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Do Poles and EU Citizens exploit the British welfare state


Havok 10 | 903
20 Apr 2011 #31
You however are living in a land stolen from a people

Well, I don't know about you but I currently live in a land pouted by British Petroleum.

I think there is a big difference between Mexicans in the US and Polish in GB. Polish have a right to be there as far as the law is concerned. Many Mexicans come here illegally.
z_darius 14 | 3,965
20 Apr 2011 #32
I ask simply as,living in America you are no better than a german settler in occupied Poland yet you have the nerve to start accussing modern day british people of crimes commited centuries ago....

Centuries ago?
Iran? Iraq? Kosovo?
Man, timeflies. Seems like just a few years ago that scumbag Blair lied to the whole world.

You however are living in a land stolen from a people who were murdered and the few survivors marginalised to this day and yet you talk about empire.

Are you talking about the USA, the land plundered by Brits, who anihilaed so much often native population before they were kicked out by even greedier Brits? Well, I don't live in that disgusting place. I moved out a long time ago. Whenever I go to the US, prolly once a month, it is to an Indian reservation nearby to buy smokes and to support their tax free economy and cassinos. I like them Injuns and I'm glad the Brits didn't manage to kill them all.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,149
20 Apr 2011 #33
Polish workers losing their UK jobs in the economic downturn are choosing not to return home but to stay and take advantage of the generous benefits system.

And... ? You would expect them to move out of the country on the next day after they are made redundant ?
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,368
20 Apr 2011 #34
Unfortunately not only in the UK but in the Netherlands too. That's why the government wants to change the rules and only give benefits to those who speak the Dutch language. And if you don't have a job after three months, you are required to leave the country. Fair enough, I think.

Yes it has been in the news

This has been covered by the press, the below articles are reactions from the EU and and Polish ambassador.

dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2011/02/attitude_to_poles_borders_on_d.php
dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2011/02/eu_warns_the_netherlands_on_po.php
OP sledz 23 | 2,250
20 Apr 2011 #35
And... ? You would expect them to move out of the country on the next day after they are made redundant ?

Ya, the very next day!!! lol

People who go on welfare have a habit of never getting off it. If you lose your job you should receive 6 months of benefits, not a lifetime of food stamps and free housing. After 6 months they should have to do some sort of community service, such as picking up trash along the Hi-way etc... You would be surprised how many people get off the system then!

Of course it doesnt help very much in the USA when you have Illegals sneaking over the border just to have an anchor baby and collect benefits.

Thats one law the US needs to abolish!!
guesswho 4 | 1,278
20 Apr 2011 #36
After 6 months they should have to do some sort of community service, such as picking up trash along the Hi-way etc.

you mean, like in Germany ? :-)

an anchor baby and collect benefits. One law the US needs to abolish!!

really fast too
Havok 10 | 903
20 Apr 2011 #37
Polish have a right to be in GB and collect unemployment benefits. It’s the law over there. If the law is being abused or compromised for some reason, the government should take some kind of corrective actions.

I’m guessing that either you guys vote for the wrong people or the issue is not really high on your Government’s priority list.

There's a substantial difference between illegals here and Polish in GB... So please don’t compare Polish in GB to illegal immigrants in the US!
Midas 1 | 571
20 Apr 2011 #38
Havok

Sure, there's a difference, but one can't blame the Brits if they're pissed off.

The way the system is now, anyone can just jump on a plane in Bielsko Biala or some other shithole, get off in Stansted, then run and collect bennies.

Insane.
convex 20 | 3,930
20 Apr 2011 #39
Sure I can, if you’re so up in arms go ahead and change it or STFU about it.

Bingo. Why aren't any of the parties running on a platform to reform the welfare system?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,149
20 Apr 2011 #40
People who go on welfare have a habit of never getting off it. If you lose your job you should receive 6 months of benefits, not a lifetime of food stamps and free housing. After 6 months they should have to do some sort of community service, such as picking up trash along the Hi-way etc... You would be surprised how many people get off the system then!

