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Which is the best university to study international/european law and international relation in Poland?


van6190
12 Jan 2015 #1
which is the best university to study international/european law and international relation in Poland ? please can any one answer since i am planning to study in Poland?
Monitor 14 | 1,820
12 Jan 2015 #2
1. Uniwersytet Warszawski
2. Uniwersytet Jagielloński
3. Uniwersytet w Białymstoku
4. Uniwersytet £ódzki
5. Uniwersytet Adama Mickiewicza w Poznaniu
5. Uniwersytet Kardynała Stefana Wyszyńskiego w Warszawie
6. Uniwersytet Gdański
6. Uniwersytet Mikołaja Kopernika w Toruniu
7. Uniwersytet Śląski w Katowicach
7. Uniwersytet Marii Curie Skłodowskiej w Lublinie
8. Uniwersytet Wrocławski
9. Uniwersytet Warmińsko-Mazurski w Olsztynie
10. Krakowska Akademia im. Andrzeja Frycza Modrzewskiego
10. Uniwersytet Szczeciński

But don't expect to have a job after such specialty.
DominicB - | 2,709
12 Jan 2015 #3
Why not a top school like Georgetown, London School of Economics or Berkeley? A degree in international relations isn't worth much unless it's from one of the top schools. If you can't get in to the top schools, study engineering, or any other STEM field with lots and lots of advanced applied math.
OP van6190
12 Jan 2015 #4
but UK is much much costlier. i could have have choosed UK 2 years ago without any doubt but now i am 20 yrs old and have wasted my last 2 years dropping out from 2 colleges and wasted a lot of money already and now i have finally decided to study European Studies in Europe. Since Poland is much cheaper than UK, i am choosing Poland over UK so that i can study peacefully and live like king. How is Wroclaw University and University of Gdansk. are they good for European Studies or are there any other college better than that in Poland
Monitor 14 | 1,820
12 Jan 2015 #5
Studies for foreigners are free in Germany and perhaps some other countries, so if you cannot afford UK, then check Germany and perhaps think about some other specialty as DominicB has suggested. And 20 years old is not a problem. Problem may be, when you will realize graduating the law at the age of 24, that you cannot find any job and have to study something else again.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,839
12 Jan 2015 #6
but uk is much much costlier

well there is a reason for that, no offence to anyone intended.
mrbhomp
12 Jan 2015 #7
Lol graduating from universities of UK or US doesn't mean you will get a job either. i have known so many guys in my friend circle who have gone to best schools in UK and us for studying engineering and all and still jobless and returned back. I don't care if i get a job, either way i have to go for law practice or internships to gain experience and then may be my resume will be good to get job offers or to apply. Today no one gets a guaranteed job without experience even if u graduate from top schools . i just don't wanna end up like those people who spent almost 35000 euros for degree and end up with no job. plus even if they get jobs they are not much different than those who are going to less reputed university. at the end everyone is at same level. if i can get a good degree from reputed university in a beautiful place with great weather and with much less money, then why not. And as for the job you need to have and experience at basic level to get an offer or apply in any of it.
OP van6190
12 Jan 2015 #8
^spot on
Monitor 14 | 1,820
12 Jan 2015 #9
i have known so many guys in my friendcircle who have gone to best schools in uk and us for studying engineering and all and still jobless and returned back.

There are single experiences and there is statistics. Statistics says that you have much better chances of employment with engineering diploma.
DominicB - | 2,709
12 Jan 2015 #10
Indeed. If you took a poll of the baristas at Starbucks, the burger flippers at MacDonald's, and the shelf stockers at Tesco, you would find at least a thousand international relations grads for each engineering grad. The difference being that it is a career for humanities majors, and only a way station for STEM grads.

@Van6190: Studying humanities anywhere except at the top universities in the world is a pointless waste of time and money because there are more unemployed humanities grads in this world than cockroaches, and nowhere near enough jobs to go around. Don't commit career suicide. Study engineering, especially petroleum, geological or biomedical engineering. And do it at an ABET accredited school, of which there are none in Poland.
OP van6190
12 Jan 2015 #11
so , Is engineering in Poland good or simply Poland is not good enough for international studies?
DominicB - | 2,709
12 Jan 2015 #12
There are good engineering schools in Poland, but unfortunately, none of them are ABET accredited, which might be a problem with getting your diploma recognized elsewhere. The best engineering schools in Poland are Politechnika Warszawska and SGH in Kraków. However, if you are from India, the engineering schools there are at least as good as in Poland, and some of them are ABET accredited.

