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Returning to Poland! Has anyone seen this influx of people from the US?


Chrisb 1 | 3
21 Nov 2013  #1
My Cousin, who has been a U.S Citizen and lived here for the last ten years, decided to pack up with her husband and daughter and return to Poland. Many of the Polish bars and nightclubs in the Chicago land area are disappearing as their "customers" have returned to the homeland for a better life. Has anyone in Poland seen this influx of people from the US. I wonder, is their life better? I would move back to Poland, but only after I retire so I can make the most of my retirement.
Marek11111 9 | 816
21 Nov 2013  #2
I wonder, is their life better?

it is different some things in U.S. you take for granted are not in Poland like in Poland you have to pay a fee per TV you own.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,669
21 Nov 2013  #3
like in Poland you have to pay a fee per TV you own.

Oh Marek, your knowledge about Poland never ceases to amaze.

You don't have to pay a fee per TV, you have to pay a licence to receive TV and radio signals. If you have one TV or twenty TV's, it doesn't matter, you pay the same.
Monitor 14 | 1,821
21 Nov 2013  #4
I've just listened to an interview with an American from Chicago who moved to Poland in 80', because he didn't feel good there, as a son of Polish immigrants.

tokfm.pl/Tokfm/0,131261.html?str=4_13352339 - click Los Polandos (14.05.2011)
Btw. for those who understand Polish I recommend all episodes. It's radio program which makes interview with foreigners living in Poland for the last few years. Who from the forum spoke there :)?

As for the question, I think that there are some states doing quite well and Poles working in USA legally are not forced to move back to Poland. Official unemployment rate of USA is very low as for European standards - around 7% vs for example 11% in Poland. But what is reality? (or rather which numbers are comparable) For example here they say that real unemployment is around 23% (Spanish level), because government doesn't count people unemployed for the long time:

shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts
Marek11111 9 | 816
21 Nov 2013  #5
Oh Marek, your knowledge about Poland never ceases to amaze.

yes take my head off, last time I visited Poland I was told it was per tv. so whatever your name is where you live now.?
InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
21 Nov 2013  #6
Has anyone in Poland seen this influx of people from the US.

Only 1 that I can think of in Wroc. However, it's possible that American Polonia speaking Polish here wouldn't get my attention anyway and so I'd not know. But, at least 1 for sure, as I said. I don't think they're returners from the windy city though.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,669
21 Nov 2013  #7
yes take my head off, last time I visited Poland I was told it was per tv. so whatever your name is where you live now.?

Was it ever per TV in Poland?
OP Chrisb 1 | 3
21 Nov 2013  #8
Many Poles in the state have Homes and land in Poland-They have the security of knowing that that have a place to come back to either while they are young or at retirement. 50%of my friends are returning for retirement. I personally cannot wait when I move to Poland.
InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
21 Nov 2013  #9
Why are you asking the forum if you're answering your own question?
delphiandomine 83 | 17,669
21 Nov 2013  #10
I personally cannot wait when I move to Poland.

You'll probably move back after a couple of years when you realise that Poland doesn't miss you.
f stop 25 | 2,513
21 Nov 2013  #11
Chrisb: Are you sure they are not moving to other places in the US?
I tried Chicago, New York, Miami, before I gave up on big metropolitan areas. As poverty increases, many urban centers in US (and in other countries as well) are getting more depressed, dangerous, crime ridden, and unhappy. Many Poles moved out of Chicago to other parts in the US.

Get the hell out of Chicago! There are many friendly, happy and warm (yes!) places right here in the US.
OP Chrisb 1 | 3
21 Nov 2013  #12
That was rude.......Dephimonmie
delphiandomine 83 | 17,669
21 Nov 2013  #13
And yet absolutely honest.

Those expecting to find something extraordinary in Poland are likely to be bitterly disappointed, especially if they've spent years building it up as some sort of utopia for racists.
TheOther 5 | 3,786
22 Nov 2013  #14
Many of the Polish bars and nightclubs in the Chicago land area are disappearing as their "customers" have returned to the homeland for a better life.

