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Why can't unemployed Polish people on benefits just leave UK and go home please?


szczecinianin 4 | 345
2 Dec 2013  #211
people are talking either about evil foreigners and too much of them and some underclass in British society or about laziness as a leading characteristic of the British working class.

I, personally, have posted neither opinion.
jon d
14 Jan 2014  #212
You are right mate they can do no wrong and as far as im concerned send em packing. Make their government pay for it as well.
icdteagle
15 Jan 2014  #213
Poles and other foreigners won't go home because they receive better benefits in the UK? These people are just parasites they will milk our country for what they can get, and when it has gone they will move onto another country.... Enoch Powell hit the problem square on the face in his speech?....
jon357 63 | 14,124
15 Jan 2014  #214
Not as simple as that, I'm afraid.

If you had no income whatsoever, no benefits, no hope in life, you'd travel to a nearby country where there's workable and a safety net as quick as you could. And a certain amount of the prosperity of Western Europe is because Eastern Europe was trapped under a particular economic system for decades.

Enoch, by the way, was wrong.
bluesfan - | 85
15 Jan 2014  #215
Poles and other foreigners won't go home because they receive better benefits in the UK?

No, it's because they work here.

These people are just parasites they will milk our country for what they can get, and when it has gone they will move onto another country

I assume you're talking about this generation of unemployed British chavs and UKIP voters...

Enoch Powell

Sound like he's your hero...
Wroclaw Boy
15 Jan 2014  #216
These people are just parasites they will milk our country for what they can get, and when it has gone they will move onto another country

They wont because this would likely be there home by then, your stance is an extremely ignorant one, its not your fault though, you have been subliminally manipulated by government propaganda and these (governments) are the true culprits.

All i can say to you icdteagle, is put yourself in an extremely poor persons shoes, people with no hope, you would do the same given similar environments, we all would. Show empathy my friend. Don't be a parrot for the government, be a humanitarian and speak up for humanity.

If you want to blame somebody or something blame the social systems that governs all of us.
icdt eagle
15 Jan 2014  #217
Ok sorry for my comments earlier. Let me rephrase? If foreign workers pay into the system through work, then yes I believe it fair to pay them benefits, when inbetween employment. but on the other hand those who enter the country without employment should pay there own way and not be entitled to benefits until they start paying taxes through employment. Personally I think that they should have employment waiting for them before they enter the country. To bluesfan can you please explain to me why ukip are getting more and more peoples backing?. I think that this country should now start thinking of its own unemployed youth, and before anyone says that old chestnut "british people don't want to work" It's a load of rubbish. It may have been true in the 70s early 80s but times have changed.
milky 13 | 1,657
15 Jan 2014  #218
It may have been true in the 70s early 80s but times have changed.

explain?

No, it's because they work here.

and they earn 4 times more than in booming Poland
Ironside 48 | 9,744
16 Jan 2014  #219
the other hand those who enter the country without employment should pay there own way and not be entitled to benefits until they start paying taxes through employment.

You are yet another ill informed poster from a long line of visually or otherwise impaired posters; we have a blind eagle among us now, Semper Fi! hooray! . If you want to debate the issue you should first do a basic research. Not listen to hearsay and rubbish and gossip like ignorant washerwomen.
icdt eagle
17 Jan 2014  #220
ignorance is sometimes bliss...
Meathead 5 | 470
29 Mar 2014  #221
If you want to blame somebody or something blame the social systems that governs all of us.

There is no reason for England to encourage Eastern European immigration, as it's not like there's a labor shortage. If you're poor English you get a roof over your head (Counsel housing), the NHS, a bit for food and a little left over to have a pint at the pub and not a pence more. The English Elite have effectively emasculated its working class. There's little wonder why England has some of the highest emigration rates.
Waldek
3 Aug 2015  #222
I am the owner of a prominent, multi-million pound company in the UK. I employ hundreds of staff and unfortunately, I have statistical proof that Polaks are the most difficult group that I employ. Polaks will not integrate, are inherent liars, have a superiority complex and are ungraciously thankless for the continued handouts awarded them by this good country. I would be very happy to see Poland ejected from the EU, or indeed the UK leave the EU in order to prevent Polaks from soiling this good country any further.
Lyzko 23 | 6,529
4 Aug 2015  #223
So far as I've observed, it's the polar (no pun intended) opposite of Western and Northern Europe! Here, it's up to the individual firm if and even how much unemployment they choose to pay out. Furthermore, since Reagan, the laws which are still supposedly "on the books" are rarely, if ever, seriously enforced. Inequality reigns supreme at every level of society. If you're unemployed, but the [former] employer claims to be able to show cause why said applicant was let go, well uh-, yer up s****s creek without a paddle, buster!
jon357 63 | 14,124
4 Aug 2015  #224
Waldek seems untypical (and frankly a bit suspect). Usually employers are impressed with their Polish staff. And most prefer to work than claim benefits.