The things that Polish engineering grads complain about are:
1) practical courses are behind the times, with outdated equipment;
2) there is limited partnership with local businesses and industry, and there is little in the way of R&D done in the country, so opportunities for internships and good jobs are limited.

3) getting degrees recognized in the West is complicated.

Foreign students complain mostly about the weather, which can be very cold and wet, and also about the fact that it is next to impossible to find part-time jobs during studies or any jobs at all at the completion of studies. Nor is any form of student aid, scholarships, fellowships or loans available for foreign students. Another thing is that flying home for holidays or visits is terribly expensive.

So keep these things in mind when making your plans, especially the fact that earning money is impossible during your studies. Make your plans on the very safe assumption that you will not earn a single penny during your stay in Poland.
Monitor 14 | 1,820
12 Jan 2015 #13
Both are true. Engineering in Poland is not bad and Poland is not good for International students because Polish diplomas aren't much valued in the west. Luckily engineers can have their knowledge relatively fast checked on interview and trial period and as long as there is demand for them (because for example in Greece or Spains there is not much now) no diploma from prestigous university is not a problem. But if you can do study in the west, because you will have easier access to internships in western companies which do more R&D (do more engineering work) than Polish.
OP van6190
13 Jan 2015 #14
what about business/finance study in Poland?
DominicB - | 2,709
13 Jan 2015 #15
Basically the same problem as international relations: far too many people study these majors, and there are not enough jobs to go around.

The exceptions are financial engineering, econometrics and actuarial sciences, all very difficult heavy math-intensive specialties that have good job prospects.

A simple rule to remember is that math is money. The more advanced applied math a program requires of you, the more useful it is on the job market. Avoiding advanced applied math is the same as avoiding success. Graduates of math-free and low-math majors end up parking cars and polishing shoes for their more successful STEM peers. Now is the time for you to decide whether you want to be a winner or a loser. Choose lots of heavy-duty math and sciences, and your chances of success go up dramatically. Choose humanities and business/finance/economics, and your chances of being a waiter or hotel receptionist for the rest of your life go op even more dramatically. It's up to you to choose to be on the winning team. Don't disappoint your parents. And your children.

Also, Poland is not the place to study financial engineering, econometrics or actuarial sciences. Germany would be the best option for these programs and also for engineering programs.
OP van6190
13 Jan 2015 #16
And do it at an ABET accredited school, of which there are none in Poland.

That's because Polish universities does nor have any engineering studies which is basically of 4 years (8 semester). In Poland it is 7 semester bachelor of science programme.

T he basic engineering course has to be at least 4 years of university studies to get a degree i.e bs (4years) B.E 4 years or B-tech 4years which is officially an engineering course. that's why Polish universities are not listed in ABET.

However, if you are from India, the engineering schools there are at least as good as in Poland, and some of them are ABET accredited.

LOL among Indian universities there are only 2 private universities which are not even in top world 500 universities list. In India the most prestigious and best universities are iit's(Indian institute of technology) which comes in top 100 universities in the world where countries most highest paid salaried graduates pass out every years and it is a public(government) university. So , i presume ABET only lists private technical universities in their site.

Now is the time for you to decide whether you want to be a winner or a loser.

I don't wanna sound negative here, i don't know what type of people you meet or come across, they are probably the most dumbest people in earth like seriously you get a bachelors in management or law and you F@#k@#g park cars and work as a waiters. You either have the most talentless and stupid people around your circle i must say.

2 years back when i dropped college, instead of wasting time i actually joined in diploma course in graphic design and web design which last for around 15-16 months. And with that degree(diploma) i got a job in web design field at a small scale company and that too with ease which i did for 9-10 months (i left it 2 weeks back) and i used to get paid fine as 19 year old fresher.

Now is the time for you to decide whether you want to be a winner or a loser.

I guess you are being too negative here or very obsessed with engineering. My dad is an engineering in the biggest steel plant of country and even my big brother did an engineering eventually ended up in a software company after studying mechanical engineering. Plus here 80% of jobless people have engineering degrees or they end up in a software field and those who take management studies get easily placed in a company of their stream. Only engineers graduate are working in well known industries or company who graduate from iit's. Plus i don't have any interest in engineering so would i even study 4 years even knowing job is not guaranteed ( it's not guaranteed anywhere, its you who have to excel to best whatever you choose).

