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I have concerns over the British immigration policy so I wrote to my MP.


VaFunkoolo 6 | 654
31 Mar 2008 #31
Hunting aboriginies was legal until the late 1920s which is a long time after Australians took responsibility for themselves. When confronted about this on a recent trip to England, the great Australian ambassador Kevin 'Bloody' Wilson replied in time honoured Australian tradition: Does It Look Like I Give A Fuk. Yindee Yindee blue
Ozi Dan 26 | 569
31 Mar 2008 #32
weather tanned

*whispers* The lights from your monitor arent really the suns rays Issy.

Spandau Ballet

Sorry, I meant Dead or Alive ;-)

No sh*t,you dont say,wow...so the ethnic cleansing of the aborigionals and the forced seperation of children from parents happened for 70 odd years under an indipendant Aussie government did it? Ok,youve got the moral high ground back and no mistake.....

Once again you take a post and bend it your own ends. Not surprised really. The warms beer's getting to your head - watch those menthol dregs - they make my head spin too.
isthatu 3 | 1,164
31 Mar 2008 #33
lmao, I love your humor Dan
(vafunkool,in case you hadnt picked up already this bannter is playfull,I love Aus' and Ozi's in general,kinda forced too as dozens of my family have lived there for generations :) )
VaFunkoolo 6 | 654
31 Mar 2008 #34
Cheers itu, had realised. My remark was equally playful - holding an Ozi passport I feel entitled to laugh at them too
OP Mister H 11 | 761
31 Mar 2008 #35
Bloody foreigners going to England, taking the jobs they don't want to do, upping the national I.Q., importing fit women, supporting the economy, bring cultural diversity and tolerance and then complaining on a Polish forum that the English don't want them.

I'm not coming at this from the "bl**dy foreigner" angle and I welcome the diversity and the differences. No problem with that at all. It's the sheer volume that I have difficulty with. Immigration is fine, but it has to be managed.

I'm sorry that you don't find my posts constructive, but others have, so I can't be that bad and I have posted the letter. I came onto this forum as I wanted the views of the Polish. Would you rather I went onto a "Sun" type forum and joined in the slanging matches ?

It isn't a matter of qualifications. As I said, it is down to the volumes and the entitlements they get straight away. Yes people have the freedom to travel, but with freedom comes responsibility. Governments should accept their responsibility and make sure that their people are not adversely affected by all this.

I very much appreciate that we do not live in a fascist regime of any kind and that I don't risk being dragged away in the middle of the night for daring to voice an opposing view.

Piorun - | 658
31 Mar 2008 #36
In actual fact, very few Poles died in active service in World War 2.

Russians and others claimed them as their own statistics, as they were fighting under the leadership of their armies.

A few died from 'friendly fire' as the Russians had to fight their way westwards through Warsaw towards Berlin

An example how friendly Russians could be, they LOVE you to death.

most died from natural causes in the labour camps from dysentery and other common diseases.

Especially the ones that died in “Siberian Health Spas” where even the best Russian physicians could not prevent it. (Now that’s Oxymoron) But I guess it’s rational to a Russian.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
5 Apr 2008 #37
I'm not coming at this from the "bl**dy foreigner" angle and I welcome the diversity and the differences. No problem with that at all. It's the sheer volume that I have difficulty with. Immigration is fine, but it has to be managed.

Why have you not posted your alleged letter on this forum?,
If you are not coming from the "bloody foreigners angle", who should be aloud in to "your country" and who should decide on what criteria?

what do you do with the people who are already there and do not fit into your management of these people?

with freedom comes responsibility

I could not agree more, but you are suggesting, in some form not yet specified to "manage" The volume of immigrants , so some will fill your criteria and others will not, whose freedom are you talking about?

This some problem has alwayscexisted before in England, I really hope that in the near future that history will not repeat itself and there will not be "No Polish need apply" signs hanging up.

Europe has changed and it will take more time for things to balance out. I Hope you (or anyone else) can put forward constructive ways of Managing immigrants, I just can't see a way that would not restrict people in our free Europe.
MrBubbles 10 | 614
5 Apr 2008 #38
We've got lots of you guys in Australia and Ive worked with heaps of them - they were generally lazy and inept at the quite simple manual tasks they were given.

Pint of lager and some pork scratchnigs please. Actually, could you make that 2 lagers. thanks mate.
OP Mister H 11 | 761
5 Apr 2008 #39
Why have you not posted your alleged letter on this forum?,
If you are not coming from the "bloody foreigners angle", who should be aloud in to "your country" and who should decide on what criteria?
what do you do with the people who are already there and do not fit into your management of these people?

