How might Britain`s withdrawal from EU affect Poles there and here?

According to Mr Schultz, the president of the European Parliament, it can. But Im sure you already know this.

I think you don't understand Polish system that is "free" and has been "free". The bribe you need to cough up is only if you want to jump a line for some treatments. Dental care is 100% free market economy and is working just fine.

Comparing quality of services is pointless, you can find losts of opinions on the Internet that belies your assumption or experience, some people are complaining about British system some about Polish - both nationalities.

If there is a lesson to be learned from it that would be a fact that regardless inequality in resources (as HS in B has a budget comparable to half income of the Polish state) standards of services in both state financed HS are not a world apart as one would have expected. At least at the level when it comes to the basic services. Not that I think that system in Poland is good or better and everything is fine and dandy. Guess what, they are "straining" too.

That just beside the point. That is all a quite immature my daddy is stronger theme.
I'm saying that American private insurance system is better even with Obama nonsense meddling than any state financed system with ingrained directive of "straining" to function properly.


A fine sentiment. Who is going to pay for it?


Unique in what way? Free healthcare was a standard in the former Soviet block, still is in France, Sweden, Canada and few other countries as well.


Who? Name them! The only time I heard about that famed British free healthcare the envy of all, it was here on PF and from a Brit.


Really? Just like that? Why all the beggars and gypsies from poorer countries didn't move already into Germany, France, Denmark, Sweden and Britain? I mean if that was a case we should see a massive shift in population. What stops them? I doubt that is that simple and governments have much more to day on the issue that they let it on.

Yes just like that. Millions already have. Not up with current events are you.

lol..you are clueless.poles are not entitle for housing benefits if not working-just for starter.only 3 moths of job seeker but only after 6 months of employment and after tuff habitual residence test.ect.

i been working as social worker,i know stuff.there are massive restrictions.thats the thing bout brexit-ppl are clueless and being fed with bs about poles living on benefit hence so many wants out.

Working fine? WTF!

Dental care here is an absolute scandal:(( What the **** are ZUS and taxes for then? If not to contribute to state care for your kids? In the UK we have ZUS too, linked to earnings, and kids' teeth are free or at least subsidised until 18.

My daughter's teeth are absolute A1 - but I had to pay an arm and a leg for such - and it is absolute nonsensical bollocks - to enrich a group of people so they can live the high life? As in the US of A, where dentists earn a fortune?

You really are clueless Ironside on what sacrifices Polish families have to make to bring up their children, so stop acting as if you are in the know.

You don't live here and know fuxck all. Sorry, but it had to be repeated.

Seething.

Calm down Doug you could have chosen to live in the UK , and yes then your kids teeth would have been sorted for free.

Lets hope if the UK stays in the EU then some of the good things like the NHS model will be adopted across the EU

The French model and the German model seem to work better overall....

mafketis Have you tried the German or french A&E as a foreigner ( I have), you have to jump through hoops and fill a load of paperwork out before you get seen to.

In the UK you just walk in and get sorted full stop no questions, no bills cos u is a foreigner.

After care drugs are free you just sign a piece of paper saying you are eligible for free prescriptions, they don't check they just sort you out.

If they do it's gonna play hell on the global economy.
Even though the polls say it ain't gonna happen I personally think those that have made their mind up with their Island mentality to leave, cause they want to get control of their country back, they will go out and vote on Thursday.

Exactly. And in Wales and Scotland all medicine is free for everyone.


This much is true. Basically Brexiteers are the poor voting with the rich becauise they vainly hope some crumbs will fall from the table.

Yup that's it in one. I am a small minded Islander in the poor house and will vote the way you expect, why not, am also a rasict and a fully paid up xenophobic.

I was telling my Ukrainian wife that last night and the Indian village shop owner the same thing the other day, they both agreed.

We're all voting Brexit thanks, aren't we the daring type.

Yes, your posts do make that clear.

Looks at the moment that the vote will be for 'remain' and hopefully it will be the end of that nonsense.

