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Havok 10 | 912
15 Nov 2010 #451
I've noticed, no one ever apologizes here, except plastic Polacks I guess.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
15 Nov 2010 #452
Ah, Havok, I like you posts to be honest, you have a good sense of humour and you're a bit mad (like the rest of us) but you seem to have a little chip on your shoulder when it comes to Poland. Hell if that was my only fault, I'd be happy :)
Havok 10 | 912
15 Nov 2010 #453
And what basis is your opinion on?

I base my opinion on reports from average Polish people

also, i would like to add that 50% of Polish registered votters did not vote, how else wold you interpret this fact?

You keep throwing that up

well, because you seem to ignore the facts and just rant about something irrelevant, I'm not sure how else can I reason with you? Would you listen if I made the Giant Jesus speak up and tell you the same thing?

but you seem to have a little chip

nah, I don't, some people here are just annoying, that's all
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
15 Nov 2010 #454
I base my opinion on reports from average Polish people

Are there many average Polish people in Texas?

also, i would like to add that 50% of Polish registered votters did not vote, how else wold you interpret this fact?

According to Voting and Regristration Data - US Census 2008, the United States of America voter turnout was 58%.

United States 54%***
Poland 51%

***Only Congressional elections held the same year as presidential ones.
Turnout rates for off-year elections are approximately 10-15 percentage
points lower than the general election immediately preceding it.

ignore the facts

I live here not you.

just rant about something irrelevant

You're into projecting, how's that workin out for ya?
So cut to the chase, when and why did you leave Poland or are you of Polish extraction?
Havok 10 | 912
16 Nov 2010 #455
Let me ask you a question too, SeanBM.

Why do you speak English here and admire American culture while still living in Poland?

Bill Hicks, really? This made me laugh at loud when i saw it in your profile.

He's got a cool message though, I'll give you that.

it's just a ride, and we can change it any time we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings and money, a choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your door, buy guns, close yourself off.

You my friend are truly an envious person and a hypocrite. and you're a silly poser!

Go ahead and start another thread in Polish and see if i care.

You cherish everything about the US, cloths, the music, and the culture while living in your homeland, but then you log in to PF day after day and call Polish-Americans plastic. LMAO

You're so pathetic kid...

You're into projecting, how's that workin out for ya?
So cut to the chase, when and why did you leave Poland or are you of Polish extraction?

I'll keep you guessing.
landora - | 199
16 Nov 2010 #456
again, I found your response very bitter and condescending. I'm not sure what triggers that.

Where is my response bitter or condescending?? Isn't writing "we carry Poland in our hearts, unlike the Poles in the country" not condescending? I wonder...

So asking someone to study to become a lawyer is considered to be naive in Poland? Hmm, ok

No, saying that one has to be a lawyer to make a change and defining lawyers as "helping the poor and unhappy" is naive.

What do you do in your everyday work than?

I'm a garden designer :) But that's completely irrelevant, even a cleaner can make a difference, as long and she's working to the best of her abilities.

Question, why it's too late for you to study? are you about to die?

I hope not. But I'd be well over 30 by the time I'd finish, and closer to 40 by the time I was allowed to work on my own. I've already received my education - don't need or want to study any more. I also find law studies incredibly boring.

You’re vicious, unreasonable, rude, and very close-minded and my standards are - basically the opposite

Funny. Give me examples of me being rude or vicious. And that's not me who's close-minded here :D
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
16 Nov 2010 #457
You assume way too much, I am not Polish.
Sandman 3 | 28
16 Nov 2010 #458
The corruption is mentioned as the major contributing factor for the decline.

Huh? Transparency Int'l says corruption in Poland is dropping every year, with a particularly big jump in 2009. Poland's position on the worldwide corruption list: 2007 - 61, 2008 - 58, 2009 - 49 (higher position= less corruption).

transparency.org
Teffle 22 | 1,321
16 Nov 2010 #459
Poland's position on the worldwide corruption list: 2007 - 61, 2008 - 58, 2009 - 49 (higher position= less corruption).

In European terms, it's still bad though. Not exactly sharing reputable company around those rankings.
convex 20 | 3,978
16 Nov 2010 #460
It's doing better than all its neighbors except Germany, and is perceived as being less corrupt than Italy. Top 20% of nations globally is not sharing reputable company? What kind of candyland do you come?
Teffle 22 | 1,321
16 Nov 2010 #461
doing better than all its neighbors

Sounds like damning with faint praise to me.

perceived as being less corrupt than Italy

LOL now that's really damning with faint praise!

20% of nations globally is not sharing reputable company?

Nestling alongside countries like Costa Rica, Cape Verde, Lithuania - no, I would not call that reputable.

Look, I'm not criticising but let's not get carried away that corruption levels in Poland are low enough not to be concerned about if doing business.

Top 20% globally certainly isn't terrible, but still.
Sandman 3 | 28
16 Nov 2010 #462
In 2009 Poland was ranked 35th in "Best Countries for Business" by comparison, now Poland is ranked as 70th. The corruption is mentioned as the major contributing factor for the decline.

