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WOODEN HUNTERS TOWERS ON MY LAND in POLAND.....is it legal....?


wildrover 98 | 4,455
6 Jul 2011  #1
I returned to my farm a few days ago from a short trip to a airshow piknik to find....

Somebody had put one of those wooden towers that hunters like to sit in and take potshots from..on my land...!

Outside of the farm yard and garden , which is fenced , well sort of , its a bit past its best , but outside of this area is an area of what i like to call managed wild garden with trees and long grass which is part of my farm , i own it...

Beyond this is a cultivated area , which is not mine...

Now i can understand somebody thinking this area of uncultivated land is state land and is not private property , but in any case this tower , which some Burak will come and sit in at night swigging beer and firing a high powered rifle into the darkness is a bit too dam close to my house...

I am not anti hunting , i know its a noble art and all that kak , but my own view is that i would not shoot any wild animal unless it was going to eat me , or i was starving and needed to eat it , or if it was in pain and suffering... The idea of shooting something for fun is just not for me...

I quite like that wild deer and boar come very close to my house , almost to my window , and two deer have been coming to visit me for the five years i have been here... There is not much i can do about people hunting near my farm , but i don,t really want some beer burak near my house with a gun , i am afraid my military instincts kick in when shots are fired near me...i want to shoot back...!

I think i posted once before about one of these wooden towers on my land , but that was a false alarm , it just got built on my land , and was later moved some distance away...

So..refresh my memory , is it legal to put this thing on my land , and if so , how far does it have to be away from any house...??

I really don,t know why the hunters bother to shoot near my land...once i get the Harley fired up all the wildlife for miles goes running..... I always feel the urge to rev the nuts off it when i see hunters.... don,t know why...?

Some of my friends say its not legal , and that i should just pull the tower down with my Jeep and drive over it...but i don,t want to do it if its there legally....i will just scare all the animals away with my loud Harley....... Oh...one more thing , i have the registration number of the guy who put this tower up...if i find out where he lives , is it ok for me and a few biker friends to go round his house for a gril and a few beers........?
Bzibzioh
6 Jul 2011  #2
those wooden towers

They are called ambony (sing. ambona)

Yes, they are legal. You can ask or complain in gmina. Some hunting ring (koło łowieckie) is renting it.
rybnik 18 | 1,462
6 Jul 2011  #3
forgive the question. But how could it be legal if the property is privately-owned? Unless, there are provisions made for hunters??
Bzibzioh
6 Jul 2011  #4
But how could it be legal if the property is privately-owned?

That's the law (prawo łowieckie). It's totally different than in US.
JonnyM 11 | 2,622
6 Jul 2011  #5
how could it be legal if the property is privately-owned?

Exactly. If it's on someone's land and they didn't give permission, they can remove it.
OP wildrover 98 | 4,455
6 Jul 2011  #6
they can remove it.

Do i have to keep it intact in case they want it back...or can i drive my Jeep over it and use it for firewood....?
JonnyM 11 | 2,622
6 Jul 2011  #7
Do i have to keep it intact in case they want it back

Quite possibly.

or can i drive my Jeep over it and use it for firewood....?

Personally I'd do just that and deny all knowledge. Or just chuck petrol on it and watch it go up in flames, with a drink in hand.
Bzibzioh
6 Jul 2011  #8
If it's on someone's land and they didn't give permission,

Koło łowieckie doesn't need permission from the land owner.

they can remove it.

No, they can't.

or can i drive my Jeep over it and use it for firewood....?

Yes but only if you are interested in checking Polish prison from inside.
rybnik 18 | 1,462
6 Jul 2011  #9
It's totally different than in US

No kidding! :)
OP wildrover 98 | 4,455
6 Jul 2011  #10
Or just chuck petrol on it and watch it go up in flames, with a drink in hand.

That may not be a good idea...i live on the edge of a forest...!
Bzibzioh
6 Jul 2011  #11
.i live on the edge of a forest...!

... and that's exactly why ambona is there :)
OP wildrover 98 | 4,455
6 Jul 2011  #12
do you know how far away from any house this tower has to be....?

I don,t know anyone else thats had one put so close to the house....
JonnyM 11 | 2,622
6 Jul 2011  #13
That may not be a good idea...i live on the edge of a forest...!

