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Quality issues in Politechnika Wroclawska. Planning for Politechnika Warszawska. Suggestions.


Guest
6 Jun 2015 #1
I have got admission in Politechnika Wroclawska to study MSc in Computer Science.

After coming here, I have become hopeless. I could not find the complete syllabus either in the web-site of the department or the university. The graduate program has serious issues in quality of teaching, program design, and, course-content. Teachers are not proficient in English. They do not use PowerPoint slides, they use blackboards. They do not give handouts to the students regularly. What they teach is incomprehensible and they put no effort to make them clear. Every day I feel that I am actually learning nothing.

The quality of education seems to be worse than any graduate program in Computer Science in universities in India.

I have wasted one semester and I do not want to continue this program. I am seriously planning to change the university. I have researched the syllabuses of various universities. I found that one of the Computer Science programs in Politechnika Warszawska has a good syllabus. But, I don't know the reality.

So, please, give me some information and suggestions.
sobieski 107 | 2,128
6 Jun 2015 #2
The quality of education seems to be worse than any graduate program in Computer Science in universities in India.

So maybe continue your studies in your country?
Nathans
6 Jun 2015 #3
Politechnika Wroclawska, while a good school, seems a little old-fashioned and too geek-oriented. The one in Warsaw is more open and 'modern' so you'd most likely be happier there. You should be able to transfer most of the current semester classes, if needed.
teargas - | 71
6 Jun 2015 #5
So go back to India.

I mean, you didn't come to Poland for a quality education, right?
OP Guest
6 Jun 2015 #6
I mean, you didn't come to Poland for a quality education, right?

How do you deduce that? What do you think? Why am I here?

Of course I came here for quality education. But, the university made me hopeless.

The web-link I provided is from another guy.
teargas - | 71
6 Jun 2015 #7
The two year free residence permit after graduation tends to have something to do with it.

No-one comes to Poland for a quality education in English, particularly as Germany offers free studies to all students irrespective of origin.

Stick to the topic
OP Guest
6 Jun 2015 #8
as Germany offers free studies to all students irrespective of origin.

I applied in Germany. But, it was very competitive.
DominicB - | 2,704
7 Jun 2015 #9
You might want to try applying again, as well as for schools in other Western European and English-speaking countries.

As you progress in your studies, you are going to encounter greater difficulties, regardless of the school you go to in Poland. These are the chief gripes I hear a lot from Polish engineering students:

1) Practical courses are abysmal, with obsolete equipment that is jealously guarded by uncooperative professors and very tight budgets.

2) There is little cooperation between universities and local business and industry, which greatly reduces opportunities for networking and finding internships and jobs.

3) There is very little R&D done in Poland. For example, the aerospace R&D budget of the small US state of Connecticut is larger than that of the entire country of Poland. Interesting and well-paid jobs gravitate to where the R&D dollars go, so do your research and find out where that is in the area you are interested in.

Also, an MS in computer science is worth a lot less than a masters in engineering in same. And of all the engineering specialties, IT is one of the lowest paid and has one of the lowest lifetime savings potentials because India churns out IT engineers by the thousands. Consider switching to fields that are much better paid like petroleum, geological or biomedical engineering. Or getting an IT engineering degree from an excellent school in a Western European or English speaking country that receives lots of cutting-edge R&D dollars, which often means military applications, and specialize in something exotic.
OP Guest
7 Jun 2015 #10
You might want to try applying again, as well as for schools in other Western European and English-speaking countries.

Since, my money is limited, I was actually planning to complete a masters degree from here and then move elsewhere. But, looks like I am stuck in the middle of my first step.
DominicB - | 2,704
7 Jun 2015 #11
What about returning to India and trying to get into a good engineering school there? Check and see what you may be able to salvage from your studies in Wrocław.
Gosc123456
7 Jun 2015 #12
witam! I am absolutely amazed at all those 3rd Worlders' sudden interest in Poland. Other than seeing Poland as an easy door to enter the EU, I do not see any reason why people from India, Pakistan, Nepal and co. could consider Poland. What's the purpose otherwise to study in Poland where diplomas are useless elsewhere, not to mention their programs in so called "English", not even worth toiler paper and/or to live in Poland, a country where they won't feel comfortable for tons of reasons...

This beats me...

PS: Does the Polish government attract them to "bother" Western European countries since it is obvious that those foreigners mean to move West?
DominicB - | 2,704
7 Jun 2015 #13
PS: Does the Polish government attract them to "bother" Western European countries since it is obvious that those foreigners mean to move West?

If Poland goes through the trouble and expense of providing those foreigners with engineering degrees, then Western countries will not be at all bothered. They will gladly take in all they can get. The advanced countries have a voracious appetite for engineers.
OP Guest
7 Jun 2015 #14
I am absolutely amazed at all those 3rd Worlders' sudden interest in Poland.

I think you forgot that these 3rd worlders are paying you money for their education. And, after coming in Poland, I feel that you need more 3rd worlders to solve your monetary problems.
Gosc123456
7 Jun 2015 #15
@DominicB: what I meant is that it is sure that those 3rd worlders won't stay in Poland but shall plan to move further west. Besides useless diplomas in return for a few groszy, how can Poland be "attractive" to people from India, Nepal,....and co? Poland is a not a "foreigner friendly" country (all those 3rd worlders live among themselves in ghettos), does not provide better economic and social conditions, has a harsh climate (most of the year is awful) and a very difficult (to non slav speakers) language.

@OP: No, you don't pay me anything and it's the other way round. As a (big) taxpayer in Poland for so many years, I pay for your Mickey Mouse "education".
OP Guest
7 Jun 2015 #16
No, you don't pay me anything and it's the other way round.

