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New rule if you board a train without a ticket in Poland


InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
22 Jul 2012 #1
You now have to use the first passenger/public door of the train (presumably nearest the driving cab) and stand there and wait for the conductor to sell you a ticket which will cost 8zl extra than at the train station ticket office.

If the station has no ticket office, then the 8zl does not apply.

If you take a seat on the train without a ticket, I think it says you get fined and pay an extra 120zl to 150zl.

I don't know what you're supposed to do if you see no conductor at the door or there's no room at the door to stand and wait for a conductor. Whistle?

I am not sure you can board any train in Poland without a ticket and expect to pay aboard it - I always thought it was some routes only or where there is no ticket office at the station you join from.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
22 Jul 2012 #2
I am not sure you can board any train in Poland without a ticket and expect to pay aboard it - I always thought it was some routes only or where there is no ticket office at the station you join from.

You can do it from any station - it depends on the goodwill of the conductor as to whether or not you'll get charged the extra 5zl (as is now).

It's a good idea to bring in the fines for not going straight to the conductor - I completely admit having deliberately boarded at the "wrong" end of a train for very short journeys before.

I don't know what you're supposed to do if you see no conductor at the door or there's no room at the door to stand and wait for a conductor. Whistle?

The conductor will always be in the front carriage - so long as you're close as possible to that point, it's not an issue. If the train is so rammed that you can't get through - well - neither will he ;)

Worth pointing out that these changes only apply to trains operated by Przewozy Regionalne.
OP InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
22 Jul 2012 #3
Thanks for the additional info, I didn't know all that stuff.

Just off on a tangent, ticket office at the train station said my Wroclaw Urbancard was no good for travel, so I paid full fare. Conductor on the outbound said it was good as far as the last part of Wroc and I only need pay for stations beyond. Conductor on the return said the Urbancard was not valid on any part of the journey and the ticket office were correct to charge me full fare. I don't know who is correct but perhaps if 2 out of 3 say the Urbancard is not valid, then that is the answer.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
22 Jul 2012 #4
A question - was it the same train company on the way out/in?

It's possible that the Urbancard is valid on Kolej Dolnoslaskie but not on other operators?
OP InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
22 Jul 2012 #5
I think it was KD both ways yes. Weird eh.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
22 Jul 2012 #6
Bingo -have a look at this -

wroclawm.pl/article.php/wroclaw-bilet-kolej-urbancard

wroclaw.pl/rodzaje_biletow.dhtml#aglomeracyjny

Looks like an extra payment of 16zl gets you travel within the metropolitan area.
OP InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
23 Jul 2012 #7
Bingo -have a look at this -

I recall the posters on the train said something about an extra payment per month and you get some sticker to put on your Urbancard to allow travel on that new train (the railbus) but I clarified it with one of the conductors via my Polish companion and the conductor clearly quoted me a reduced fare for the Urbancard being utilised as far as some place beginning with P on that route, Padowice or some such, the last part of Wroclaw. So, instead of paying 15zl I would have only had to pay I think it was 5zl each way - if he was correct. However, the other 2 sources (ticket office and conductor on the return) said nie to that.

(My Urbancard is the outlying areas one that allows travel on the Express and Suburban 6xx routes etc as well as the City lines btw.)
kpc21
2 Aug 2012 #8
You now have to use the first passenger/public door of the train (presumably nearest the driving cab) and stand there and wait for the conductor to sell you a ticket which will cost 8zl extra than at the train station ticket office.

It refers to Przewozy Regionalne trains only, not other railway companies, like PKP Intercity.
egbert88
1 May 2015 #9
You can't board intercity trains without a ticket.
jon357 63 | 15,045
1 May 2015 #10
That's true, and the fine is large.
kpc21 1 | 763
1 May 2015 #11
That's not true.