Hold on there, Bubba, I think you need a remedial class in basic statistics. You're comparing two separate lists, created by two separate organizations (Forbes and World Bank) using different algorithms. That's a big no-no, you know. This is Poland's position on the same list in 2008 & 2009:

World Bank's Doing Business: 2011 - 73, 2010 - 70 (up 3 places)
Forbes' Best Countries for Business: 2008 - 33, 2009 - 35 (down 2 places)

doingbusiness.org/data/exploreeconomies/poland

forbes.com/lists/2008/6/biz_bizcountries08_Best-Countries-for-Business_Rank_2.html

forbes.com/lists/2010/6/best-countries-10_Best-Countries-for-Business_Rank_2.html
convex 20 | 3,978
16 Nov 2010 #463
Nestling alongside countries like Costa Rica, Cape Verde, Lithuania - no, I would not call that reputable.

Yes, because god knows it's just payoffs and protection rackets in those countries. Or wait, I meant old people and retirement clubs..

Anyway, I run my main business in one of those uber-corrupt neighboring countries. Have done for almost 7 years now. I don't notice much of a difference between running a company there and in Germany other than the cost of doing business in Germany is a bit higher. Auditing is the same, accounting is the same, permits are pretty much the same. I'm not sure that anyone competent would shy away from doing business in any EU member country now a days...
Teffle 22 | 1,321
16 Nov 2010 #464
Yes, because god knows it's just payoffs and protection rackets in those countries

uber-corrupt

Well I never said that but I would have reservations, yes.
convex 20 | 3,978
16 Nov 2010 #465
Nestling alongside countries like Costa Rica, Cape Verde, Lithuania - no, I would not call that reputable.

What do you consider disreputable about the business climate in these countries (and Poland for that matter)?
Teffle 22 | 1,321
16 Nov 2010 #466
Well, could be mere bias on my part, and perhaps a little unfair, but 20 years in a commercial environment and advice from those more experienced than I am has led me to believe there are likely to be problems re for example, credit and/or attempts to bypass regulations if dealing with:

Central/South America
Former Eastern bloc countries
Africa generally
Italy
Greece

Others too obviously but they have tended to be irrelevant, business wise, as far as we are concerned.
convex 20 | 3,978
16 Nov 2010 #467
credit and/or attempts to bypass regulation

What problems with credit? If anything, credit is easier to access here than in Western countries. What do you mean by attempts to bypass regulations? The perception seems to be based on business practices of the 90s instead of the situation on the ground today.

You forgot to add Central and Southwest Asia and the Middle East to your list...
Sandman 3 | 28
16 Nov 2010 #468
Not exactly sharing reputable company around those rankings.

Among its Central Euro pals Poland is doing quite well: Hungary - 46, Poland - 49, Czech Republic - 52, Slovakia - 56 (lower number=better). I wouldn't call the above bunch "disreputable".
Teffle 22 | 1,321
16 Nov 2010 #469
What problems with credit?

I meant credit in the sense that we won't get paid!

What do you mean by attempts to bypass regulations?

Difficult to give actual examples without being too specific but I'm talking about being asked to post or predate documents, being asked to classify products so they will attract less customs attention, things like that.

Actually Convex, I think we are talking about slightly different things anyway: you about doing business in these countries, me about doing business with these countries.
convex 20 | 3,978
16 Nov 2010 #470
you about doing business in these countries, me about doing business with these countries.

You're talking about doing business with me...that makes it even more interesting :)

Contract law is easy to enforce over here in the wild East. Like I said, the perception seems to be that Poland (and the east in general) is still like it was in the 90s. You can see that in the "corruption perception index" :)
Teffle 22 | 1,321
16 Nov 2010 #471
corruption perception index

Yes, fair enough. And I did mention unfair bias too.

But the examples I mentioned I have experienced myself - recently.
Havok 10 | 912
16 Nov 2010 #472
Hold on there, Bubba

You're right. I'm sorry. I slapped together two unrelated statistics from my previous thread about business.
All I can tell you at this point is that I learn and adapt. I want to be like them real Polish people, you see?

Everyone seems to be doing this on PF and no one says anything. It’s about time someone started verifying all the fax here. Why did you have to start with me though?
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
25 Nov 2010 #473
being asked to classify products so they will attract less customs attention, things like that.

Heck, even the Swiss try that game!

You should see the lengths that the Swiss go to in order not to pay customs duty.

But anyway, dodging a few taxes doesn't mean much. I don't do it, but if it's Poles doing the dodging, well, their call.

On the other hand, nothing is worse than "Polacks" who come to Poland to work cash-in-hand in language schools. Not only do they patronise people, but they evade tax too - and live here illegally!
MediaWatch 10 | 945
25 Nov 2010 #474
The worst thing is having Russkies coming to Poland and distorting their identity.
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
25 Nov 2010 #477
I just looked at my passport, says "British Citizen".

Odd. The place of birth is also in Scotland.

Very strange.
MediaWatch 10 | 945
25 Nov 2010 #478
What's also odd and very strange is how somebody who claims to be a "British Citizen" and "from Scotland" is so sensitive about anything said about the Russians.
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
28 Nov 2010 #479
So - why hasn't one Polack commented on the list of Polacks that I provided?

This must surely be as offensive as it gets, no?

/Polock-Johnnys.gif - POLOCK!

Or is it just like others, choosing to be "selectively" offended by things?
MediaWatch 10 | 945
28 Nov 2010 #480
So - why hasn't one Polack commented on the list of Polacks that I provided?

I dunno. Maybe they only want to comment on Russkies? ;)


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