In my opinion there should be no public benefits at all. I was just pointing out that If you give people the right to claim them, It's not surprising many actually do that.

Unfortunately it is, more often than not. In february some Pole crashed his car into a house killing both inhabitants. And this is not the only example, I am sorry to say.

I can go on and on and on and on.

Fascinating. Do you want me to post links to news about Dutch pedophiles raping children around thw world ? It wouldn't be a short list.

It's just that these geezers are on the news half of the time giving Poles a bad name. Well done ... well done.

I really love It. When Polish media say that for example Gypsies are stealing a lot, immediately some "expat" or some other homo publish it here as a proof of Polish nationalism/xenophobia/Catholic fascism etc. when Poles are on the opposite side... well It's all their fault of course even If that some stuff about eating stuff or some other nonsense.
Matyjasz 2 | 1,544
21 Apr 2011 #41
People who go on welfare have a habit of never getting off it. If you lose your job you should receive 6 months of benefits, not a lifetime of food stamps and free housing. After 6 months they should have to do some sort of community service, such as picking up trash along the Hi-way etc... You would be surprised how many people get off the system then!

It's not the polish immigrants that should be the adresee of your list of greviences, but the government body that actually sets the rules in GB. I mean, just like Grzegorz already pointed out, you don't abuse a systrem if you are entitled for the benefits. I guess that because of the american problem with illegal mexicans you have a chip on your shoulder when it comes to immigrants.
shewolf 5 | 1,077
21 Apr 2011 #42
I mean, just like Grzegorz already pointed out, you don't abuse a systrem if you are entitled for the benefits.

But they do abuse the system in the U.S. when they are entitled to benefits, believe me. California had to create a law so that people who collect welfare to buy food and clothes can no longer use their free money on things like psychics, massages, cruise ships, casinos, etc. because that's what they were doing. Meanwhile, people who work hard all day can't afford to go on cruises and have massages or gamble their money away.
Havok 10 | 903
21 Apr 2011 #43
California had to create a law so that people who collect welfare to buy food and clothes can no longer use their free money on things like psychics, massages, cruise ships, casinos, etc. because that's what they were doing.

Point being is that Californian government noticed the abuse and you've changed the law. If you're still missing the point please re-read my original post ...

GB should do the same, if they feel that their unemployment benefit system is being abused.

To all you Polish in GB:
you jumped in a wishing well, now I wish you well
tell 'em to kiss your ass, call it kiss and tell
Krynski - | 82
21 Apr 2011 #44
One more piece of Polonophobic hate from delusional American idiot calling himself (repulsively) "sledz"? What a hopeless racist cretin.

Facts seem to show it is the British who have been ripping off the Polish and other post-communist migrant workers. And now, after having exploited them to the full, they are kicking them out and attempting to talk into the world (and themselves) that they are doing it because the Poles have been ripping off the British. The top British politicians - Cameron and Miliband - seem to be using the Poles for their own ugly political ends, that is to flatter the voters, to divert the latter's attention from the real British issues (such as the Third World "multiculturalism"), to direct the British rabble's hate at convenient scapegoats, that is the Poles (and other "East Europeans", but the hate seems mostly to hit the Poles, because it is they who are most frequently mentioned by name in the English media). If one looks at the history of Britain one perhaps can find more examples of similar British behavior toward target groups. Didn't the British carry out pogroms of the colored soldiers who fought for Britain in WWI and after the war stayed there?
PlasticPole 7 | 2,648
21 Apr 2011 #45
Bingo. Why aren't any of the parties running on a platform to reform the welfare system?

Because there's not enough jobs in Britain to reform the welfare system.
gghfrf
21 Apr 2011 #46
watch out for the bnp u polish scroungers
Trevek 26 | 1,700
21 Apr 2011 #47
Do Poles and EU Citizens exploit the British welfare state

Of course, they follow the example of the British
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,437
21 Apr 2011 #48
One more piece of Polonophobic hate from delusional American idiot calling himself (repulsively) "sledz"? What a hopeless racist cretin.

puzzler?
Harry
21 Apr 2011 #49
Didn't the British carry out pogroms of the colored soldiers who fought for Britain in WWI and after the war stayed there?

