How might Britain`s withdrawal from EU affect Poles there and here?

Its quite easy to - just destroy your economy by making it unattractive and nonviable to invest or do business there.

It doesn't require money to be spent - you burn it instead


Its a fall of 20%, not a discount.


Yes, Russia objects to the USA defends Europe. Thank God they do,

The whole world wants a cheaper currency to promote growth. Thats why they have spent trillions printing money. But not all can have a lower currency at the same time given the nature of currency pairs. So its a fruitless business unless you can get it at a lower cost than your neighbour/competitor.

A mark down in the stockmarket but a greater fall in percentage terms in the pound hence a discount in relation to european markets given those are priced in euros. Foreign investors can enjoy the benefit of a fall in the pound and buy more pound priced assets for less than the equivalent euro priced assets.

That's actually quite a significant statement. Some people are indeed motivated by racism.


Very true. It would basically be a victory for darkness.

Really?

And the group he is part of with also want to deport Polish migrants. Important that people of good will stop these clowns.

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Uk residents can look forward to a sharp rise in inflation with the fall of Sterling. 20% was the rise in cost of living from the 2008 crash

Yes Jon, and Sadiq Khan the London Mayor shared a platform several times with known Islamic extremists !! What is your point ?.

And what's yours? He isn't an extremist in any sense and why would 'nothanks' tell such a bare-faced lie?

Sadiq Khan is one of the good guys, as is his part Polish successor in Tooting.

even if hes not radical,god knows who are Muslims gonna vote as next one.point is,indigenous people lost its voting power in their own capital to immigrants.

can anyone be sure,London Muslims wont chose some radical muslim in the future?someone who will demand London to be muslim autonomous caliphate?and then what?civil war?look at kosovo or abhazia ect.

That is actually one of the most bizarre things ever to appear here

whats so bizarre about it?i though its a legitimate concern and quite possible scenario.not saying it would happen soon,but in 10 years.
about half million EE lives in London.if most of them are forced to leave after Brexit and another 600k indigenous people run away(as they did in recent years) from London,that would massively change religious make up of London.making it almost an Islamic province.

as for answering question in the thread title.it might sound strange,but there is chance that Brexit could improve polish people social and economical status in the UK.

better wages for low paid jobs for those who came here to work.of course the real losers will be those who rely on benefits.

Why do you think, even for a second that the Tories would enable better wages for Polish migrants in the unfortunate event of a Brexit?

dunno,doubt Torries have anything to decide regarding better wages.its market regulated thing.less people in sector-means better wages.
employers pay wages money not Torries.
i was in London in 1999 for the first time.it was paradise to work in construction. nowdays is bad cus too many ppl willing to work for pennies

They opposed the minimum wage and the current living wage. Among other things.


Yes, people here in Poland say similar things. I suppose Poles who came to London got the advantage of arriving in a boom and now of course Romania etc changes it. In the end, it will all even out.

Cough. As I said - Poles aiming to vote to keep their brethren, who are not there already, out. Astounding.

whos aiming to vote this?

A lot of Poles who qualify to vote are for Brexit, as my normally reliable Polish pal on the spot asserts. Or can you correct that?

dont know any,
not sure if any non British can qualify vote in this referendum. i only spoke with few guys,and nobody seems to care much.brits cant afford to kick our working people.in construction companies in London there is around 80% of stuff is made of EE.cant imagine what would happened if they all are kicked out.it would be disastrous.

tho one who get hit hardest will be those who rely on walfare and in -work benefits.which will be quite hard in London,cus renting cost is high and many poles on low income rely on housing top ups or tax credits.i dont know if Farage knows whats hes doing.

he says he want to replace poles with Indian doctors,but them doctors wont work in construction or in strawberry fields,neither will brits

Nobody working will be kicked out. Even those without work wont be kicked out, it would be impossible to police. Those fresh entering will have a stay limit of some kind, maybe 6 months, during which they would need to have found a national insurance paying job and fixed abode. Very few of those campaigning brexit have suggested foreigners should be thrown out. It a question of getting a handle of those abusing the welfare system and those planning to arrive on the shores with the plan to abuse.

of course "Brits" will and do work in construction, don't be silly gregy.

i dunno,you see there is not a large numbers of abusers.is it really worth it to leave EU just to crack on few thousands abusers and save lets say 30 milion a year from that clampdown?

i watched many debates with brexit ppl and rarely ever heard about poles abusing welfare system.
they arguments were that poles stress NHS and put housing prices up crippling chances of young ppl to get on housing ladder.
and that poles bring down wages.
i am not best in economics,but they been always saying that rising value of properties is good,now they say is bad.cheap labour is good,other say is bad for economy

and even this suppose to "massive stress" on NHS. poles make up about 1% of population of britain. mostly young people who dont use NHS often .so how much pressure is really on NHS? seems bs to me


in London,mostly as managers and better paid trades like electricians or plumbers.i didnt say they dont at all ,i said most of staff are EE..

There is a huge number. Irrespective, its the enlarging of the EU thats the problem. You are going to get even more to cope with and so resources are going to even more stretched. You can make inroads on the resources side by backing away a little from austerity, but if the numbers coming in keeping increasing fast than taxes/spending, then you still dont get anywhere with the problem.


I think there are about 3 million Poles in the UK, registered at least. Thats the larger by far than from any other country after the borders were opened. Most are working legally looking for a better life, or to earn enough to return home and build a life in Poland. But a lot of the most recent visitors, not just Poles, are just looking to milk the system. You even have gangs running scams collecting welfare for people not even in the country. But you can blame the people, its the fault of the government, even if its hands have been tied to a large degree by EU laws. With brexit this can begin to change. Nobody has a problem with people getting benefits that have put something into the system. Its the ones that expect to enter the UK with no intention to work and hit the benefits from day one.


