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US Polonia 70% for Kaczyński


landora - | 197
12 Oct 2011 #331
Everyone can vote for the party they like, but... what would PiS do for Polish Americans ?... Voting by Polish Americans doesn't make any sense for me, if they don't live here, why they vote ? I don't want to disenfranchise anyone, but I don't see the target of this voting :)

That's because they think they know better what's good for us, and it's just infuriating!
Polonia is cute when they think they are cultivating Polish tradition by dancing czech dances (polka :P).
It is mildly amusing, when it thinks that "busia" is an existing Polish word.
But it's maddening, when it's trying to interfere in matters that influance our real lives and treat real Poles with superiority and contempt.
JonnyM 11 | 2,615
12 Oct 2011 #332
Where do people get the idea that those who live in the USA are stupid and those who live in Poland are so much smarter?

This forum might be one possible starting point for that assumption...
PWEI 3 | 612
12 Oct 2011 #333
Comparing the 'Polish'-Americans here with the Poles in Warsaw who also hold US citizenship might also lead one to that assumption.
peterweg 37 | 2,311
12 Oct 2011 #334
Where do people get the idea that those who live in the USA are stupid and those who live in Poland are so much smarter? Perhaps it is the other way round hence the voting went the way that it did?

Its a bit silly isn't it? However, the support for PiS is exclusivity from the poor and er, backward part of Poland. I would expect most American Poles to had the benefit of a goodish education and not to be dirt poor. So there must be another reason for support of a socialist party.

How about a misguide belief that nationalism of hating your neighbours and the EU is actually good for Poland? If you are constantly subjected to anti-EU propaganda (EU=Socialist=Bad) they maybe you would conclude PiS is good for Poland, missing completely massive the economic benefit that EU is for Poland.

Another thought is that the outcome of the election is of so little concern to Polonia that the perceived pro-USA stance of PiS is worth voting for.
PWEI 3 | 612
12 Oct 2011 #335
peterweg
the poor and er, backward part of Poland.

I actually very much like those parts of Poland and spend pretty much all of my holidays there. Nice places and great people. You should go check it out.

peterweg
How about a misguide belief that nationalism of hating your neighbours and the EU is actually good for Poland?

That could well be the reason. Polonia do tend to have a lot of misguided (i.e. totally wrong) beliefs about Poland.
peterweg 37 | 2,311
12 Oct 2011 #336
I actually very much like those parts of Poland and spend pretty much all of my holidays there. Nice places and great people. You should go check it out.

Well, my wife's family is from there and I own a farm in PiS country, I'll move there when I can. The family are OP voters, even thought the males of the family hate the Jews/blacks/Russians/Germans/Gays, so you'd think they fit the PiS mould.

They have 'seen how the PiS operate and won't vote for them again'.
PWEI 3 | 612
12 Oct 2011 #337
peterweg
Well, my wife's family is from there and I own a farm in PiS country, I'll move there when I can.

Cracking beer down there too.
PennBoy 76 | 2,432
12 Oct 2011 #338
If US Polonia was in step with Poles, 3 out of 10 member of Polonia would have voted PiS. But 8 out of 10 actually voted PiS, nearly three times as many as would have voted PiS if Polonia reflected how Poland voted as a whole.

I think delphie would agree with me on this one, what's Poland's current rural population percentage? 40, maybe even 30% now? Up until a few decades ago 80% of Polish immigrants to the US were from the countryside. Now I think it's still something like 60% (mostly people from Podhale, Podlaskie, Podkarpackie) althought there are many immigrants from the large cities as well. If you look at PiS supporters in Poland itself you'll find people from the same areas voting for them.
PWEI 3 | 612
12 Oct 2011 #339
Up until a few decades ago 80% of Polish immigrants to the US were from the countryside.

Yes, but are the Polonia who have been in the USA for more than a few decades the ones who are voting?

And if they are, doesn't that make it even more indefensible that they are allowed to vote after having lived in the USA for 40 years?!
peterweg 37 | 2,311
12 Oct 2011 #340
doesn't that make it even more indefensible that they are allowed to vote after having lived in the USA for 40 years?!

As far as I know most countries allow expats to vote, UK and USA certainly. So I don't see why they think its so 'indefensible'.
JonnyM 11 | 2,615
12 Oct 2011 #341
UK citizens who become non-resident can vote for 11 years only.
PWEI 3 | 612
12 Oct 2011 #342
As far as I know most countries allow expats to vote, UK and USA certainly. So I don't see why they think its so 'indefensible'.

UK certainly sets a time limit. Ten years outside UK I think it is.

Poland, however, gives the vote to people who have never been to Poland and whose parents and grandparents have never been to Poland. Tell me that that is defensible!
gumishu 13 | 6,140
13 Oct 2011 #343
Poland, however, gives the vote to people who have never been to Poland and whose parents and grandparents have never been to Poland. Tell me that that is defensible!

are you positively sure about that? and do you actually think those Polish-Americans who can't speak Polish really take part in the Polish elections?


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