UK Polonia protesting v German TV series

Not an obsession but a reaction to reality. As I have poitned out GW:
--In any Polish-something row chances are GW will support the other side;
--GW is anti-Cahtolic and will play up any reneagde priest or anythign else that makes the Church look bad;
--GW is blatantly pro-KOR-ite, idealising their cronies from the so-called 'democratic oppositon' to the exlcusion of the truly Polish indepedence-seeking opposition (ROPCiO, KPN)
--GW is blatantly pro-Semitic;
--GW is blatantly pro-deviationist;
--GW is blatantly anti-PiS and pro-PO;
--GW is blatantłly pro-Jaruzelski and you can't get redder than that!
Enough reasons or do you need more?

Redoubt Good Name was established in March of this year under the auspices of the Patriotic Society Jan Pietrzak . It is headed by Maciej Świrski , a member of the expert group of prof. Piotr Glinski , former candidate for Prime Minister of Law and Justice technical government .

In a letter published on the Redoubt Good Name calls for protest against emissions in the BBC production of the German film " Our mothers , our fathers " . Urges that the letter of the same content send forth to the BBC . On the RDI says: " In the event that the BBC blocked receiving emails from our server please also send emails individually with the copied contents of the letter in the English language ."

The Jan Petrzak Patriotic Society is appealing to the Beeb not to broadcast the anti-Polish 'Unsere Mütter, unsere Väter' film. They have addressed the appeal to BBC TV boss Danny Cohen. It'll be interesting to see how somrone with such a surname reacts.

Just one thing about the post above baffles me: why hasn't our American friend also mentioned Mr Cohen's sexuality?

But then I suppose that he did also fail to mention the real reason he hates GW (hint: it's not what they write but who they never asked to write even a word for it).

Anyway, back to the topic, given that some of the AK were virulently and violently anti-semitic, what's the problem with portraying some AK as that? Also, in the TV program, how does the viewer know those resistance members are AK?

Allegations of anti-Semitism and a Jewish-surnamed TV boss could have something in common. If he was a transvestite, paedophile or other devitate that would not be germaine to the topic at hand.


Arms-bands with the letters AK predominantly display would have made that allegation clear even to a retarded ape.


Who pray tell are you referring to?

It is not an allegation that some members of the AK were virulently and violently anti-semitic: it is a statement of pure fact.

As for the armbands, that's the first I've heard of those; are they confirmed?

As for the man who can't get over the fact that GW have rejected all his requests to write for them, well, neither GW or he are the topic of this thread, so we'd better not discuss them.

Indeed, what does this have to do with the British Polonia or the anti-AK film? But if you know whose applcations the GW has rejected, you must be really well-connected with the post-judaeo-commie Michnik clique.

And rmemeber, in 'Między panem a plebanem' Michnik openly spoke of his żydokomunistyczne roots.


The point is the only reference to the AK in the entire film was in part 3, and there the anti-Semitic connection was the main identifying factor. The railway scene was the most powerful: the AK wanted to free prisoners locked in cattle trucks but when they saw they were Jews they relocked the doors. What impression will someone hearing about the AK for the first time come away with? O yeah, that band of Polsih anti-Semites! That's like saying all Jews were commies. Quite of few of them were, BUT NOT ALL!

I wonder if this is based on facts?

no, it's not

look, none of us can really tell whether it is or not. We know, that it certainly wasn't something that was happening on a regular basis but we can't say that it never happened at all. During a war, people tend to act differently than they usually do and sometimes do things that they wouldn't do in any other situation. My question was about this particular scene and not about the actions of the AK in general.

How is it anti-AK to tell the truth about them? Most of them weren't virulently anti-semitic but some of them were. Even other members of the AK reported members of the AK murdering Jews; the AK executed its own members for murdering Jews.

Remember, the same ones who shout about this are the same ones who have the disgrace to whistle and jeer in front of those real AK veterans.

They don't care about the AK in the slightest, they only care about their own agenda. If they respected the AK so much, they would be the first to stop those disgraceful idiots every year at the Warsaw Uprising commemoration. Could it be that - shock - they're politically motivated?

You've answered your one leading question. If most were not virulatnetly anti-Semitic, then why highlight only that one minority view as the one thing the unseasoned viewer will come away with?

The AK also executed szmalcownicy who extorted Jewish porperty, but somehow that is conveniently absent from the scenario.

OK, you do have a point. It would be more appropriate to show more common actions of the AK and not something that happened rather rarely.

Rarely? You may wish to note what actually happens in the story: the AK do not harm the Jews, they simply do not help the Jews. That was the norm. Some Poles risked their lives to save Jews, some Poles collaborated with the Nazis to kill Jews (or murdered Jews themselves), most Poles neither helped nor harmed Jews.

You might also wish to note that liberating a train-load of Jews who would be hunted harder and be harder to hide (were those Jews even Polish?) was a very different proposition to freeing gentile Poles. Frankly, those fictional AK probably made the right call from the 'greater good' viewpoint.

I'll let you continue this fight with our Polish friends on PF. Not gonna pursue finding out the truth on here, whatsoever.

