Neighbourhoods in Warsaw - how safe?

Wow! You let in millions upon millions of third worlders and then your country looks like the third world. Go figure!

Britain is litrered but that is something else, it's the strike of bin people that lasts ages now.

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Disgusting dog ****, alcohol containers and stupid scrawl everywhere. Normal scenes from Poland's capital. Look at all that ugly, dumb bullsh*t all over the walls.

I'll go and pull up some Google Streetview shots of Marszalkowska if you need more evidence. I don't know how people have the balls to tell these lies about Poland being "so much cleaner than the fallen west" when that pigsty of a main central capital city avenue exists looking the way it does.

If "third worlders" make a country look like crap, what's vastly less diverse Warsaw's excuse? I don't think it's Asian/African immigrants spraypainting dicks and "LEGIA" everywhere, or leaving cigarette butts and vodka bottles all over the place.

Seems like "LEGIA" is genuinely the only word a lot of Varsovians know how to spell, by the way. The ones that can't even manage that just do the logo.

Dude, that's not "normal" scenes even from my poor city of Kielce (I mean the trash) o_O'
In what part of Warsaw there's so much trash??


Ukrainians perhaps? Or it's some patologia type of neighbourhood.

There was a period of time when my neighbourhood started to get littered. I didn't know what's going on. There was trash around. Not that much, but still... Public dustbins were overflowing. Not as much as in your photos, but still... Some people were even throwing some trash and empty bottles out of the windows - something that I've never witnessed in my entire life. But after a while it stopped and everything went back to normal. This happened some time before 2022, btw, so those weren't refugees.

Now I'm thinking that maybe those were Ukrainians who came here to work and they brought their "Eastern standards" of behaviour. Maybe they left or maybe they adapted to our city's norms. It was apparently not an uncommon sight in Kyiv, for example - trash pilling under block of flats, because people were throwing stuff out of the windows.

That's just my theory though.

Or maybe those were simply some partying college students renting the flats. Whether Polish or not - no idea. I remember that we had Spanish students at some point in our block of flats.

I don't want to blame such stuff on "foreigners", btw, I'm just saying that it was unusual and I am trying to think of an explanation for this phenomenon. 🤔

Nice, Paulina.

All your years of bleeding heart liberalism, flushed down the toilet.

Of course - Ukrainians, "or other marginals" have contributed to the trash.


The last time that happened in Kiev was in the 19th century.

Kiev is a bigger and more developed city than Warsaw, you b*tch.

Where does this racism come from?

;D Well, what can I say, I'm a typical blunt Pole - I speak my mind openly, you get what you see, sorry xD


Well, that's the only nationality that had such a big and sudden influx into Poland :)


Or, as I wrote, those photos are from some "patologia" neighbourhood. There are bad neighbourhoods in Poland too, like those where there's social housing, for example.


My pretty random theory is based on a video on YouTube made by a Ukrainian woman who lives in Poland and who went back to visit Kyiv and was showing all kinds of sides of reality in that city - from nice stuff to the less nice stuff. Before watching that video I thought that this brief situation in my neighbourhood was a result of Polish people dropping their standards or new people moving in. Earlier it didn't cross my mind it could be Ukrainians. She was talking about and showing the trash people were throwing out of the windows. I can assure you it wasn't in the 19th century... She was complaining about the situation and comparing it to Poland.

But it's nice that it triggered you - defending Ukrainians like that, how sweet of you :D

It's funny how you were able to look at Mafketis' carefully curated set of tweets (including one by the far right's very own Tommy Robinson, who of course has NO agenda) and immediately take it as proof of Britain/Birmingham being filthy (unlike the angelic Poles' spotless cities) but when I show you some Warsaw reality, you immediately think it must be due to Ukrainians. Tell me, are these Ukrainians also superfans of Legia Warszawa football club?


If I told you the apartment prices in that neighbourhood...

Now, don't put words into my mouth. I didn't claim the entire city looks like that. I'm guessing it's probably some poor neighbourhood.

And I've been to Warsaw more than once and the whole Warsaw doesn't look like in your photos either.


Or... as I wrote... that's it's some bad neighbourhood.


