing I find in Poland is that you see some places selling their own beers rather than the branded stuff - Brovaria in Poznan being an example. I remeber settling down for one drinking session there last summer and being pleasantly surprised at them only charging 7zl for a half litre of their own stuff - which isn't bad either.

The mass-market lagers in UK are generally foul. Remember Ayingerbrau?


Excellent. But it tends to stay micromarket. There needs to be more of a middle ground between the big 5 and the smaller brands.

I am Australian and have lived in the USA probably longer than you are walking the earth. That's still not enough in your eyes to give you a "real opinion" (what the heck is that supposed to be anyway)? You're a bit confused, are you? ;)

'nough said - my last post in this BS thread.

well
said Torq !
come to think about it, ;) he is leading example of incompetence in action ;D its funny, sorry

I don't, but was it on the same level as the infamous Castlemaine XXXX or McEwans?


Yup, agreed. There's Lech Pils here, which seems to fit that ground nicely - and I think Bosman also does a good job of it in/round Szczecin - but apart from that? Some of the Dolnoslaskie 'local mass market' beers are truly vile, though.

That's 07/08 i said 08/09 see link.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8153392.stm


Are they in the declaration?


Why so defensive i only asked a question. Find on here where i have ever had a go at the US!

To Scrappy and Convex with regards the above why on earth should someone want/be allowed to own a military assault rifle at home, which i believe is allowed in some US states.

Worse. Truly the pits.

In Poland, I was thinking about some of the microbreweries near you. There's one just west of Poznań, near but not in Września, and another really good one in Zielona Góra.

Delphiandomine, is it really that difficult to follow simple rules? you could choose ANY thread on this forum and post your senseless babble on it but you insist on posting here when I specifically asked you to stay away. you know what this thread is about, the criteria I requested and you know you don't satisfy them all.

I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have never lived/worked in America, rendering your opinions on this thread useless. we don't want to hear it.

Maybe you just don't get it in English....sprobuje wyasnic w inny sposob:

no spadaj stad no! kurcze pieczone, to co, po prostu ciagle piszesz tu ale w ogole nie zwracasz uwagi na to co juz pisalem do ciebie?! Masz dziure w glowie? Prosze pana, wydaje mi sie ze dajesz mi sie we znaki.......bez powodu.

zobaczymy czy to dziala czy nie.......

There are however good mass market Polish beers. Perla is one which knocks spots off all those fancy American microbrewed bits of rubbish.

I tend to buy Ciechan if I'm looking for something good. The only problem is its strength - about 6%. Żubr used to be excellent - almost a Pale Ale in flavour, but they changed the recipe.

Bottled beers are a good idea in PL - some bars keep the draught beers very poorly. I can think of one on ul. Wilcza where there's something amiss. Perhaps, just perhaps, the uniformity of Polish beers allows them to attach a cheaper barrel to the pumps.

I'll try Perła this week.

When you can stay in Poland without being subject to immigration control, then we'll talk.


It's not the barrel itself, but rather the lines to the barrel. I know someone who owns a bar who explained it all very simply for me - basically, you need to clean the lines once a week. This is costly - the bar in question was losing 10 litres a week per line, but it meant a way, way, way higher quality of beer. That's why sticking to bottles is the 'safe' bet in Poland - I very much doubt that most places are cleaning the lines even once a month! It's also a lot to do with the quality of chemicals used - once you've been to my friend's bar, you can really, really taste the difference.

Incidentally, the Ukranian Obolon isn't bad at all for a mass market beer, though it's tricky to find in Poland.

I doubt it. They'd get nailed to the wall by the brewery for trying that. Are you thinking about Lodi Dodi by any chance?


It's also 6%.


Really? Even the Carefour express have them in Warsaw.

Not really defensive, just think Europeans are given a distorted view of the US at times. No.. I think you're fair on here, Means.


Why?.. lots of times they're collectors. Why does somebody collect cars, knives, old coins? They're interested in them I guess. My friend has some assault rifles. He takes them out in the woods.. has fun. It's not really that despicable, you know. Plus, it's interesting to tear them down and see how they work, etc.

No sign at all of it in Wroclaw or Poznan, except in overpriced speciality shops - and - nicely, available for 7zl a bottle in one pub.

yep, and it works both ways. the questions I get from Americans about Poland......embarrassing. I keep telling myself, "i couldn't have been THAT ignorant before I came."

It's all in how the rest of the world, or a select country for that matter, is portrayed through magazines, television programs/news programs, culture, kitchen table discussions, etc. If you're a 10 year old kid and you hear enough times how "France sucks, I won't buy their wine anymore," after a while some start to get the same mindset, even if they don't know why.

Yes they are ridiculous. Chief among them thinking Poles are inherently stupid when on average their IQ's are some the higher in Europe.

Excellent idea!

I dislike all the Poles who sold their souls and left Poland in order to follow a false dream to have money, money and more money, I hope it hasn't worked out.

What makes u think its only money?

What else, fear of not being able to watch rubbish US TV some call this democracy.

New life, cos the one they have in Poland is ****?

Then why are you living in Poland??? and all the others from other countries who love Poland so much.

Well im not in Poland at the moment, but I will move back. Not everybody is as lucky as me, or others who live or have lived in Poland and can create a decent life for themselves.

I thinks someone here is jealous.

ola243 wrote:


yeah, you're right. because things like saaaaaaaayy....communism is a desirable thing. yeah, they should have stayed in Poland and continued to wait on line for hours for a loaf of bread and some vinegar. let freedom ring!

i hear working in mines was real lucrative as well. what were they thinking walking away from a job opportunity like that?

not to mention, are you suggesting that the MILLIONS of Poles that went to America and NEVER CAME BACK stayed there because the dream they thought existed......doesn't exist? it was all a "false dream"?

have you worked/lived in the USA, or are you another person wasting our time on this thread speaking from no experience? lay off the propaganda kool-aid my friend and don't type till you have legs to stand on.

lol, the truth hurts, unless your Polish you do not understand!

I dislike all the fools (Poles or non-Poles) who think that they know anything about
the reasons why young Polish people left our country throughout the years and how
much it cost many of them, and who think that they have right to criticize them.

I dislike all the spineless, lazy onanists, who would rather stay in Poland, live in a block
of flats with their parents and moan constantly than take their fate in their hands and
go abroad in search for better life.

you are obviously not Polish.

Maybe this thread was a bad idea :- (