I didn't post the letter on here as not everyone is going to want to read it, however, I offered to send it via PM to anyone who wanted to read it. About half or dozen or so people asked to see it.

Would you like to read it ?

The letter itself was posted last Monday, so it should have been read by now.

The criteria for foreigners to have the right to live and work here should be based on the skills they have and the skills we need. They should be also able to support themselves financially, have proof of an offer of employment, be able to speak English to a reasonable level and have a place to stay. I understand that anyone who goes to Poland to work should have enough cash on them to support themselves to the tune of approx £50 a day. Something like that makes perfect sense.

They shouldn't be entitled to register for council housing and if they want treatment on the NHS or give birth to a child here, they should pay for it. If they bring their kids with them and want them to go to school, they should pay for private education. Once they've paid into the system for five years and want to make the UK their home, then that's different and then they can start using things like the NHS that the rest of us have been paying into for years and years.

This should apply to ANYONE looking to move here from ANYWHERE. If I moved to another country, I would expect a similar process.

I was meaning more that the UK Government have handed out all the freedom (of movement), but don't want to take responsibility for any negative impact that it has.

The last thing I want to see is "No Polish Need Apply" signs or anything like that. Nor to I want to hear on the news how things become violent as a result of resentment between communities.

Any managing of migration has to be a control on the freedom of movement. Look at an atlas and see what a tiny place the UK is. It's just not going to work to have so many people coming here.

Yes Europe has changed, but the majority of British people do not see themselves as European however much the Government wished we do.

The British Government has put its fingers in its ears and ignored the problem hoping it would go away.
Buddy 7 | 167
6 Apr 2008 #40
The English that complain about Poles tend to be from the working class. The educated classes don't feel threatened.
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
6 Apr 2008 #41
How condisending is that? The "educated class" the "working class".....You dont think you can be both?
Well,if its only those working class types affected,who cares,stuff em,give em more time to watch trisha eat food from iceland and beat their wives with half empty cans of special brew.....
espana 17 | 911
6 Apr 2008 #42
Mister H

how many times i had to speak in english in my country for help wankers like you.
how many english go to spain to work in bars etc? is that skills?
do you think the nhs is the best in europe? i dont think soo
i m tired of ignorant like you
Buddy 7 | 167
6 Apr 2008 #43
condescending, it may be.

You dont think you can be both?

Nope because if you come from the working classes and have educated yourself, you then become part of the educated classes'.

Class segregation exists whether you like it or not.
Bartolome 2 | 1,085
6 Apr 2008 #44
They shouldn't be entitled to register for council housing and if they want treatment on the NHS or give birth to a child here, they should pay for it. If they bring their kids with them and want them to go to school, they should pay for private education.

With such a treatment, after the fifth year I'm grabbing my UK passport and I'm off to e.g. one of ANZAC countries. Sorry pal, but why should I pay twice for the same thing ?
espana 17 | 911
6 Apr 2008 #45
I'm grabbing my UK passport

you dont deserve this passaport you are a shame for the polish people
OP Mister H 11 | 761
6 Apr 2008 #46
Charming!

I'm not ignorant, I just want a more level playing field rather than what we have at the moment which is all stacked in favour everyone but the British.

I wouldn't go to work in another country if I couldn't communicate in their language on a reasonable level.

No I don't think that the NHS is the best in Europe, far from it. That's why I think the scarce resources shouldn't be used on people who have just pitched up here.

I'm tried of tossers like you who jump to conclusions about what people are thinking.
Buddy 7 | 167
6 Apr 2008 #47
Question shall we repatriate all non English staff in the NHS, let us jolly Old Brits have our NHS back and run it as a proud British institution, Like Rover, or Northern Rock...

We are currently entering a period of recession and when the immigrant workers stop wanting to work in the UK, then my friend we will know that the Boat is sunk.
Dice 15 | 452
6 Apr 2008 #48
I'll happily PM a copy of the letter to anyone who is interested in its content.

You should post it here, Mr. H.!
IMO it would be much better for everybody if the UK would've allowed the work permit to SOME Poles only. Only the ones with needed skills, language, clean record etc. This way the Britts wouldn't feel threatened by the Poles and the Poles living in the UK wouldn't have to put up with the prejudice from the Britts.
Lukasz 49 | 1,746
6 Apr 2008 #49
UK can always leave EU, and market for their goods will be closed ...

Dice

shut the fuk up :)

I don't understd why so many brits come here (PF) and moan about their government policy or about imigration.

WE DON'T CARE IT IS POLISH FORUM NOT BRITISH. Poland has own problems ...