So just use the firewood - if it appeared on your land without even a note of explanation you can assume it's a gift.
George8600 10 | 637
6 Jul 2011  #14
Just burn it down and when they ask tell them the deer did it.
OP wildrover 98 | 4,455
6 Jul 2011  #15
So just use the firewood

I am tempted...but i have to bear in mind that i am about to apply for residency in Russia , and any trouble with the Police in Poland would not go down to well with the FSB...

I have recently had to send them documents from both the UK and Polish police to prove i am not a criminal... I think Russia has enough of their own....

Ha..tell em the deer did it.... everyone knows its the wild boars that do that sort of thing....!
FlaglessPole 4 | 669
6 Jul 2011  #16
That may not be a good idea...i live on the edge of a forest...!

If you somehow could turn the whole thing upside-down and place, whatever is used for sitting inside the 'ambona', on top of one of the up-turned tower legs, that I would like to see, the expression on the hunter's face.
OP wildrover 98 | 4,455
6 Jul 2011  #17
If you somehow could turn the whole thing upside-down

Not a problem...i have a 4 x 4 that could drag it any which way...

Usually they consist of tower with a small box on top with a roof , but this one is the basic model , just a ladder going up to a platform with an angled bit of wood to serve as a backrest....a kind of open top fair weather one....

I did think about just knocking all the steps off the ladder so nobody can climb up it....
David_18 68 | 982
6 Jul 2011  #18
@Wildrover

I saw a filmclipp about this.

A guy in a apartment heard is neighbour drill in the wall, The first minutes he did not really care, but after 30 mins or so he started to get mad but still he did not bother to knock on the neighbours door and tell him to stop. After 2 hours he got so mad so he went berzerk and knocked on the door BOM BOM BOM and yelled at the neighbour CAN YOU STOP DRILL ON MY WALL.

The neighbour said calmly why do you scream? you could have just asked and i would have stopped.

The reason with this story is that instead of sitting there and gather your anger untill you go berzerk and do something stupid you can just ask, simple.

So try to talk to the guy and see what happends instead of getting these fantasies about driving to his garden with 5 lads and camp in his garden lol xD
OP wildrover 98 | 4,455
6 Jul 2011  #19
The reason with this story is that instead of sitting there and gather your anger untill you go berzerk and do something stupid you can just ask, simple.

You mean be reasonable.....its one way i suppose....??

The only problem with that approach , is that if he tells me to go fook myself , he is gonna suspect that i am the one thats driven a Russian army six wheel drive truck over his wooden construction....!
JonnyM 11 | 2,622
6 Jul 2011  #20
Saw through the legs very carefully. But be careful of leaving forensics!
OP wildrover 98 | 4,455
6 Jul 2011  #21
Saw through the legs very carefully.

Ha...i already thought of that one....

but just saw through one leg , and leave the sawn piece in place with a long wire to my Jeep....

wait till he gets to the top......drive down to the shops...shouting...TIMBER...!
FlaglessPole 4 | 669
6 Jul 2011  #22
wait till he gets to the top......drive down to the shops...shouting...TIMBER...!

imagine he'd shout back: Franek, bardzo mi miło!
David_18 68 | 982
6 Jul 2011  #23
The only problem with that approach , is that if he tells me to go fook myself , he is gonna suspect that i am the one thats driven a Russian army six wheel drive truck over his wooden construction....!

That's also a way to solve this matter lol
z_darius 14 | 3,971
6 Jul 2011  #24
Ha...i already thought of that one....

but just saw through one leg , and leave the sawn piece in place with a long wire to my Jeep....

Illegal as specified by Prawo Lowieckie.

However, the same Prawo Lowieckie (Hunting Laws) states the following:

Art. 12. Dzierżawcy i zarządcy obwodów łowieckich mogą, po uzyskaniu zgody właściciela, posiadacza lub zarządcy gruntu, wyznaczać i oznakowywać zakazem wstępu obszary stanowiące ostoje zwierzyny oraz wznosić urządzenia związane z prowadzeniem gospodarki łowieckiej.