You get good and bad everywhere, however people who go to another country for a better life tend to have a bit of get up and go about them.
tictactoe
4 Aug 2015  #225
Well there you go.

What was wrong with employing English people or Scottish, or if you must, Welsh folk !. It's your own fault, I hear what you are saying all the time. I gave a Pole a job and now they're starting trouble, well sack them then.

Quit whining ! its your own fault.
Marsupial - | 888
4 Aug 2015  #226
The only company waldek runs is the one in his dreams.
NocyMrok
4 Aug 2015  #227
I work in the UK constantly for almost a decade and night-shifts exlusively for the last 9 months while claiming no benefits at all. Could all of the lazy forever-between-jobs Brits leave UK? I'd like to see my taxes go to NHS and maybe for some kids that need help instead of those scum-parasites?
tictactoe
4 Aug 2015  #228
Wouldn't it be easier for you to leave since the Brits are accomadateing you.

Germany is a good country for work and close to Poland, France is also good.

You wouldn't have to put up with those lazy-forever-in between-jobs- Brits ever again and you could be rest assured your tax payments never reached their bone idol hands again.
NocyMrok
4 Aug 2015  #229
Germany ... France is also good.

Can't speak any of these languages on comfortable level so my life in these countries would be not much but working. Did live and worked in Germany for three months and that was the case. Anyways my comment was purposely in the tone of the OP.
ryouga 4 | 59
5 Aug 2015  #230
My experiences are mixed though, I have not met many lazy Polish workers but I have met many of them who are arrogant and say comments like "all British people are lazy" and basically say its survival of the fittest and its ok for them to have 2 or 3 jobs whilst UK born people have no work.

I come from a family that was on benefits as father became seriously ill when I was a child so I learned you have to work hard for everything, in my home town area they fired ALL the UK staff and now hire exclusively Polish and the mangement themselves complained because the owners told them they had to learn Polish as none of the workers spoke English! Which I find disgusting that they came to UK and cant even speak basic English, I think that should be a requirement to live here, and despite many Polish builders and such being hard workers they do terrible quality of work as it feels like its more get the job done rather than put love and care into their work.

Where I live now has a large Polish population so I have gone into the Jobcentre and EVERY time I go in I hear MORE Polish names called out than British! And when they are sitting down its strange they speak in English to everybody but the staff how they are getting free money(maybe they are just doing that to troll)

It says a lot when I see more Polish unemployed in my local area than Asian when theres just about the same amount of Asian people here.

And almost every Polish person I know who runs a business is doing tax fraud or using friends addresses as a business.

Sorry if that sounds like an attack its not meant to be.

By the way why is it ok to attack British people on benefits? It's a small amount of a large amount of genuine claimants but the media likes to focus on them and the ones who are on drugs or drink are easily noticable, you wouldnt know who is on benefits otherwise without getting to know them.

I think the benefits argument for immigrants though is a tough one, if you let them claim all benefits then some will just take advantage, it seems to happen a lot in the South people come across and bring relatives across for free healthcare then go back home, I can understand someone wanting a better life but when you have people born and bred here that cannot get support so why should people born and raised here get nothing whilst immigrants get something, I myself am disabled and have had my benefits cut over the last 2 years so I no longer get a carer and they are trying to force me onto jobseekers (I am happy to work but need support when working)

In a ideal world everyone would be looked at seperate be they immigrant or born here but thats impossible.

My downstairs Polish neighbour whom I like and are the nicest people you would meet and nicer than many people born here have lived here under 5 years but have a 2 and a half year old child which they get benefits for(but they do work) That is a bit cheeky I think as they havent been living here long and other people have low incomes and no support.
tictactoe
5 Aug 2015  #231
Blame the government !! They're the ones doing this and WHATEVER you do, if Corbyn wins the Labour leadership, dont ever vote Labour and get him as PM. That would be the worst thing ever !.
jon357 63 | 14,124
5 Aug 2015  #232
if Corbyn wins the Labour leadership, dont ever vote Labour and get him as PM. That would be the worst thing ever !.

Some people see him as a kind of an Alex Tspiras which he isn't. Whether he gets elected as Labour leader or not (and the other candidates are lacklustre) won't have any material effect on Polish or other EU people claiming benefits - none of the candidates for Labour leader, and none of the other party leaders support removing the access that EU citizens have to welfare. Cameron has talked about it but has done nothing. Most Poles don't claim unemployment benefit anyway - they came to Britain to work and earn some money.
tictactoe
5 Aug 2015  #233
I don't give two craps about EU citizens and benefit claims. The guy is crazy idiot ( Corbyn ) nationalise this and that have massive tax rates. The public sector is a joke and it wastes money like ive never seen, I know I worked in it. I am more worried about the damage he does to the country with his socialist and Marxist views. And no I don't want to see another Tory government.