They have to close their doors because their old customer base is dying. The young PolAms are either not interested or have left Chicago for the coast. There might even be two or three who actually moved to Poland... ;)
Jardinero 1 | 407
22 Nov 2013  #15
There are always those returning, not only from the US, but also Canada, UK and Ireland. But are the numbers high enough to call it a trend? Probably not (I haven't seen any numbers). And when compared with the outward immigration/migration, it would most certainly be insignificant. It appears that the majority of those returning from the US are in their retirement years, yet I personally know several families in their 30,s who have moved back after many years in the US, Canada and UK within the last 2-3 years. So with such small numbers returning, it is all about individual circumstances and preferences.
Jendrek
22 Nov 2013  #16
Very insteresting point. I too have seen an outpour of Poles from the New York area.

And Delphomine-you really should calm down with your insults. People that come from the US and Canada will contribute to Poland's prosperity, which I really doubt you really contribute anything-just hatred and vile anger....
delphiandomine 83 | 17,669
22 Nov 2013  #17
People that come from the US and Canada will contribute to Poland's prosperity, which I really doubt you really contribute anything-just hatred and vile anger....

Contribute? Most of them don't last - they soon realise that it's much harder to adapt to the European way of living than they first imagined. Then add in a liberal dose of the Slavic passion for nonsense and you soon have a climate that drives a lot of people away quickly.

As I said, I'd give him two years before selling up (at a loss) and going back home.
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
22 Nov 2013  #18
Many Poles moved out of Chicago to other parts in the US.

There's good and bad parts in any major city. It depends what he does for a living white or blue collars jobs, with the later it's gotten worse. Even union's take in anyone who's willing to work for less or give more of an output for their buck. I think the majority of people moving back are retirees or younger entrepreneurs who saved money in the US and wanna open up a business in Poland.
Harry
22 Nov 2013  #19
" There's good and bad parts in any major city."
Clearly you've never been to Radom, a city which only looks good via a bombsight.
InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
22 Nov 2013  #20
Clearly you've never been to Radom, a city which only looks good via a bombsight.

I had no idea what a bombsight was until I just looked it up, because I reckoned it unlikely you'd make a spelling error.

So, just discovered it's some sort of aiming device from an over-flying (bomber) aircraft, as opposed to a bombsite which is the result of bomb damage.
TheOther 5 | 3,786
22 Nov 2013  #21
Slavic passion for nonsense

:)
f stop 25 | 2,513
22 Nov 2013  #23
Radom? That bad? My cousin and her family lives there. I don't remember anything remarkable about it, good or bad, but back then I didn't pay attention to architechture. :)

In pictures now I see lovely old buildings on Żeromskiego..
delphiandomine 83 | 17,669
22 Nov 2013  #24
I don't think he is rude, he is presenting you the official policy of Peło government, we should be thankful.

There's a rule against changing names here.

Whose airforce has been looking at Radom thru bombsights?

The Polish, I imagine.
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
23 Nov 2013  #25
Clearly you've never been to Radom

f stop:
I tried Chicago, New York, Miami, before I gave up on big metropolitan areas. As poverty increases, many urban centers in US

I was talking about the US
BBman - | 344
24 Nov 2013  #26
Those expecting to find something extraordinary in Poland are likely to be bitterly disappointed, especially if they've spent years building it up as some sort of utopia for racists.

People returning to Poland after being away for many years are not expecting anything extraordinary (though many are amazed with the changes). Poles here often talk about both the positive and negative things about Poland and comparisons with Canada are common. I've heard of several Poles move back to Poland from Canada, actually talked to a couple. It seems like they go back for a variety of reasons: to be with family, business ventures, get more bang for their buck in retirement, early retirement, sometimes their occupations allow it...
Siloo Kapadia
17 Nov 2016  #27
I myself know of at least 2-3 Poles in USA that packed up and left USA for Poland, and others that have gone to other locations in Europe. Let's face it, USA is f$#ked! Things there have been getting worse year after year. Poland has however improved. And knowing Polish people, most are not content to sit t home on public assistance. If that is their goal then perhaps staying in America is best. The Polish people we knew are hard-working honest people who take pride in their work an I truly respect them!

For us, we were from India and lived in USA for 20 years and each year it got worse and finally we left and are now in Singapore. We wanted to go back to India but there are so many other Indians and Indian-Americans doing the same thing that the competition was fierce for a good job. (My husband is an IT pro BTW.)

So I totally agree with those Poles that return. USA is only going to get worse, regardless of who is president there. I expect that their government will only move to make it harder to get your assets out and to physically leave.


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