I'm hoping for a Brexit so that the EU can be saved. The leadership (technocrats who understand nothing of history or human nature) is horribly out of touch and needs a slap in the face to bring them back to some semblance of reality.

If the Brexit fails, then expect anti-government insurgencies in some EU countries.... when?

Over/under line - 5 years?

I'm not at all sure that technocrats 'understand nothing'.

To leave the world's largest trading bloc, a group of nation states who came together after a period of appalling instability and have forged Europe's longest period of peace and co-operation would be an act of collective insanity.

Did you read Anthony Beevor's article today?

But that's a very small number Doug. The only Poles who could qualify to vote are those who have British citizenship and that's a tiny percentage. I believe it's around 1%.


Only Irish and Commonwealth citizens living in Britain.

Spot on jon as the United States is the biggest investor in Britain for a reason and that reason is to give the United States access to free trade through Britain to 28 other countries.

You want to jeopardize millions of Americans working for Britain to be cut off and force them to invest in other countries ?
Brexit would effect every country in the world economically with Poland being one of them.
The low information voters better get a clue before they go to the polls of what the long term consequences could be.

This mornings news about it in the U.S.A.
msn.com/en-us/money/markets/%e2%80%98brexit%e2%80%99-could-send-shock-waves-across-us-and-global-economy/ar-AAhgUU6?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U348DHP

Quite. I wish American workers well, however on one level their well-being is no more a reason for most Brits to vote remain than the well-being of factory workers in Britain would motivate most Americans to rush to the polling stations.

Nevertheless, we (the EU, the US, etc) are up against a very strong rival in China and South East Asia and unless we stand shoulder to shoulder neither the workers in Detroit nor in Manchester will have a cat in hell's chance.

Poland, by the way, would be particularly badly affected. They'd be left with food production and little else.

jon, it has been a long time since I have agreed with you but I have to say that I do 100% this time as I think you have just totally nailed it.

There is a lot more to lose than gain.

'Just heard this morning on the news (local NJ Eastern TimeLOL).

Frankly, wasn't surprised at all, though of course quite pleased from a business point of view:-)
I knew those "Brexiteers" were just a bunch of fringies anyhow! They didn't have a chance.

There, you see? Reason won out against stupidity and stubbornness!

Sorry, they do check eligibility for treatment of foreigners in hospital. I saw it happen yesterday. My wife (as nurse) assured me it was a regular occurrence.


Imagine if 30million immigrants had entered the USA completely legally and given free health care, schools and all other benefits. And taken your jobs (not pushed down wages, however). Trump is the USA's 'Island mentality' to USA's 10million recent immigrants.


The belief that there wouldn't be a massive backlash over this was beyond stupid.

That's be awesome, I'd be going

dolno that is simply not true. Even years ago when i was in the maternity wing of a famous London hosp there was a large price list stuck to the wall.

I voted 'Leave'!

Fingers crossed :)

I voted 'Leave'!

Congrats you have a pair, but do you think UK politicians can remember how to run a country by themselves, without guidance from Brussels. Its been a long time since the UK was in a position to rule itself. the house of commons has been all about rubber stamping outside policies for decades, a good earner for many uk politicians and no come back if things go wrong, because it is easy to blame the problems on the EU Bureaucrats.

The UK has clearly voted to Remain, as it was always clear they would. The establishment wins above all - as will ever be so.

The establishment wins above all Deep but probably true .

Well - it HAS changed to being on a knife's edge as of 1.26 PM GMT and it is NOT looking good for Remain at the moment:(((.

Dunno I am looking at bbc , leave has most votes but stay is catching up, I think stay will win it by a nose , farage thinks so too lol.

Well, I will be up all night. should have organised a party:) The stats so far suggest a Leave vote:(

I only woke up for P$ss and a fag, couldn't resist a peek at the early results.

I think Poland is short of 30% funding for its plans this year, I think the EU should give the UK a big bill in the morning and also dump any bad news

Looking forward to getting the polish side of the Berlin motorway fixed... come on stay Poland needs the cash.