Make your plans on the very safe assumption that you will not earn a single penny during your stay in Poland.

I know i can't make money in Poland while i am studying 3 years neither can i make any money while i am studying in any place of the world. My job is to give my best for 3 years and get degree simple enough. While vacation i am not even planing to visit my home instead i will enroll in an international internship program me during that small period to gain some experience(though i have 10 months experience in web design field) which i can only afford if i enroll in Polish university and plus i don't wanna rely on my father's bank account fort studying in US or UK

Graduates of math-free and low-math majors end up parking cars and polishing shoes for their more successful STEM peers.

That's the most stupidest comment i have ever read in my whole life LOL. I am so laughing at you man.
Monitor 14 | 1,820
13 Jan 2015 #17
LOL among indian universities there are only 2 private unuiversities which are not even in top world 500 universities list.

So you have confirmed what DominicB wrote. Poland doesn't have any technical university in top 500.

i don't know what type of people you meet or come across, they are probably the most dumbest people in earth like seriously you get a bachelors in management or law and you F@#k@#g park cars and work as a waiters.

Where are you from? This is reality in Poland, where 50% of young graduate university and management happens to be one of the easiest to get into and pass specialties. Perhaps it's not so common in India, where 50% graduate primary school...

diploma course in graphic design and web design

Because currently there is demand for that. But there is no demand for inexperienced International Lawyers or Management graduates.

My dad is an engineering in the biggest steel plant of country and even my big brother did an engineering eventually ended up in a software company after studying mechanical engineering.

That's caused by ease of IT outsourcing and current boom in IT. But In advanced engineering economies like Germany IT people don't really earn more than other engineers (yes, programmers are engineers too).

Plus here 80% of jobless people have engineering degrees or they end up in a software

You see, they don't end up unemployed.

and those who take management studies get easily placed in a company of their stream.

This is reality in India?

it's not guaranteed anywhere, its you who have to excel to best whatever you choose

So why don't you study management if it nearly guarantee good job?

I know i can't make money in Poland while i am studying 3 years neither can

But in Poland, expect if you study Computer Science, you will not get a job after graduation too.
OP van6190
13 Jan 2015 #18
You simply don't get my point do you? I have never asked about how is job opportunities in POLAND as i am not looking forward to settle in Poland obviously. I like exploring and i admire Europe, well that's the reason i wanna spend my graduation time in Europe in some affordable recognized university. And to go for international internships in Europe while i study which only i can afford if i study in Poland where almost within 9000 Euros the bachelors will get finished which is generally same as here.

Just assume if i take admissions in engineering or whatever into one of best universities in USA OR UK, where i am mostly sure i won't land up a job after completion of course because of many reason(visa and stay permit and blah blah) . And what after that coming home almost spend 50000 $ and returning home searching for job in your own motherland and cannot even ask my parents more money to start any other business lol. And i have seen many people in debts after going to best universities of USA. USA is a biggest fraud in higher education system with international students unless you are very very bright and you may land up a job in their country or else they straight away show you the Exit door after your education is over. Plus i cannot do internships in vacations since i am almost spending 50000$, i cannot afford to use any more money in internships.

Now if i enroll in Polish university, i spent almost 9000 euros for bachelor + internships in vacation and return to home after completion of course less burdened since i have not spent over money in education. Plus i can even start my own entrepreneurship business or go for a job with an international degree and no debts obviously which will be a huge positive.

before you say that Polish degree will not useful in any other country let me say you-

1. If you do BSc engineering 7 semester. ( This is not valued as a engineering course anywhere in the world but will regarded as regular Bachelor science course)

In India or in most countries r foreign degree is valued only if students study in specialized course from government accredited university of that country. Like-

1.for engineering minimum(BE or Bs) 4 years of study from accredited universities (may be in Poland they accept 3.5 yrs study as engineering but not in most parts of the world)

2. BA Minimum 3 years of education)
3. Bsc (minimum 3 years of education)
4. LLB (LAW)- DEPENDS ON THE COUNTRY , in europe 3 yrs is acceptable by most countries
India- minimum 5 yrs and 4 years in some countries of the world
5. management ( 3 years)