Can you name that neighbourhood then? Name it and shame it! :)

I've never said anything remotely like that. Where I live the litter situation has markedly improved in recent years.

There's two possibilities:

you like Warsaw and would like it to be better (what are you doing to make that happen)?

you don't like Warsaw, never will (why do you stay there?)

Britain has the beginnings of tent cities now?

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The city centre and old town don't because that's where the police hang around making sure it stays nice for tourists. But go to pretty much any average residential neighbourhood and there's Legia scrawl all over the walls, booze bottles and dog sh*t...


It's in Mokotow. A short walk from the fancy Lazienki Krolewskie park. Not even somewhere like Targowek with a reputation for being 'rough'. Like I said, the property prices there are WAY above what you'll see in Kielce...

I'm not talking about graffiti, because that's a problem in Poland in general. What shocked me is the amount of trash in your photos. My neighbourhood vs those photos from Mokotów look like Japan vs India and where I live is a standard neighbourhood, nothing fancy even. And I've never seen so much trash as in your photos in any neighbourhood that I've been to in my city in my entire life - so, yeah, I'm shocked to be honest...


The whole Mokotów looks like that??


Every neighbourhood in Warsaw looks like in your photos (I mean the trash)???


I suspect the property prices in any neighbourhood in Warsaw are higher than in Kielce xD, so that alone doesn't necessarily prove anything.


Well, I wasn't only in touristy places in Warsaw... I visited friends in their flats too. One lived in a "better", gated neighbourhood, so maybe it wasn't very representative for the whole of the city, but two other of neighbourhoods that I've been to were pretty standard, I think, and they looked normal, clean.

And all kinds of not so favourable stuff could be said about a number of Poles who moved to the UK and other countries, I imagine. For example, I've read some stories from Poles themselves about what kind of "syf" Poles (mainly men) were living in when they were doing seasonal work abroad. Plus drinking, taking drugs and all kinds of "menelstwo." It's not always crème de la crème that is moving to other countries to earn money.

There is more variation in the amount of food and drink litter than the amount of **** and graffiti. High levels of those latter two are pretty much a given in most of Warsaw.

This neighbourhood is the worst I've ever seen, in any country, for **** and graffiti. I don't really mind food and drink wrapping as much as those, although I must admit that the amount of broken glass from alcohol bottles is far higher in Poland than I've seen in other countries - probably due to the amount of vodka (in glass bottles) Poles consume. Broken glass is dangerous, food wrappers not so much.

I have to say that I am continually puzzled by how Poles seem to find litter so shocking but are completely desensitised to animal dung, which I regard as the most disgusting sight, and graffiti - particularly stupid football hooligan bullsh*t like Warsaw is plagued by. Litter may be unsightly but when there's so much animal feces in public places it's unsanitary and completely abhorrent. People who don't clean up after their dogs are just scum, full stop.

Well, I'm not xD But I guess you can look at it in that way - if it's on the grass then it will decompose much faster than human-made trash. It's natural - normally animals sh1t where they want xD When we were visiting my grandparents in the countryside I sometimes had to navigate around chicken poop in the yard, because my grandma would let the chickens loose and they were walking where they wanted to. And of course cow dung in the meadow, but that's usually hard to miss. 💩😂🤢 My grandparents also used cow and horse dung as natural fertilizer in the field, btw.


Yeah, I hate it too. 🤢 I have to say though that the situation with dog poop improved a lot where I live...
There is some grafitti here and there, but nothing that bad. No litter, bottles or broken glass.

I think you may have basically hit the nail on the head as to why Poles are more accepting with animal **** in their cities than Brits (for instance) are. Poland is less urbanised and has urbanised more slowly than countries like the UK, so Poles still have the rural sense that it's fine to see animal **** everywhere, whereas we are much more shocked by it. But in a village, there's less fast food / junk food, so the sight of food wrapped is more shocking, whereas in a city like London or New York, where there are fast food places everywhere, it's taken as much more normal to see such litter.