Let's turn things around and ask how Jews related to Poles in the one-half of Poland annexed by Stalin in 1939? Did they help, harm or ingore the Poels captured by the Soviets during the nearly two-year 1939-1941 period? And Jews there in that period were in a much better position than Poles in the General Governorship? Many of them joiend the Soviet occupation authorities, NKVD, Red Army, people's guard, etc.

Hey look at that! Another thread on PF that initially had nothing to do with Jews is all of a sudden bombarded with anti-Semitism.

Are you saying that PF is some kind of a Jew magnet?

You should know already that there's only one race - the human race!

If you and others stopped all this nonsense talk about "Jewish this" and "Jewish that" then you wouldn't get an ulcer over things you call "anti-Semitism."

Thanks in advance for agreeing with me.

So even asking a simple quesiton as to the attiude of Jews in Soviet-occupied eastern Poland towards Poles in 1939-41 is anti-Semtiism. If someone feels the Palestinians are being oppressed or dislikes gefilte fish, that does make also him na anti-Semite?

BTW that is germaine to this thread, because the Polonian and Polish protest against the series had to do with ascribing anti-Semitism to the AK.

We could do that, or we could turn it around again and as how Jews were treated in Poland from 1918 to 1939. Were they helped or harmed by events such as the Lwow pogrom? Did the introduction on limits for the numbers of Jews at universities and mandatory 'ghetto benches' help or hurt interbellum race relations in Poland? Did Jews benefit from or suffer as a result of the boycotts of their businesses organised by Polish government members such as Dmowski? Did Jews benefit from or suffer as a result of being barred from being lawyers or doctors? Did the Polish government try to help or harm Jews by refusing to admit Polish citizens (who just happened to be Jews) into Poland? Shall we discuss all that or shall we just stick to the topic of this thread?

Let's just stick to the topic of this thread.


Given that some of the AK were most certainly virulently and violently anti-semtic, what's the problem with portraying some AK members as being virulently and violently anti-semtic? Not that the AK members in this TV program were that.

most of the stuff yoylu listed happened after marshall pilsydzkis death, in the last four years before the war.
i would like tovknow Jews were treated as they were??
is it not true that the biggest ethnic minority in the seconfmd republuc didnt want assymiliate?
is it not true that they had a hard time giving jobs to poles.
as you would say, the faukt lays always on both sides.

lets stick to the topic harry.

Some did, most didn't. Just as some gentile Poles were anti-semitic, but most were not.


I do like the way that you end an entirely off-topic post with a plea to stick to the topic.

If you'd like to discuss the topic, perhaps you can tell us, given that some of the AK were most certainly virulently and violently anti-semtic, what the problem is with portraying some AK members as being virulently and violently anti-semtic?

and some afro americans were in kkk.
and probably there is a square planerlt.
and probably blah blah...

why do u say "we" do you have some psychotic problems lol.

maybe first we should porttlray them as heroes?

Polo, dig up!

Harry's winning this thread by miles. Funny how he knows Polish history better.

"We" could turn it around and ask how all that matters unless you are claiming that the Home Army has been an antisemitic organization devoted mainly to killing the Jews.


Given your extraordinary sensitivity to the plight of the Jews and a fact that some members of Jewish community were most certainly violently murderous, I gather you wouldn't have a problem with portraying some members of Jewish community as being virulently and violently murderous bandits.


Yes let's.
If somebody want to protest just let him go along with it.

Of course I'm not, and I'm happy to point out the errors of anybody who did want to do that.


No problem at all (provided that the portrayal is not of actually Jews who were not that).

They were treated a hell of a lot better than in other countries. Poadn accepts thousands of Jews feeling Nazi Germany. By the late 1930s many Poles were fed up with the Jews' unscrupulous economic practices like forcing Poles out of busienss and that triggered a Polish backlash. But on balance, Jews were thrown out of one country after another and the largest number ended up in Poland. Were they all masochists?

So your headline would be "Interbellum Poland: not as bad as Nazi Germany"? Nice one.


You seem to forget that Poland refused to accept thousands of Jewish Poles who were wanted to enter the country.


Including Poland (or have you forgotten what you saw here in 1968?).


Or perhaps Poland is where the tsars said they could live.

The Bielski partisans were accused of war crimes on the neighboring population; particularly for involvement in the massacre of 128 people in the Polish village of Naliboki. They were also charged by Polish officials of numerous cases of armed robbery and looting.

holocaustresearchproject.org/revolt/bielski.html

The film-makers were not interested in the evidence collected by the IPN showing that Jeiwsh bands aided Soviet partisans in the slaughter of the Naliboki Poles.


forum.gazeta.pl/forum/w,52,136125275,136125275,bandy_zydowskie_mordowali_Polakow.html

BTW the well-bankrolled AIPAC and ADL are doing a tremendous job higlighting the slightest whiff of anything that doesn't serve Jewish interests and the Jewish agenda. I doubt if they need the additional assistance of self-appoitned amateurs.

But Poles, Polonians and Catholics are constantly being bashed on PF and the same self-styled Jew-lovers somehow fail to spring to their defence. Could it be that they're biased, horse-blinkered and one-sided? Or maybe even Polonophobic?!

""We" are talking about hypothetical film showing only Jewish bandits.