Art. 12. Lessee and administrators of hunting areas may, having obtain permission from the owner or from the administrator of the grounds, define and mark as inaccessible the areas inhabited by game, and to erect structures associated with with hunting (industry/activity)

Now, I'm not a lawyer so there may be a catch.

But... I am sure that, as and owner of the ground you can travel fairly close to those towers. I also hope you still have your Harley. Use low gear, rev it up as soon as you notice some action on the ambona. One of those 5 million candle spot lights (inexpensive) will make it easier for you to see from afar at night. Who knows, you might even spot a deer or a boar running away from the bright light.

If for now other reason, I would do just that to make sure I am safe with someone at the edge of the forest. Heck, I'd even care about the fellow human being up there on he ambona. Drive up a few times and offer beer. At 1.30 am. Sing a drinking song, Polish or English.

If you want to be a little less noticeable get the cheapest pay-as-you-go cell phone. Ideally two. Place them around the edge of the forest. One around the edge of the forest, the other about 30 to 50 meters deeper. Make sure the ambona and the cells form a somewhat straight line. Call one when the hunters show up. Then call the other phone. Just two signals. Perhaps even just one. On an off. Then pause. Observe if the hunter is looking for the source. If so, stay low. Give him 30-60 minutes, let him get his confidence back. If he's climbing the ambona for whatever reason give him a ring too. He won't be able to located the direction with his back to the source of the sound.

You can experiment with the location of the phones. Who knows, perhaps the triangle arrangement would be better. Perhaps placing one on the ground and the other up on a tree would create an even more confusing effect.

Oh, make sure the phones are light-tight as to not be seen at night should they emit light when ringing, and that the ringer is set to high. Heck, you could even use one of the custom custom rings. Only your imagination is the limit, but in the spirit of age long Polish tradition I'd suggest speech sounds such as "Spierdalaj", or "Ty chuju". Use native speakers, of course.

Have fun.
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
6 Jul 2011  #25
Just go to council and appraise yourself of the law surrounding this issue, there is got to be some sort of law regarding the proximity of this thing to your house. I am sure they would have restrictions on how close the thing can be to your house-after all you don't want to die of a heart attack in the middle of the night when you hear a gunshot.

for good measure-measure the distance between your house and the box, in case they ask you.
rybnik 18 | 1,462
6 Jul 2011  #26
I am sure they would have restrictions on how close the thing can be to your house-after all you don't want to die of a heart attack in the middle of the night when you hear a gunshot.

I'm curious. Here in New Jersey it's illegal(I know, I know it's done anyway) to hunt at night especially with lights, that blind the deer. Does the same hold true in Poland?
hythorn 3 | 580
6 Jul 2011  #27
i would not shoot any wild animal unless it was going to eat me , or i was starving and needed to eat it , or if it was in pain and suffering...

are you a vegetarian?
if not this smacks of double standards
you are happy to eat meat as long as someone has done your dirty work for you

as far as I am aware the hunting circles in Poland can shoot game on another's farmer land unlike in the UK

the game belongs to the region as opposed to the farmer those crops they are helping themselves to

hunting towers cost money to build so once the hunters learn that you are scaring all the game away they will hopefully move the tower to another place

it is waste of resources to have a tower where they are not going to be able to shoot anything from

if you are planning on leaving Poland anyway why get so worked up about it?
Chicago Pollock 7 | 505
6 Jul 2011  #28
I'm curious. Here in New Jersey it's illegal(I know, I know it's done anyway) to hunt at night especially with lights, that blind the deer. Does the same hold true in Poland?

Hunting at night? Not likely, too dangerous.
FlaglessPole 4 | 669
6 Jul 2011  #29
it is waste of resources to have a tower where they are not going to be able to shoot anything from

ha ha this should be a road sign :)
z_darius 14 | 3,971
6 Jul 2011  #30
are you a vegetarian?
if not this smacks of double standards
you are happy to eat meat as long as someone has done your dirty work for you

You asked a question.
You assumed what the answer would be and then you gave him shhit for your own answer to your own question. How many of you live in your brain?

Even if he is not a vegetarian, he clearly stated he would not shoot anywild animal. Your attitude is like stating that someone who is not into blond women is double faced when he screws a brunette.


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