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Why English do not like Polish?

5 Jul 2016 #301
Personally I think they don't like us because we 'take' their jobs. I think that about 98% of polish immigrants have a full time job and pay full taxes. In fact, if we weren't here, the English would have to get off their lazy butts because they wouldn't receive benefits. Of course, it's only a small section of brits that don't like the polish, but they do exist. I don't have anything against the English, I have a lot of English friends. But if u are English and judge my country, then I will get defensive so watch out
jon357 66 | 16,960
5 Jul 2016 #302
Brits in Poland get much the same thing - and yes, you have to respond firmly to offensive comments. Judging and critics are fine though; it all depends on why it's said and how. Everyone is entitled no an opinion.

In fact, if we weren't here, the English would have to get off their lazy butts because they wouldn't receive benefits

Well, those jobs were largely vacant before. Hard to find anyone on the dole because a migrant took their job...

Of course, it's only a small section of brits that don't like the polish, but they do exist.

Same here in Poland too - most people are OK, some are bigoted.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,940
5 Jul 2016 #303
fact, if we weren't here, the English would have to get off their lazy butts because they wouldn't receive benefits. Of

you know what just feck off with that pernicious bulshyte.
the only reason Polish can take those low paid jobs is because they live ten to a room, and you know it.
Of course the English are not 'lazy' - if anyone is, it is the Polish and that is why their country is so messed up.
10iwonka10 - | 395
5 Jul 2016 #304
You both talk rubbish- UK rely ( vastly ) on emigrants to do these jobs so if not Polish there would be other emigrants to do these low paid jobs. If there were no emigrants, benefits would be cut and some locals would have to do it. Just survival necessity.

And Polish are as lazy as other nation some are some not and this living 10 to a room... repeated stereotype. Maybe in the very beginning not now
jon357 66 | 16,960
5 Jul 2016 #305
If there were no emigrants, benefits would be cut and some locals would have to do it. Just survival n

That didn't happen before. In many towns the number of vacancies for low-paid jobs exceeded the number of unemployment benefit claimants.

Plus a pool of cheap labour enabled some companies to expand.
10iwonka10 - | 395
5 Jul 2016 #306
That is the problem - people moan about cheap labour but they also want cheap products in the shops. If we increase wages prices will go up and it will cause even higher moan. Like we will pay £3.50 for box of strawberry instead £2.00- so sell dramatically drops and jobs get reduced to.

I am not economist it is just common sense:-)

Plus - I am not sure if labour is always so cheap- I think farmers pay decent wages but for hard work. Lots of young people quick and fit are probably quite happy with it.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
5 Jul 2016 #307
Plus a pool of cheap labour enabled some companies to expand.

yea,and gives better chance to land better job positions.4 milion immigrants needs supervising,provide office service,ect.
in construction most laboure is done by EE people while professionals(like managers,architects) are English. at least in London.
so i guess Low skilled ppl gives opportunity for natives to land better job.
i remember there was one debate where one UKIP member was saying that is better to bring "indian doctors" and professionals from australia than EE low skilled workforce.and someone confronted him sayin that they would take away good job from locals,forcing them do do ****** ones

but god knows whats the truth in all this
10iwonka10 - | 395
5 Jul 2016 #309
UKIP seems to have some fixation about commonwealth countries.....apparently European people don't fit in UK but people from commonwealth fit here perfectly.