Then, where does my tuition money go?

Mickey Mouse

What does that mean? Is that a new kind of education specially designed to feed foreigners?
DominicB - | 2,704
7 Jun 2015 #17
@Gość: I agree completely. With rare exceptions, there is little reason for a foreigner to come to study or work in Poland.

@OP: You haven't answered my question about returning to India. If you are not satisfied with the level of technical university education in Poland so early in your student career, it is only going to get worse for the reasons I gave above. It might be best to cut your losses and not chase good money after bad.
teargas - | 71
7 Jun 2015 #18
Guys, guys. Poland is very attractive because it offers a 2 year "free" residence permit without the need to obtain a work permit. Someone from India can come here, pass a ridiculously easy course, get a starter level job in some corporation that will hire anyone with a pulse, and in two years, transfer to richer countries.

It's an established path these days.
Gosc123456
7 Jun 2015 #19
@DominicB: absolutely! Poland is a very "closed" country and only those of Polish origin, or those with Polish spouses can really live (and fit) in Polish society and that's the reason why I am "amazed" at those people's sudden interest in Poland. I suppose entering Poland is very easy, so it's the entrance door to richer Western Europe.

Indians and Pakistanis would feel better with no doubt in UK. Here, they do not even interact with Poles. What's the use then? ;)

@Teargas: thanks for info! Nevertheless, it does not guarantee any job ;).

@OP: your small tuition most probably does not cover all the expenses and therefore Polish Sate (= taxpayers) have to pay too...

"Mickey Mouse" is an American expression meaning your "diploma" is just a joke, or bs....
OP Guest
7 Jun 2015 #20
This thread started with some bad replies and ended with some bad. The whole thread has become totally useless. The whole discussion is pointing towards nothing. I am more confused and frustrated.

You haven't answered my question about returning to India.

But, I will have another try in Warsaw. Because, their syllabus looks very good. And, I don't still believe that a country within the EU doesn't have a quality higher educational institute. And, a university situated in the capital city of a European country doesn't provide good education.
DominicB - | 2,704
7 Jun 2015 #21
get a starter level job in some corporation that will hire anyone with a pulse

That's where I lose you. Finding a job in Poland is quite a challenge, and there are few, if any, companies that hire anyone with a pulse. I do agree, though, that this is what must be going through the heads of a lot of the foreigners who come to study in Poland.
teargas - | 71
7 Jun 2015 #22
But, I will have another try in Warsaw. Because, their syllabus looks very good.

The thing is, the instruction in good universities is quite good in Polish. The various technical universities have been producing an astounding amount of talented graduates, but they all have one thing in common. That thing in common is that they study in Polish, not in English.
OP Guest
7 Jun 2015 #23
The main problem I am facing in Wroclaw is, (1)The program is mostly theoretical which I don't like and didn't anticipate, and, (2) Their syllabus is predominantly composed of math which I am not very used to with.

That thing in common is that they study in Polish, not in English.

In my graduate program there are 16 polish students. Only me is non-Polish. The class-size is 17.
DominicB - | 2,704
7 Jun 2015 #24
That thing in common is that they study in Polish, not in English.

Agree that the English-language programs are usually inferior.

The program is mostly theoretical

A MAJOR complaint of all STEM students in Poland, compounded with the fact that the theory taught is often outdated or otherwise not that relevant anymore, if it ever was. Theoretical courses are cheap for the university. Practical courses cost a fortune.

Their syllabus is predominantly composed of math

For that you should be grateful. It will make it easier for you to transfer to a good engineering program. Math courses are also the most portable. You can get recognition for the work done if you return to India, so that much of your time has not been wasted. You're going to have a much harder time transferring credit for the other courses.
Gosc123456
7 Jun 2015 #25
@OP: since education in Poland does not fit you, why do you stay? As to other Polish students in your class, they don't have either the English language skills or the money or both to study in England (other English-speaking countries). Studying in English in a NON-English speaking countries is a joke.

"... a .... country...."
OP Guest
7 Jun 2015 #26
Studying in English in a NON-English speaking countries is a joke.

Yes, you are right. If I had enough money to go to UK or USA, I would have never come to Poland.
DominicB - | 2,704
7 Jun 2015 #27
If I had enough money to go to UK or USA, I would have never come to Poland.

Actually, studying in the US can be much cheaper than studying in Poland. You can qualify for a full-ride merit scholarship that covers all tuition, fees and living expenses, or find work that significantly covers part or all of your expenses. That is pretty much out of the question in Poland.
Gosc123456
7 Jun 2015 #28
@OP: unfortunately studying in the USA and in UK (he most expensive in Europe) cost an arm and a leg but the "choice" is not "USA/UK" and "Poland". Of course, if in English, best to study in English speaking countries. I don't know how much it costs, but you could look into Ireland (besides friendly people, and much more open than Poles), Malta? I have seen on tv that a lot of Britons go to Holland to study since good programs in English and studies cost "a few coins" compared to UK. I don't know whether a lot of European countries offer programs in English. Outside Europe, you may look into other English-speaking countries. And why not simply India? English is a national language in India (contrary to Poland ;)) and I suppose technical studies are not any worse than in Poland.

Sorry, but Poland when from India does not make any sense. It's cheaper but so what? Furthermore as cheating is a national sport in Poland, Polish diplomas have very little value. Even if cheaper in Poland, it's a waste of money....
OP Guest
7 Jun 2015 #29
You can qualify for a full-ride merit scholarship

I don't qualify for that. I didn't appear for GRE test.
Gosc123456
7 Jun 2015 #30
@DominicB: yes, in case of scholarship/grant, studying in the USA would come up cheaper (+ more valuable) than in Poland.


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