Poland - never again

That door awareness is ingrained in us from childhood. So, I hold the door on the way in or out. Recently, I started ignoring Oriental women. Yes, I wrote Oriental.

Because in the history of mankind, a man never got as much as a nod from an Oriental woman as a silent thank you for holding the door. These b****** will not even look at you to at least acknowledge your presence.

As I live in Poland, and you don't, and as you have been told by several other members here, hand kissing is not common or multigenerational.

Also, schools have been obligatory for decades in Poland, so I still don't understand why someone born in the forties would be semi-literate.

Are you refering to me? If so, is my English below the 5th grade?

Normally, I don't debate kids and women. I will make an exception for you for now since you are trying again to insult me personally.

While still on the subject of the thread title, I would like to comment about some of the posters who just hate my guts. Which, btw, I don't give a rat's a** about.

I don't know if this is a Polish trait or just arrested mental developement, calling another person names is infantile and sophomoric. Notice that I didn't include offensive. Over the years, I developed a total immunity to such transgressions, so any attempt to offend me is a waste of time and the forum space.

Since some posters here resort to this method of debating, for their benefit, I would like to suggest that calling somebody a derogatory name is not cool, but still passable as we got used to it while debating liberals. They do it always when they lack fact-based arguments. Hence, racist, xenophobe or islamophobe.

The lowest form of forum life is a person who uses a self-admitted and immutable personal characteristic like age as a weapon. For the reasons which are my own, I admitted that I graduated in 1966. Anyone can do the math and figure out that I am 76 now. I didn't have to disclose it but I did. To use this fact in constructing an insult is beneath contempt.

I remember when kids used to call me "four eyes" because I had glasses. Some of you here are still stuck in the menatlity of the 4th grade. Make your parents proud and grow up.

Never again.

thinking that you are a lying troll =/= hating your guts

thinking that you are a lying troll == almost compassion.... but mild distaste is the strongest emotion you can hope to evoke.... congratulations!?

Thanks for adding to my already low opinion about Poland and its inhabitants.

Do you even know what trolling is? If you ask nicely, I will explain.

Never again.

you keep saying that and yet.... you keep hanging around, like a dog that everybody kicks but has nowhere else to go.

so sad....

@Rich Mazur
No, I wasn't referring to you. The world doesn't revolve around you. Read the previous page if you're really interested in what I talking about. I doubt you will.

Yeah, we get it:
Poland never again - so thank you so much for about 500 posts in a month ... I wonder if that's a record. There's a real life out there ....

You don't like addressing people Pan/Pani.
You 'don't' normally discuss women and kids.
And some other things you have mentioned repeatedly.
Yawn ...

You didn't. I remember you telling this story last year on another thread but the answer I gave then only confirms what others here are saying:


That would be because it's not customary to hold open doors for people in China/Japan/Hong Kong etc, so you are not going to get a thank you for a custom which isn't practised in their native country.

Same with the Pan/Pani argument. Your efforts at trolling only portray you as being judgemental and intolerant of other people and cultures. As you set out to do. Bravo!

Never again.

Fun fact about Poland: children born in 1952 were first to attend grade 8 of primary school. Before that primary school ended with grade 7. Kids went to school on Saturdays, though.

So:
Kids started primary school at 7.
If someone attended liceum they finished it at 18.
18+5 (years at university)=23.
If they graduated in 1966, they were born in1943. Simple math.

I say never again to third best choices when working or travelling abroad. I'm almost 30 so it's not good to waste your life and money visiting and living in places you don't feel drawn to.

Apart from my native country, in Europe I've been seriously been drawn to only to Poland and to a lesser extent to Hungary, Serbia and Romania.

So while Prague is a good city to visit, it's just not Poland, it's a similar culture but not the same... At 30 I am starting to listen to my heart. And it likes Poland, not Czechia. When they told me they move my job to Prague my gut told me Meh! I wanted to go to Warsaw. Sure, Prague is more popular, but I've always prefered Polish movies and TV series to Czech ones for one thing. The sing-songy sound of the language (I prefer it to languages where the stress is always in the beginning like Czech), the pierogy, the Warsaw mermaid...I also liked Polish cars more than the Czech Skodas as a kid hahaha (the Nysa van is really cool, the socialist version of the VW van!). Almost 99% of the Poles I've met have been nice to me. In queues they rarely cause trouble like some other, imperialist nationalities lol.

Why waste your time with third rate replacements? That's like buying a fake knockoff brand of sth that you will hate as it's nothing like the original. I don't care that 8 out of 10 tourists prefer Prague. Prague is like a historic Las Vegas - too touristy but kinda unlivable for long term.

Also from my experiences:
- More than 20 Russians - either rudely standoffish or plain rude. Or they act nice until they get what they need at work only to drop you later.