As for saying most Pole's don't claim benefits and come to work in the UK to and earn money is a generalisation. Some do come to work, some also come to sit idol, get drunk and claim the dole.
jon357 63 | 14,124
5 Aug 2015  #234
nationalise this and that have massive tax rates.

Most people support renationalising railways and to a point utilities. The income from that would make a more dignified benefits system - the danger with that though is that not just Poles (in fact mostly not Poles) but others from poorer parts of the EU will be attracted to it.

The public sector is a joke and it wastes money like ive never seen, I know I worked in it.

Same here though that has changed a bit from the old days.

As for saying most Pole's don't claim benefits and come to work in the UK to and earn money is a generalisation. Some do come to work, some also come to sit idol, get drunk and claim the dole.

Very very few I think. Corbin talks about revitalising the North in which case there would be far less unemployment though this is I think an empty promise.

One thing we forget is that the Poles came thinking (hoping) they'd get proper jobs and so many ended up doing agency work, being dumped half way through the week. This is where the benefits system does actually kick in and yes, it's your tax money subsidising those employers. Poles are being exploited too.

BTW, I support Andy Burnham not Corbyn. None of the candidates have mentioned Poles in low wage jobs and agency work, or having to resort to the dole. I'd be interested in the candidates' real views.
tictactoe
5 Aug 2015  #235
Its just the same for Brits Jon with agencies. A guyI know got a job through an agency working for Argos, goes, does a days work and then told we will call you each day with the hrs you will work but it will be a min of 8 hrs a week !!! He didn't say that at the interview. People regardless of nationality get screwed over in the UK big time now.

I agree with the benefit thing. The thing is, we are now apart of the EU and its old politics for a new age, it isn't viable now but reducing the cost of energy would be good, am not so sure about British Rail returning with all the strikes.

As for the North, its just rubbish. They all appeal to the poor in the north for votes but never ever help. Look at the pit villages, they vote Labour time after time and yet nothing ever changes for them.

I don't know the answer, the UK is a country that isn't very nice these days. A person signing on and fiddling to earn a bit extra goes to prison for say 1k of government money, yet old Camerons father in law gets 500k a yr and Ian Ducan Smith gets 1.5 ml a yr in government subs, both land owners, makes my blood boil ! just who is fiddling who ?.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,665
5 Aug 2015  #236
just who is fiddling who ?.

Exactly.
All this anti benefits hysteria has been whipped up by the government in order to divert attention away from their own 'expenses' claims and from big business paying zero income tax in the UK.

We have to rise above it.
Apart from that, in general Polish people tend to be workers, not benefits claimants.
Tamarisk
5 Aug 2015  #237
Job agencies whether for British people or immigrants are terrible. They take advantage of people and should be abolished.
tictactoe
5 Aug 2015  #238
Agencies used to be good but not any more. You could earn alot of money working through an agency, I had a few jobs with them in the past and it was good.

Not now, with increased migration they could offer any wage and someone would do it. So they ended up screwing people over with zero hr contracts and no have a crap reputation, but once they were where the money was.
Vox - | 175
5 Aug 2015  #239
here under 5 years but have a 2 and a half year old child which they get benefits for(but they do work) That is a bit cheeky I think as they havent been living here long and other people have low incomes and no support.

I can see your logic, after all they came to Britain to work and pay taxes to support British people with low incomes.
@wladek

I would be very happy to see Poland ejected from the EU, or indeed the UK leave the EU in order to prevent Polaks from soiling this good country any further

I'm sure you would, scum.
@tictactoe

As for saying most Pole's don't claim benefits and come to work in the UK to and earn money is a generalisation

Nope, it is data from the 2011 census.

The public sector is a joke and it wastes money like ive never seen,

Since privatization of the BR in1993 fares raised to be the most expensive in Europe. Fares went up well in excess of the inflation for example a one way ticket from London to Manchester has gone up by 208% from £50 in 1995 to £150 today, this is more than three times the rate of the inflation.

In fact east coast railways depend less on public subsidies than any of the 15 privately run franchises. The franchise become a cash cow for the state bringing in around £ 100 millions to the exchequer since 2009.

According to 2013 report over £ 300 millions (taxpayers money) was forked out on the five most expensive rail companies between 2007 and 2011 alone. You were saying?
tictactoe
5 Aug 2015  #240
Fair enough, renationalise everything and let's also have a socialist government and a cabinet made up of union leaders.

Yup all Poles come for work to the UK none commit any crime at all, never claim benefits at all and they're the best.

Fair enough I won't argue you are completely right.


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