US Polonia 70% for Kaczyński

SQ. How do recovering Alchoholic Catholics take communion then?

whatever that means;
a fact remains that you are voting PO and believe that PiS is the worst.
Whats a base for that belief ? That they say that PiS is quarrelsome, disturb peace and quited and all that rubbish a likes of you are swallowing like a goose, without reflection.

Who is doing nothing is quited and doesn't disturb anybody, who has no point or values is not quarrelsome.
I have mine doubts about PiS but I think they would be a good potential obstacle for the current establishment in Poland.
If you looking for a nice and a quiet life for yourself thats fine but if you looking the for the same in politics you are dumb. Democracy is all quarrel and fight, only authoritarian government can grant you your wish for accord on political scene.


sorry to burst your illusions but your one of those disoriented people, yet you follow PO. Whats does it say about condition of Poles?


Is not about bloodline it about values and principles.


Why don't you uses your intellect as from now on?.


him and views ? a good joke !


And who are you to question my judgment?


the point is that I and my genius are rarely understood.


What is your issue Harry? You are a typical mummy boy full of himself, find yourself a hobby.

Hmm they usually go hand in hand. People who strongly love their homeland look down on other nations or with envy.


Drunks are the most honest people, they're loosened up and euphoric so don't care to lie. Plus truth comes out when you're drunk.

People who really love their homeland don't abandon it when the going gets tough there.

People who love their homeland don't vote for a party that damages its economy. Attacking your biggest trading partners in not in Poland's interest.

Do you really think that the average member of Polonia could name Poland's biggest trading partner?!

I guess all you foreigners are at a loss in understanding what Jarosław Kaczyński and PiS are all about - well it goes with some assumptions - one such assumption is Poland is fully fledged democratic country - you also seem to not notice or ignore certain things (all of you) - which many Poles also seem to not notice or ignore - but there are Polish people who do notice them and don't ingore them - and these people will vote for PiS as long as parties like PO, SLD, and Ruch Palikota exist -

To me it's clear. They are a socialist party with traditional values. The two are not mutually irreconciliable as many seem to think.

this explains very little actually if you look around - and no PiS is not strictly socialist

I think that it is actually the other way round. The better educated and more intelligent members of Polonia moved back to Poland after the fall of communism. There were fortunes to be made and more than a few former members of Polonia made those fortunes. To give just one example, the majority of the oldest and most successful McDonalds franchises in Poland are now or once were owned by returned emigres: when McDonalds was first looking for franchisees for Poland it advertised in Chicago newspapers in Polish. What is left as Polonia tend to be the poorer and less educated Poles who left Poland.

Gumi, they are broadly socialist but you know how much I dislike labels ;)

What is clear is that they wouldn't have created the wedge as deep as PO have with regards to the haves and the have-nots.

Are they ? and even if their are whats your point is ?

Polonia is ten million strong in the USA. Most of them don't vote in Polish elections and most of them are better educated than the clowns who write such drivel maligning them.

Do think that you could possibly go a whole day without insulting posters here?


Here we are discussing the ones who do vote in Polish elections. Perhaps instead of simply insulting people here, you would care to address the issue raised by peterweg " Why do they have such radical views so out of step with the Polish population who will be affected by the vote."? Do you agree with his theory that "Maybe its demographics, the poorer, less educated who emigrated?" or do you agree with my theory that the richer and better educated returned to Poland or do you have another explanation? Or do you just want to throw insults around again today?

I-S, yes they are and my point is that they are. Thanks for your attention.

3 out of 10 Poles voted the same way as 80% of the Polonians that voted according to this thread's OP. If the US Polonians that voted are "radically out of step with Poland" then 30% of Poland is "radically out of step with Poland" too, but this is an absurd thing to say.

If US Polonia was in step with Poles, 3 out of 10 member of Polonia would have voted PiS. But 8 out of 10 actually voted PiS, nearly three times as many as would have voted PiS if Polonia reflected how Poland voted as a whole.

So why is it that Polonia was so overwhelming in its support of a party that couldn't even get the votes of one in three Poles? Is it that the best and brightest of Polonia returned to Poland (as I suggest) or that only the poorer and less educated left Poland in the first place (as peterweg believes) or is there something else which makes the voting Polonia so different (in terms of political views) to Poles?

I'm attentive enough. You say they are socialists while claiming that you hate labeling. What is it then that overcame your reservation - need of showing off or you are a plain attention seeker/

Oh delphiandomine, your are so wrong... ;) :

Broadly socialist, yes. However, I more than many see that it's an inherently complicated issue and not black&white. Politics are changing. No longer can Modern Studies teachers allow themselves to teach so plainly the ideas which were formerly taught regarding the political spectrum. I do hate labelling, it's just a fact!

Thank you

That's my view.

Without even resorting to the usual insults such as "Ukrainians" - look at where the emigration from Poland took place. They left from the incredibly poor (and still so to this day) Eastern borderlands - apart from Lwów and perhaps the modern day Ivano-Frankivsk, there was really nothing much to note in that area. They also left at the start of the new Polish state - so it does make sense that the elite would have stayed while the poor peasants would have left for a better life.

I suspect these poor peasants would have also been incredibly sentimental about the homeland - especially as literacy wouldn't have been high, but they would have retained the stories told by their ancestors. So - it's probably unlikely that they would have been able to read about what was happening in Poland. That probably translates into the modern day racism seen in the US Polonia (as told by their forefathers) - and thus the votes for PiS.

Polish Highlanders who constitute a large number of the Chicago Polonians that voted in the election are not from the Eastern boarderlands, and the few thousand Polonians who voted in the election are not third or fourth generation Americans whose ancestors immigrated a century ago, but more recent immigrants. Delphiandomine's "analysis" above is absolutely worthless.

While all of that is obviously true, the point made by Des Esseintes does hold: we are not talking about the 'Polish'-Americans here, we are talking about Polonia proper.

Given that that is the case, perhaps my suggestion that the best and the brightest of Polonia moved back to Poland in the 1990s explains the current political views in Polonia?

you must be joking - people only move back to Poland for retirement

That certainly is not what I see in Warsaw.

Highlanders count as "poor peasants". I've never heard anyone refer to the Gorale as anything but poor mountain peasants.

And where's your evidence for who was voting in this election?

Then again, what would you know about Polish politics, having never been here?

As for the Polonia moving back - possibly, or even more likely, the brightest and best ones wouldn't be reading the rubbish that the Polonia print for themselves - they'd be too busy reading far more high brow sources. They'd probably also be pragmatic enough to know that voting would be absurd.

You might have something there. Let's face it, PiS voters are more likely to be both less intelligent and more selfish than average and people who think that they retain the right to say how the Polish taxpayer's money is spent even though they themselves refuse to contribute in the slightest are also more likely to be both less intelligent and more selfish than average.

Where do people get the idea that those who live in the USA are stupid and those who live in Poland are so much smarter? Perhaps it is the other way round hence the voting went the way that it did?

Where did I say that people who live in the USA are stupid and those who live in Poland are even slightly smarter?