I AM PROUD THAT SO MANY POLISH PEPLE SEND MONEY TO POLAND =)
Buddy 7 | 167
6 Apr 2008 #50
I AM PROUD THAT SO MANY POLISH PEPLE SEND MONEY TO POLAND =)

yep me too I'm proud and I'm not Polish...
Dice 15 | 452
6 Apr 2008 #51
I AM PROUD THAT SO MANY POLISH PEPLE SEND MONEY TO POLAND =)

Well, I am proud of them too. But the fact is that it would be much better for EVERYBODY (Poles and Britts) if the UK Government allowed only Poles with needed skilled jobs, education, and most of all English language skills. Much better for both Britts and Poles IMO.
Lukasz 49 | 1,746
6 Apr 2008 #52
They have to leave EU ... to do it. It is not possible in different way.

there was several discussions about that. It is British problem not our. Last time there is more discussions about UK here than about Poland. I don't care about UK.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
7 Apr 2008 #53
I just want a more level playing field rather than what we have at the moment which is all stacked in favour everyone but the British.

I disagree with your opinion, we are now the European Union, all people should have the right to move freely around and work. The days of the "british empire" are gone. Britain for brits, is what it sounds like you are saying, of course you will let a chosen few, who suit your needs to enter the country, god knows there are toilets to be cleaned. Thank goodness your government have the sence to join.

This same bull opinion has been coming from some brits for ever, it used to be about Irish people going to England now it's the Poles, it is time to stop sounding like a broken record and get with it, you must think about things in a boarder European sence, if not all our country's will fall behind.

I'm tried of tossers like you who jump to conclusions about what people are thinking.

Without posting your letter, people are bound to jump to conclusions and name calling does not help.
Bartolome 2 | 1,085
7 Apr 2008 #54
you dont deserve this passaport you are a shame for the polish people

It never hurts having two, as many of my compatriots do.
espana 17 | 911
7 Apr 2008 #55
i can have two becouse my wife is english but i choose to keep the spanish one only becouse i m proud of my identity.

spanish , english , french are proud of their nationality but it seems like polish are not , sad mate!!! :(
Bartolome 2 | 1,085
7 Apr 2008 #56
It's only a passport. I'm not going to cease being a Pole. Polish passport will never give you such a possibility of mobility like the ones you mentioned.
espana 17 | 911
7 Apr 2008 #57
the problem here is that the british are giving a hand and some of the people are taking all the arm , i do understand how mister h can fell about this but i hope in the future that this hand still there open for us , and the british make sure nobody take its arm anymore .
Seanus 15 | 19,706
7 Apr 2008 #58
It's a hard question for sure, one which calls for a measured response. It was Paul Weller who said, "You made your bed, you better lye in it" (Going Underground). Britain made the bed and there are some strange bedfellows for sure but we have to live with that. The problem is exacerbated somewhat by the fact that we were stretched a little b4 the immigration wave. Many people were waiting for council housing and should have been first in the pecking order but that wasn't always the case.

Brits, like Poles, have a tendency to feel hard done by, a bit of the self-piteous, poor me attitude. We have some justification but many Poles are making great efforts and inroads towards getting property for bigger groups. We see 8-10 people in 1 house which alleviates some of the strain on housing authorities. What does irritate me a little is the tendency to see the UK as a haven. We do have some 'undesirables' but I am not a Tory so that doesn't niggle at me much.

Finally, I urge PF members to be more rational (OMG, I sound like a politician). Mr H made some valid points and didn't take a radical position. Get off his back, to even insinuate that he is a BNP man is WELL wide of the mark. Start reading and absorbing his message. I have defended immigration in the past, and still do, but phasing/weeding out those who view the UK as a sanctuary would be in our national interest, and the Brits have always valued that.
Ozi Dan 26 | 569
8 Apr 2008 #59
You made some good points Seanus.

The question I have to the British who have problems with immigration is this - how has the immigration effected you in a personal and negative way such that you see fit to complain about it. If the answer is it hasn't, then aren't your complaints disingenuous?
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893
8 Apr 2008 #60
I think the main concern is the sheer numbers and how this has affected resources - and because of the negative press that the Polish are receiving couple this will the fact the companies will pay Polish less in the majoirty of cases (obviously not all) it is in some ways having a negative effect, England isnt a cheap place to live, if you live alone, it's a different story if you are sharing with several other people, of course you can maybe work for £1 or £2 less and I think Dan, that is the bottom line.

There is also the contentious issue of child support being paid to Polish people in Poland out of British taxes....I dont believe that the Polish are the most hated immagrants


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