There is some truth in in it that emigrants do lower jobs- mainly it is confidence , language barrier.... but it relates mainly to first generation of emigrants.
10 Jul 2016 #311
Hello vote out, I am a Polish Canadian woman living in Ottawa, and have been following the comments on here with curiosity. First of all I feel deeply ashamed when I hear stories of Polish people's racist attitudes. I was born in Poland and the country holds a special place in my heart, along with the hardships that my people have suffered over centuries of oppression. Many of my people, however, have learned nothing from those centuries of oppression, especially about treating others the way you want to be treated. I have an absolutely gorgeous daughter from my previous marriage. Her father was from Latin America with a Native Mexican, Spanish, French, Chinese and African heritage. When I sent her to a Polish summer camp here, some of the girls were asking her if she wished she had blond hair and blue eyes. I had to take her out from the summer camp a week early. I don't condone violent attacks on peaceful Poles, but you have every right to be angry and want them out of your country.
Marsupial - | 886
11 Jul 2016 #312
Ukip is deluded. No one wants to go back to that. In their own mind they think someone does like australia for example. That is hilarious we would become a republic before that would ever happen. Not even 3% of trade from here is with uk. They can't compete with asia on anything. At least the eu.was making them competitive but soon that will be gone too. The other delusion is they will recover quickly but haven't left yet or signed so it hasn't even started. Ozzies are already calling them racist whining poms and most laughing at this decision. Lets face it uk got suckered by low iq old fashioned obsolete idiots. Ukip has screwed the uk with fake figures and nationalism and time to pay won't be even on till they sign in a couple of months. The first people to pay will be the low income people as always. My prediction.
22 Sep 2016 #313
Simple, because they do not integrate very well. Their culture makes them come across as very rude, ignorant and unlike other Europeans, they make little effort to speak English in public. Unlike a tourist who is visiting and is usually an obvious site, as permanent resident, this creates an instant alienation which in turn breeds contempt towards them from the indigenous population. Right or wrong, the general population will react to any kind of conflicting social change that occurs too quickly.

With Polish food shops popping up everywhere, your average person will think "you don't like our food, why are you here, just the money? go home" (this is not my personal opinion by the way, but i have seen and heard these kinds of reactions).

So, as pretty much every man and his dog have been let in to the UK with no visa system in place we have gained a few good people and a heck of a lots of their chav skanks (every country has them im afraid, including us. Theirs are just a lot less lazy).

I've known of Polish colleagues getting abuse and when asked how it occurred, its usually always when speaking in Polish with each other. I have seen groups in an office environment speaking Polish whilst some poor English girl is sat there feeling left out! This again creates a "them and us" portrait which is not a good thing. That girl then tells one person who tells another and a bad opinion spread throughout the populous. I myself am not originally from the UK (not Poland) and was always told off by my mother when i spoke a different language to her in front of people who I knew would not understand as it was deemed to be very rude (and still is). You cannot change the instinctive tribalism of human beings, you have to make every effort to give the impression that you are a part of their tribe. Sad but true. Deny it all you want lol
Marsupial - | 886
23 Sep 2016 #314
Polymorphic I agree with you on the language thing. Groups of people is even worse.
Lyzko 29 | 7,257
23 Sep 2016 #315
I'm starting to realize, albeit slowly, that the reason it seems many English do not like the Polish is much the same as the reason many Americans often seem reluctant to accept Hispanics; it's the attitude of adaptation! Perhaps a large number of Poles in the UK also act as though they feel the gov't. "owes" them something for giving them safe haven, hence that the government should accommodate them instead of the way it ought to be:-)
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
23 Sep 2016 #316
Americans often seem reluctant

Partially true, but the extent to which official America has bent over backwards to cater for Hispanics is staggering. Even in states where Hispanocs are few and far beween the recorded phone messages start with: for Engkish press 1, for Spanish press 2.... I think if that was done in the UK (for Polish press 2) it would really freak many Brits out.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,940
23 Sep 2016 #317
Engkish press 1, for Spanish press 2.... I think if that was done in the UK (for Polish press 2) it would really freak many Brits out.

well in parts of the UK, for example there is 1. for Welsh press one, 2. for English press two.....and that is bad enough...
If they did it with all the different languages spoken in the UK, by volume, there would be a stupidly long list...
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
23 Sep 2016 #318

Well, Wales is part of the UK, so they could also by rights do that for Scots Gaelic although it would probably be symbolic, because how many Scots actually speak it?. But Hispanics constitute the No. 1 non-English-speaking minority in the USA as do Poles in Britain.
TheOther 5 | 3,758
23 Sep 2016 #319
But Hispanics constitute the No. 1 non-English-speaking minority in the USA

Soon to be majority. Then it's "Press 1 for Spanish, press 2 for English". Who knows, maybe it will be "Press 1 for Polish, press 2 for English" in the UK one day... :)
Lyzko 29 | 7,257
23 Sep 2016 #320
And not only Brits! When in Berlin about fifteen years back, I asked a German-born native Berliner acquaintance of mine whether, given the disproportionate number of Turks in Kreuzberg, for example, (many with equally broken German), whether at least in the capital, concessions would be made to a similar type of phone or service menu option with Turkish, possibly English or Russian. She sort of bristled at the notion and replied that if either immigrant or even tourist didn't understand German sufficiently, 'guess they'd have to work it out:-)