- Ukrainians - generally nice and friendly. Prone to moodiness but generally good ;)
- Poles - mostly down to earth, good vibes, except of Krakowians that are cordial but keep you at arms length :))
- Slovaks - some are too agressive, we rub each other wrong. But the few nice ones are very nice. Eastern Slovaks are better.
- Czechs - standoffish, acting more Germanic

Not saying they are really like that, but maybe just with me. Which means that one should go with what they have experienced - if Poles rub you the wrong way no need to go there or be close to them. For ex. I scrapped my plans to seriously learn Russian and go to Russia after I saw me and Russians mix like water and oil. The few nice ones I've met have always been from Volgograd or Nizhny Novgorod for some reason.

Btw I try to be tolerant and open minded. However if you see a tendency for some nationalities to make you feel better being around them and others the opposite it makes sense to surround yourself with those you get and who get you. But OP, you don't see me going on Czech, Slovak or Russian forums saying how rude I find them. I just let them go and prefer to be around Poles and Ukrainians.

With Poles and Ukrainians we usually get each other. Not so with other Slavs and Germanic nations (except Anglo saxons).

Avoid those that make you feel bad without being rude about it and be around those that you get.

I am never offended. It's impossible to offend me. You can call me whatever you want. Anyone calling me names to offend is offending himself and his parents.

It is apparent that the reason you fled Poland was for your personal preservation. Spot on. It was like a prison escape or a divorce with extreme prejudice. That is why I had reoccuring nightmares that I am back and clueless how to leave again. That is why I would not go back for the next 50 years and I will never go there again.

Trolling here every day to BAIT people into a p-in contest by you is getting old. One has to be a fish for the bait to work. I post what is on my mind. I have no control over the subsequent reactions. What happened to the "ignore the trolls" advice? Too hard to resist?

...because you have been bullied all your life, as you self admitted... You tend to exaggerate to make your points. I admitted to being ridiculed twice for the way I was built which turned out to be the best gifts a skinny guy can get to get him going to a bodybuilding gym. BTW, I trained with Andrzej Jasinski - the first Polish champ in BB.

I am not scared of anyone because I DON"T THREATEN anyone. Missing toilet paper comments should not be viewed as threats. Or are they in Poland?

@Chemikiem You'll have to remind me please what your answer was, as it has been a while.

I gave the answer in my earlier post, but for some reason the mods have deleted it completely. Maybe 3 quotes in one post was too many. I will give you the link to it:

https://polishforums.com/love/told-men-chivalrous-bunch-72365/2/#msg1610630

@Mods. I am only guessing why my perfectly on-topic answer was deleted from my earlier post. If you are not happy with the link to the on-topic answer, then move it to the bin with an appropriate explanation as to why it was deleted in the first place. Thanks.

You therefore agree that my experience was genuine, if not exactly commonplace. Fine. It's my word vs. your assertion.
Both are equally valid.

Hi there Lyzko. Must back you up on this. Older men certainly do still practise the custom of hand-kissing if they're trying to be extra gentlemanly :)) I've had my hand kissed many times. Also you're right that it's not an 'upper class' thing. A manual labourer is as likely to kiss the lady's hand as a booted and suited type :) One old fellow who kissed my hand told my husband that he did it because I reminded him of the ladies of pre-war Warsaw. Isn't that sweet!

See that, all ye naysayers and those of little faith!

Thanks a bunch, Atch:-)

You're welcome Lyzko. For example our neighbour who's about sixty, just says hello when I meet him in the street but he kissed my hand when I went round to drop off a little gift at Christmas. Certainly for special occasions and first introductions it goes on amongst that generation.

Hopefully, never to become extinct either.

It is interesting how people on here keep talking about Poland being west or european and all that when in reality Polish was once part of the empire and a Russian colony as this guy i dicates on this quora discussion:

quora/Why-was-Poland-occupying-a-part-of-Belarus-Czechoslovakia-and-Ukraine-before-1939

"It is more a case of "Why is Poland now so far west of its original homeland?"

Poland was a Russian colony until the October Revolution in 1917 and the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk. Then at Versailles, its independence was confirmed, in broadly the boundaries you see in the map.

The Soviet Communists always resented its independence, and invaded in 1920. The Soviet operation pushed the Polish forces back westward all the way to the Polish capital, Warsaw, and the fall of Warsaw seemed certain but in mid-August, the tide had turned again, as the Polish forces achieved an unexpected and decisive victory at the Battle of Warsaw. In the wake of the Polish advance eastward, the Soviets sued for peace and the war ended with a ceasefire in October 1920.

A formal peace treaty, the Peace of Riga, was signed on 18 March 1921, dividing the disputed territories between Poland and Soviet Russia. The war largely determined the Soviet-Polish border for the period between the World Wars. Poland gained a territory of around 200 kilometers east of its former border, the Curzon Line which had been defined by an international commission after World War I."

Basically, just because Poland is currentky geographically beryc entral and west doesnt mean it is a central europan culture or country and this is really only a development of the last one hundred years or since ww2. I domt get why so many of you keep claling it non russian or not part of the greater empire at one point and so focused on it being central and not east euro?

German Goo Girls ?

Correction! Go-Go Girls.LOL

I was going to let this thread drift away. I changed my mind - at least for a moment.