No, they didn't. Want to talk about pogroms in Poland after the end of WWI?
Ironside 53 | 12,357
21 Apr 2011 #50
Want to talk about pogroms in Poland

WTF are you BS about again ?
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,861
21 Apr 2011 #51
Because there's not enough jobs in Britain to reform the welfare system

at last an informed and sensible point....:)

Oh and "Krynski"...Miliband IS Polish BTW...
Trevek 26 | 1,700
21 Apr 2011 #52
Its sounds exactly like our problem with the Illegal Mexicans, but they sneak in!

Bit like the damn Americans who come to Europe and just nip across a border to renew their tourist visa... It's so funny watching them panic as they EU widens and they find themselves deeper and deeper into Schengen and nowhere to just nip over the border to...

Facts seem to show it is the British who have been ripping off the Polish and other post-communist migrant workers.

How about they have been using Polish et al to allow them to rip off their own British workers, who do not have an option about whether to stay or go home? How about the banks etc giving benficial rates to the incomers which long term reasidents and natives of UK can't get?

How about the fact that a section of the Black community in UK saw the influx of Europeans as a deliberate attempt to "re-whiten" UK, whilst denying visas to commonwealth citizens from Africa etc?

Didn't the British carry out pogroms of the colored soldiers who fought for Britain in WWI and after the war stayed there?

Care to give us a link? UK has had non-white communities and citizens for centuries. There have been Arab communites in north England for over a century. We have had non-white MPs for years... And look what happens on this board when Poland has a Black member of the sejm.

I think a better example for you to cite would be the "Polacy go Home" campaign after WW2.

All in all, Britain really must be such a nasty place that all these internationals come to live and work when we keep hearing everywhere else is sooooo much better. Next you'll be telling us the nasty, horrible British are going around with big nets, catching poor, innocent, oh-so-holy foreigners and forcing them to come and work in UK...
Ironside 53 | 12,357
21 Apr 2011 #53
How about

How about moaning about Poles, when in fact they should moan about their own government.
z_darius 14 | 3,965
21 Apr 2011 #54
All in all, Britain really must be such a nasty place that all these internationals come to live and work when we keep hearing everywhere else is sooooo much better. Next you'll be telling us the nasty, horrible British are going around with big nets, catching poor, innocent, oh-so-holy foreigners and forcing them to come and work in UK...

Do you mean these foreigners who are so evidently in love with all things British?
Trevek 26 | 1,700
21 Apr 2011 #55
How about moaning about Poles, when in fact they should moan about their own government.

We do. We only elect a new one because we get bored moaning about the old one.

Do you mean these foreigners who are so evidently in love with all things British?

You are assuming they are foreigners and not British muslims. And yes, if someone is born in UK, I consider them a citizen. However, even if they are foreigners, did UK force them to come? I'm sure they enjoy a right to protest which would have had a few swords swinging back home, as well as all the welfare handouts which Britain wants to give them (thus depriving the Polish of theirs ;-))
David_18 66 | 969
21 Apr 2011 #56
England is being stretched almost to the point of economic collapse, joining the EU is going to be their downfall.

Loot what you can from a sinking ship! I hope more Poles will exploit the British welfare system!
Trevek 26 | 1,700
21 Apr 2011 #57
Well, with all the jobs being shifted from UK to Poland, i reckon more brits will be coming over to try it here.
David_18 66 | 969
21 Apr 2011 #58
Enjoy Polands "welfare system" if you know what i mean ^^
Trevek 26 | 1,700
21 Apr 2011 #59
I sometimes ponder taking Polish nationality and moving to UK...
Havok 10 | 903
21 Apr 2011 #60
as well as all the welfare handouts which Britain wants to give them

Since you giving it away so willingly what's the whole fuss about? Just give it away and shut up


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