You can board without a ticket all the trains in Poland except Pendolino (Express InterCity Premium - EICP). You must enter the train with the first door counting from the front and tell the conductor that you want to buy a ticket. There is an extra surcharge, but it's not high (unless you travel on a short distance, then it might be higher than the ticket price - but it won't make you go bankrupt). It's value is constant for a company. In Intercity it's, if I remember well, 10 PLN. In other companies - less. Again, if I remember well, in Przewozy Regionalne it's 8 PLN. An exception is £ódzka Kolej Aglomeracyjna (some of the local trains in the surroundings of £ódź), where this surcharge exists only theoretically (but it's probably because of the situation - in all their trains there are ticket vending machines, but they are often out of order).

And all this is valid only at big stations where you can buy a ticket at the ticket counter. If there is no ticket counter at the station, there is one but it doesn't sell tickets of the company you want to travel with, or there is a ticket counter selling such tickets but it is closed (for example at night - then at the main stations in big cities there is usually one counter open, but at the other ones all them can be closed), there is no surcharge at all. You can buy a ticket on the train for a normal price, like at the ticket counter.
jon357 63 | 15,045
1 May 2015 #12
Do you know how much the fine is on EIP?

I suppose if you're in a desperate hurry it could be worth it, but frankly easier and often cheaper to fly.

It's also quite large on the EIC.
kpc21 1 | 763
1 May 2015 #13
I've written that EICP is an exception, it's of the order of a few hundred PLN there.

In TLK, IC and EIC you pay only 10 PLN extra. In EIC you don't even have to go to the conductor for the ticket.
jon357 63 | 15,045
1 May 2015 #14
I've written that EICP is an exception, it's of the order of a few hundred PLN there.

650zl to be precise.

A bad idea to try boarding the EIC to Berlin without a ticket either.
Harry
1 May 2015 #15
I've heard from a couple of people that the fine for being on the EICP from Warsaw to Krakow is 200zl if paid in cash and without a receipt.
jon357 63 | 15,045
1 May 2015 #16
According to their own website it's 650. Plus the cost of a ticket, about 300 on top:
intercity.pl/en/site/about-company/about-the-company/news/z-express-intercity-premium-podroz-zacznij-od-biletu.html
kpc21 1 | 763
1 May 2015 #17
But still for EICP only.

International long-distance trains are another kettle of fish (in Polish: inna para kaloszy). If you don't buy a ticket in advance, you pay according to the international prices, which are, firstly, terribly high, secondly, something like a secret. Even a lady at the ticket counter must first print the ticket to get to know what its price is :) If you do, then you usually one of the special offers.
jon357 63 | 15,045
1 May 2015 #18
My point entirely. Much cheaper to buy beforehand, queuing in Polish stations isn't as chaotic as it used to be (though there are stil 'moments') and buying on line is easy.

Plus if you do have to buy from the conductor it's very likely he or she will have no change.
Dougpol1 32 | 3,274
1 May 2015 #19
It refers to Przewozy Regionalne trains only, not other railway companies, like PKP Intercity.

It's PR which are the problem. They are pretty much a scum outfit. 8 zl for a ticket is exorbitant if you want a 6 zl 50 ticket. Plus dog, in a rush, with no SKM available, that comes to 21 zl Gdansk to Gdynia. Outrageous.

At least the SKM now use the online Skycash system of being able to buy a ticket on your mobile phone app.
jon357 63 | 15,045
1 May 2015 #20
For local trains, always check the date on the ticket. They sometimes try to sell you ones they'd printed by accident which makes for problems when the tickets are inspected it's treated as if you have no ticket and you have to pay the surcharge. This is especially important if you've got a foreign accent since they assume you won't notice.
kpc21 1 | 763
1 May 2015 #21
Yes, I agree. Buying tickets on the train is almost never a good choice. But if you don't have another choice, it's possible in each train except for EIP.
jon357 63 | 15,045
1 May 2015 #22
Not all trains that leave Poland. On some it's absolutely forbidden and you will be put off the train at the next station. On others, it's at the conductor's discretion, usually depending on how full it is.
kpc21 1 | 763
2 May 2015 #23
So it seems they are violating they own rules :)

In which train have you had such a situation?
jon357 63 | 15,045
3 May 2015 #24
Nope - it's in their rules for certain trains. Have you ever got on a night train without a ticket or reservation?


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