Extrapolating from a limited number of data points is always full of risks. But, after two months here, the pattern is clear. Posters outside of Poland may disagree, argue, debate but are never nasty to another poster unprovoked. Those in Poland are just nasty and in a childish way. Like little kids, they can't resist the temptation to end their sentences with personal and disparaging comments. They never explain what "old fool", "old fraud", or "rysiu pysiu" has to do with the subject matter . They do it to show how they feel, facts and logic be damned. Something I remember kids used to do when out of intelligent things to say.

Just as dogs lick their balls because they can, the nasty ones here are nasty because they can. So here is a simple test for you: would you say the same thing if standing in front of the target of your derision?

Never again.

Au contraire, most people agree that I'm a pure delight here, spreading sunshine and happiness. It's the phony non-Poles who foul the atmosphere....

Couldn't agree more, Maf!

@Rich Mazur, I've been registered on this forum for 10 years and I can tell you that you're wrong. All kinds of people have been nasty and childish on this forum no matter whether they were in Poland or not.

Also, complaints about people being nasty and childish coming form someone who makes comments like this: polishforums.com/off-topic/wife-capable-saying-sorry-83422/#msg1642515

...and who calls liberal voters in the US "liberal manure" and claims that he doesn't debate with "women and children" are rather peculiar to say the least.


Well, you know, on one hand there are all kinds of stupid and prejudiced people in this world... Do you remember InPolska who claimed that 99% of Poles think that black people are monkeys? lol I have no doubt that she wasn't trolling and actually believed what she was writing about Poles. On the other hand, it is possible that Rich Mazur is here to provoke people and is enjoying all the undeserved attention that we're giving him :)

As for his claims that he's Polish...
Of course he can be lying. It's the internet.
He claimed to know about some stuff in Poland from the communist times and that, according to him, should prove that he's Polish. That's no proof, obviously. He could quote such stuff from some book about communist times or which was written during those times.

He could be a Russian soldier who was stationed during commie times in Poland. That could explain his poor Polish and the fact that he can quote something from Mickiewicz (+ his blind Russophilia and the repetition of Russian propaganda). In the past I discussed with a Russian woman whose Polish language was native-like and basically flawless despite the fact that she lived in Moscow and claimed that she never visited Poland in her life. She knew Polish literature well. Also other Russians her age were able to quote Polish literature, mainly poetry (just like Poles who discussed with them were quoting Russian literature during those Polish-Russian discussions). Their generation was reading books in Polish, watching Polish films - it was their little window to the West during the Soviet times.

I knew an old Pole, probably around Mazur's age, who also left Poland during 50's or 60's as a young man and lived in the US all his life. He had no problems with Polish language whatsoever so I do have a hard time believing that someone who was born, raised and educated at a university in Poland would somehow forget the Polish language.


There are, of course, people who call others "trolls" or "racists" or "libtards" or "feminazis" just because they don't like what those people are writing, but it doesn't mean that you aren't a troll.

A troll is someone who posts comments mainly to anger or upset people ("yanking their chain", as you put it) and to do that trolls may write inflammatory, controversial opinions. Trolls also sow discord and you, Rich, are very aggressive, offensive, you talk down to people often and you're "наглый", as Russians would put it. For me personally, you're very off-putting as a person, even putting aside your views.

Of course, it is possible that you're not trolling on purpose, maybe that's the way you are, but that would mean you're one weird assh0le at best and a sociopath at worst. You've been on this forum for a very short period of time and yet you have written 579 comments already and managed to antagonise many people. Sociopaths have a lot of energy and their driving force is to dominate others. They use extremely negative words. They feel empathy to a lesser degree than other people. Due to their manipulative tendencies it is difficult to tell whether they are lying or telling the truth. Other characteristics are irritability, aggresiveness and lack of genuine remorse.


So why did johnny change his mind about Rich Mazur... again? From what I can see he's been calling him a troll recently again. What happened?

Btw... Another characteristic of sociopaths is that they may have strong opinions which they then drop to adopt the opposite point of view when it's convenient or makes them look good.

You should have hard time because I never said I forgot the Polish language. I just (1) dislike it, (2) speaking English is easier for me, and (3) I eliminated it from my life as a totally useless skill. Polish-Americans who speak Polish at home are doing themselves a great disservice in terms of promotions at work. I didn't come to the US to add to a Polish ghetto - sorry, community. No, my daughters don't speak a word in Polish, either. After 50 years of English-only I feel about that language the way you feel today about going skating.

There is a difference between saying "liberals are morons" and "Paulina is a moron". I get personal only when some moron here gets personal.

Finally, what business is this of yours to question where I was raised. I don't have to prove anything. Besides, it's impossible to do it over the Internet, even if I wanted, which I don't. Yours "Of course he can be lying" is too stupid to deserve a comment because it presumes that you and others here are relevant in my life enough for me to make the effort to create a fake bio and spend all that time typing about it. No, you are not that important to me.

Pity, Rich, you don't know what you're missing.

I did not teach any Polish to my kids either and also see it as a waste of time.

What am I missing?