1. Uniwersytet Warszawski
2. Uniwersytet Jagielloński
3. Uniwersytet w Białymstoku
4. Uniwersytet £ódzki
5. Uniwersytet Adama Mickiewicza w Poznaniu
5. Uniwersytet Kardynała Stefana Wyszyńskiego w Warszawie
6. Uniwersytet Gdański
6. Uniwersytet Mikołaja Kopernika w Toruniu
7. Uniwersytet Śląski w Katowicach
7. Uniwersytet Marii Curie Skłodowskiej w Lublinie
8. Uniwersytet Wrocławski
9. Uniwersytet Warmińsko-Mazurski w Olsztynie
10. Krakowska Akademia im. Andrzeja Frycza Modrzewskiego
10. Uniwersytet Szczeciński

since above listed are all accredited and public universities, i won't be having any trouble getting job in my country if i have an international degree from these universities but If i enroll in a privatized universities in Poland or other countries there may be a problem to make my degree valuable in the home country

You see, they don't end up unemployed.

Jobless means unemployed -_-

Because currently there is demand for that. But there is no demand for inexperienced International Lawyers or Management graduates.

my girlfriend in final year of BBM (bachelor of business management)course and she is already placed with some company and same is the case with most of her friends and many other people i know of.
Monitor 14 | 1,820
13 Jan 2015 #19
You simply don't get my point do you? I have never asked about how is job opportunities in POLAND as i am not looking forward to settle in Poland obviously.

But Polish degrees don't have higher value than Indian in western Europe, so why would you study in Poland if not intending to work there later?

in Europe in some affordable recognized university. And to go for international internships in Europe while i study

But study in Poland will make only distance lower. In Europe there are only 2 English speaking countries: Ireland and UK (maybe Malta too, but it's tiny). So if you don't speak German or French you won't get internship there. And now Ireland has got crisis and competition for internships and graduate jobs is fierce there and UK is diploma factory for people from all around the world so the situation is similar. It's very unlikely that you will get into internship there if you study in Poland since British consider their universities superior to Polish. So it seems that you have forgotten that European Union is not United State and people speak different languages here.

Plus i can even start my own entrepreneurship business or go for a job with an international degree and no debts obviously which will be a huge positive.

You can start your business now too and there is no such thing as international degree.

1. If you do BSc engineering 7 semester. ( This is not valued as a engineering course anywhere in the world but will regarded as regular Bachelor science course)

Polish Engineering degrees are honored in whole European Union. But must people do later Magister (Master) diploma anyway.

since above listed are all accredited and public universities, i won't be having any trouble getting job in my country if i have an international degree from these universities but If i enroll in a privatized universities in Poland or other countries there may be a problem to make my degree valuable in the home country

All universities in Poland are accredited. Otherwise they wouldn't be allowed to be called university. So in the end you want to study European law in Poland in order to get a job back in India or in UK?

You know what, if you want study this international law in Poland. At least we will make some money on you. But if you want to have a job in the west afterward here is simple instruction: Learn German. Study computer science, electrical engineering or mechanical engineering in Germany. If you cannot get accepted into free studies in Germany do 1st level in India (or in Poland) and then do Master in Germany. In case you cannot get accepted into free master in Germany you will have to pay for 2 years only (and it's cheaper than in UK or USA). As Engineering graduate with MSc from the biggest European country with lowest unemployment and knowledge of it's language you will get a job there. I know few Indians who successfully did exactly that.

You won't get a job in International Law in Germany, because to work in humanities perfect knowledge of the language is necessary and competition for job is bigger.
OP van6190
13 Jan 2015 #20
You simply don't get my point do you? I have never asked about how is job opportunities in POLAND as i am not looking forward to settle in Poland obviously.

But Polish degrees don't have higher value than Indian in western Europe, so why would you study in Poland if not intending to work there later?

Just because i admire Europe a lot and Poland is a beautiful( i am an explorer freak) so why not and plus weather here is too damn hot i hate .P.s i know i have to come back again.

You can start your business now too and there is no such thing as international degree.

No, i cannot unless i am intelligent as mark zuckerberg, I do not know much about entrepreneurship. So that's why i need to study and plus to make my resume look i good i need to get a Degree and everyone should for the future. Its process of Life, Degree is much important, Bachelor is a must and in today's world people don't even give a f#$k even you have a masters. So, just imagine just being a High school for the rest of your life.