Theres two sides to that. Those investing in property always like to see it increase in value. Those leaving home and starting on the housing ladders want to buy as cheap as possible. You cant satisfy both sides. Demand and supply governs the prices. London is a market in itself and is a bit of a safe haven for Russian and Chinese investors, so with supply limited, its always going to see strong support even after a wobble. The rest of the UK is governed more purely by demand and supply. People have been blaming buy to lets for driving up prices. But these people tend to be single home owners with a bit of capital to spare, looking to make a safe investment for their kids and in the meantime earn a bit of money on the rent. You cant blame people from trying to make their money work for them. The city has pretty much scared off the average John Smith, so Smithy has looked elsewhere and property in the UK has always been a winner in the long run. And the most important thing about it is people feel its not controlled by banks in the same way that the stockmarket might be.


Cheap labour keeps inflation down which supposedly keeps down the prices of average and everyday goods. But it means a clamp on wages, which in itself is part of the reason why people cant get on the housing ladder.


i think thats pretty much bs what youve said. Statistically people are going to have accidents/get ill. Such is life. So there is a strain and its only going to get worse with more immigrants on the way.

Agree totally. And I don't think this is hyberbole. Xenophobia at it's worst.


So you think wrong then. Official statistics are in the range of 800,000 to 1,200,000. Next?
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tut tut English teacher...:)

My figure includes those that arrived more than five years ago and now have citizenship. The number you are quoting is those that fall into the foreign national only category and also dont include those unregistered.

Statistically people who are putting strain on health services (WTF>?What a dickhead way to describe it?) are those over 65 and kids. Statistically those people are using services most because they have to and because they are "free".

People in their 20', 30', 40' are using them considerably less. One could argue that since few years back Polish women (hence that big xenophobic boo ho) stared to have children that would indeed put some strain on HS. However all these gibbering about Poles sucking out resources from HS stared before that.

What about binge drinking drug addict that are flocking to them hospitals? Are they not a a and aren't they more numbers - statistic that Poles using those service?

All that mess stems from the one issue having a huge state paid system that sucks and will suck no matter how much money will you throw on it. For many reason, inefficiency, corruption, ideologically biased politicians that think that bobs or penis enlargement should be paid by the state, because medical companies like to have a way with that big honey pot (money form taxpayers) and where is way there is will.

What kind of an ignorant fool and insular xenophobe one has to be to talk about strain that is being put on health services by are sick people or victims of an accident just because they are foreigners. Jeepers!

You dont seem to understand what I said. Dont know if you have a grasp of english. I dont blame people for being ill or refering immigrants are more likely to get ill. If you increase the population, a percentage of those are going to get sick/ill, just like the rest of the population. What Im saying is basically an increase in population increases the strain on the NHS. Not particularly because immigrants are likely to get sick more or not. And because a larger percentage of those coming in are ending up on benefits, taxes arent going up at the same rate as the population and this affects all manner of government services. The majority of brexit immigration views is that there should be a control on the immigration level, not ban it it entirely. And a control on who can get benefits. I think its entirely fair that a foreigner is expected to work for a few years before getting employment benefit and a couple of years for in work benefits. Healthcare should be available from day one for those working. I dont think the majority of brexit campaigners want anything else. Of course youll have a small minority, but thats always the case.

Don't let my bungled up previous post fool you, not need to be snarky here, I understood you well enough. I'm objecting to the word 'strain' as a way to describe an institution that deals with ill people. A Huge state organization that is supported entirely by taxpayers will be always strained due to its very nature, few people less few people more makes no noticeable difference but its a convenient excuse for failures or to ask for more resources.


With a system of welfare state that is based on Ponzi scheme you'll need to keep increasing population in order to finance that system. Getting in immigrants is a short cut in that direction, short signed but better still than telling people that you cannot support their live style anymore.


Whereas decrease in population would see taxes raised just to support the NHS on the some level.


You got a point here but as far as I know it is entirely up to the government to regulate those issues, I mean who would want to take in immigrants if they would go on a dole (benefits) strait from the boat? That nuts.

Also immigrants that are not able to support themselves for at least ten years or till they too old to work- that is just a big mistake. Who is in change?>


Sure but using that simplified rhetoric for illiterate about strain on HS cause by immigrants or Poles is not on! Even that gain you votes.

Its the unique nature of the NHS. Free british healthcare, the envy of all. Anywhere else you have to pay a bundle and the service is not really better. The UK could easily start taking extra contributions, but the core wants to keep it free, thus accessible to all UK citizens.


As opposed to the Polish system of having to pay throught the nose and get next to useless service unless backed up with a bribe! Its no Ponzi scheme, again you misunderstand, its the concept of providing healthcare to all.


The EU is in charge. EU citizens are entitled to the same benefits as UK citizens. No arguments no buts. Recently Cameron claimed he has secured some concessions if Britain votes stay, but all of these can be reversed by the european courts at any time.

I thought Camoron had already got an opt out for in work benefits?


********. If and when its ratified the 'courts' cannot just over-ride it.

actually UK can do whatever it wants and EU court cant do much.it related to UK has right to refuse any walfare benefits to EU migrants on basis of "UK can refuse benefits if has financial problem".which means-anytime it wants.:

ft.com/cms/s/0/5376d942-320a-11e6-bda0-04585c31b153.html#axzz4C21lEfGd
it was quite a story recently..and big win for Cameron.gives full decision power to UK over benefits for migrants in return for UK to stay