That was then, so I'm no longer physically familiar with what changes, if any, have been made in this regard.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
23 Sep 2016 #321
That was then

My impression is that at this stage the Germans are still super-indulgent and accommodating to the refugee/migrant invasion they initiaited. But how long that will last is anyone's guess. The Muslim newcomers by and large do not want to integrate.They want to set up their own ethno-religious enclaves bankrolled by German taxpayers.
nothanks - | 640
23 Sep 2016 #322
First things first. We are 16+ months into the Crisis [timing being when supposedly the demographics of migrants changed from families to only young males] and rejected applicants in Germany are not being deported - or atleast at an acceptable rate. Issue #2: Germany has still not altered their law for no cap on refugees. And the biggest problem imo - the lack of EU exterior borders. Rejected and deported but how do you keep them out again?

Financially Germany has made the commitment over at-least the next 5 years.

Ideologically they are still at disagreement on whether accepted applicants can permanently stay, family reunification (?), only those that pass language requirements and/or employment OR will they be asked to return once "the War is over".

Germany seems at a standstill til at-least the Fall 2017 elections. The tone speaking to Germans is increasingly: "well it could be worse/better but it's not as bad as the media/foreign politicians make it out to be". imo they are badly naive not realizing this is still the honeymoon period. Wait til the number of job-less, language-less migrants reaches a breaking point. And especially wait til the disenfranchised and resentful 2nd and 3rd generation migrants. Germany is far more "Native or not" mindset than UK/France - which have failed in integration. Even as a German speaking and anglo looking Polak, the general vibe I received was: "Nice to have you and your interest in Germany but always remember you aren't needed". These brown arabs will find it significantly more difficult when you also consider religion.
Lyzko 29 | 7,257
23 Sep 2016 #323
Fact is, Merkel has ruined things for everyone and it will cost her dearly come mid-2017!! How many more defeats can one person suffer before it's wave the white flag time???
dolnoslask 6 | 3,539
24 Sep 2016 #324
" Merkel has ruined things for everyone"

Damn right she has, lets start a list

1 Blatantly flouted EU regulation on Immigration (Lisbon treaty)

2 Her policies were a major catalyst for Brexit.

3. Invited racial intolerance murder,rape Terrorism and violence across Europe.

4. Caused the Resurrection of the far right movement in Germany, and given them seats in local government.

I'm surprised she hasn't written a book yet, " Mein disaster" or something or the other, oh maybe that is to come later.
Lyzko 29 | 7,257
24 Sep 2016 #325
"Mein Krampf" would be more like it:-)
johnny reb 28 | 5,248
25 Sep 2016 #326
The best way to make someone jealous is to live better then they are.
The English resent the Polish coming to their country not even knowing the English language only to be living a much higher standard then themselves in just a short period of time.

The Poles work ethic is number one, they are very serious bunch, they stay focused on their goals, they mind their own business.
They soon are living better by driving nicer cars etc. then most of the English which brings resentment.
That is why the English, especially the Brits, don't like the Polish.
This is what we are reading in the U.S.A. about it.
25 Sep 2016 #327
That is why the English, especially the Brits,

Nice of you to manage to demonstrate in just eight words that you know less than three-fifths of fcuk all about the UK.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,940
25 Sep 2016 #328
the English, especially the Brits

lol yes Johnny
johnny reb 28 | 5,248
25 Sep 2016 #329
you know less than three-fifths of fcuk all about the UK.

You wouldn't know sarcasm if a dog named Sarcasm came up and peed on your leg Harry.

lol yes Johnny

Glad it didn't go over everyone's head. lol
Lyzko 29 | 7,257
26 Sep 2016 #330
Harry, Johnny doesn't know even less about much of anything, except to prove that he deserves whatever foul mess Donald Trump dishes out to the idiotic US electorate, should the impossible happen and he become president!

The English don't like much of anybody who's not English, so the Poles oughtn't necessarily feel singled out.

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