Study computer science, electrical engineering or mechanical engineering in Germany.

I am learning German from past 2 months. But after recent research, i don't think i will study LLB 3 years in Europe as it will be big risk if i cannot find a job in Europe , it will be useless in India or i have to do again 2 years masters to get it recognized.

May be i will go with finance or intern. Marketing/ business management will be the best thing and even engineering will be useless there as its only 3 yrs and it doesn't appeal me a lot.

I don't think there are universities in Germany which provide bachelor's degree in English as mode of instruction (i did not find any). The free fees is for those who are residents of EU and only master programme has English as mode of instruction. I have already got some info from my cousin who is doing his PhD in Germany.
Monitor 14 | 1,820
13 Jan 2015 #21
The free fees is for those who are residents of EU

No:

Study Abroad 365 has put together a list of 25 universities in Germany that are tuition free for international students seeking to study in Germany.

topuniversities.com/forum/studying-abroad-general-discussion/free-tuition-universities-germany-cost-living-visa-application-admission-deadline

I don't think there are universities in Germany whichprovide bachelor's degree in English as mode of instruction (i did not find any).

Official website shows 167 undergraduate programs in English: tiny.cc/x1iesx
I love Poland
13 Apr 2015 #22
Merged: Where to study international relations in Poland?

Hi everybody! I'm a foreign student in Poland, I'm gonna finish my 9 months Polish course and begin studying international relations for the next academic year (2015-2016), I'm confused which university to choose, can you give me some advise? which university is best choice to study International relations? ( UW, UJ, SGH...)
DominicB - | 2,709
13 Apr 2015 #23
Pretty much a waste of time studying international relations as a foreign student anywhere in Poland. What do you hope to do with the degree? Flip burgers at McDonald's? Stock shelves at Tesco?

Sorry, but international relations is a useless field of study unless you are a top student at a top school, as practically all "humanities" fields are (the fields that don't have lots and lots of math). Study something useful with lots of applied math so that you will be able to find a job in the future, support yourself and your family and enjoy life. Something useful like petroleum, geological or biomedical engineering, econometrics, actuarial sciences. financial mathematics or financial engineering.

Math is money, kid. Learn that lesson now, or spend the rest of your life parking the cars and polishing the shoes of those who do learn. The choice is yours.
guyfromafrica
15 Apr 2015 #24
Merged: Is Wroclaw University good for studying Law?

Hi

I am from Africa and want to study LLB at the University Wrocław. I want opinions on that law school and what how is the opportunities in international law in Poland
I love Poland
10 May 2015 #25
Merged: where to study international relations in Polish language? UW vs UJ vs SGH?

which one would you choose if you were me?
DominicB - | 2,709
10 May 2015 #26
Georgetown, LSE, Berkeley, Johns Hopkins, Cambridge, Stanford, Yale, ..... about 500 others schools before you hit anything in Poland.
Timmo
22 Jan 2016 #27
Merged: Aerospace Engineering & Political Science job perspetives in Poland. What should I study?

Hey all,

Aerospace Engineering in Politechnika Warszawska or Political Science in Uniwersytet Wrocławski.

Im planning to studying bachelor degree of these two sections.To tell the truth, Im not good in Math and Physics thats why I believe that Political Science can be better option for me. If I graduate bachelor degree Political Science in Wroclaw Can I get good job offers in future? I have been thinking for a long time and would like to study engineering but actually Im not sure I can.

What guys do you think about these sections? Or any else? Like Economy, International Business, etc.

Im also thinking about SGH. Global Business, Finance and Governance (BA)
WaqUp - | 1
8 Jul 2017 #28
I am a 60 years old wishing to add another masters from a university in Poland. Already hold Masters in strategic studies, and now looking at Maters in International relations.....

Anyone to guide or comment please.
DominicB - | 2,709
8 Jul 2017 #29
@WaqUp

Why do you want to get a masters at your age? Why in international relations? Why from Poland? Do you speak Polish? And where are you from?

Generally, a masters in international relations is not worth very much career-wise unless it is earned at a top school like Georgetown or Berkeley. Generally, degrees from English-language programs at Polish universities are not worth much on the job market.

A more specific answer would require more specific about yourself, your background and your goals.


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