Btw dog **** isn't good fertiliser due to it being from a carnivore. It's actually very bad for plants due to being too acidic. That's why when people in Warsaw let their dogs **** all over the park, the grass dies and the park starts to look crappy. It's probably even worse to leave it on the grass, because on the street at least someone will (in theory) eventually clean it up. On the grass it's just turning that park into a barren, toxic dog toilet.

Not to mention that it's a major disease vector.

Some rain, some snow, and your groundwater is ridden with E. coli and salmonella.

Yeah, I was wondering about that after I wrote my comment... Interesting 🤔


Wow, seriously? I had no idea!


We would call them "miny", because the way they looked resembled land mines xDDD They're also called "krowi placek" lol

As kids and teenagers we would also accompany my grandma when she was bringing back cows from the meadow outside of the village. We would usually walk behind the cows and sometimes they would poop on the way in the street - now that was a sight to behold, especially if it was... you know... more liquid xDDDD 😵 Or dried up cow sh1t smeared in the street by a car passing by... xD And btw horse poop looks different than cow poop... So, yeah, I've seen sh1t in all kinds of forms and sizes in my life xD

I wouldn't put it that way. FWIW where I live people were pretty good about cleaning up afterwards for a few years though recently I've notice some slacking (maybe due to winter and difficulty of retrieving things from snow and ice).

Ha, very good.
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Oh shut up, you are Russian after all, what with that American nonsense?
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You are full of sh't. It is not factual, some countries consume more than Poland nd that includes your Britain.
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Racism is not American nonsense.

They turned it into a circus, and something to be laughed at - but racism is not nonsense.

In our part of the world we know racism. In South Africa they know racism. In India and in China they know racism.

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Paulina has never been in Kiev. Knows zero of Ukrainian history. Cannot understand that for centuries Kiev was a more important city than Warsaw.

Comes here, and says Ukrainians are making Poland dirty.

How else can I react?

Yeah, Russians know all about that, don't they?

Yeah Brits now find dog $h1t in the street, pavement or park abhorrent, but 50 years ago it was normal.....

Racism? We are not discussing racism here; after all, Ukrainians are white people. So where does racism come from? Unless you consider American nonsense a new theory, that anything and everything that doesn't involve embracing strangers and foreigners unconditionally is racism.

So you're telling me that British people drink more vodka than Poles? Next you'll be telling me they eat more parowki and listen to more discopolo xD


In my personal experience with Ukrainians in Warsaw, they are most certainly not making Warsaw dirty or really causing problems at all. Like I said, they aren't the ones spraypainting infantile crap all over the city and making it look like a child's colouring book. I would also be very surprised if they are littering disproportionately, leaving dog crap everywhere or street-drinking - Poles do that with impunity because they know that if by some miracle the policja DO decided to care about anywhere beyond the Old Town and city centre, and catch them boozing it up on the street in the residential areas' parks, they most they'll get is a fine. When you're in Poland via a visa or other kind of shaky residency - aka "on sufferance" - you cannot afford to do anything that will make your legal standing here less than perfect. Especially when "being sent home" (or denied further residency) = being sent back to the draft.

Ok. Fair point.


Again - OK.

But what Paulina immediately reached for - Ukrainians - when she couldn't explain why a certain part of Warsaw is dirty - is racism.

An unfounded feeling of superiority over a different population. A groundless assumption - that the "others" are at fault.

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Me and you know Paulina doesn't travel much.

Sometimes she says strange things about America or Britain.

I don't touch her when she does that.

Here - without being there (as she says, she has been in Warsaw once) - she immediately guesses the answer.

Here - I feel do not owe Paulina so much of the benefit of the doubt.

She is showing herself as some village lady, with xenophobic views.

That statistic for you. A few years ago, I saw statistics on the issue that dispelled many myths, including those told by Poles about how much they can drink, when in reality, they are the European average.
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50 years is half a century, Milo. That's a very long time ago. But btw you're telling me Poles are 50 years behind the west when it comes to tolerance for urban environments carpeted with animal feces? Doesn't sound so great when you put it like that.

I don't want to be too judgemental and condemning. I just want to point out that 'cleanliness' in cities is an entirely relative idea given that one party is slightly more blase about fast food wrappers on the street and the other has a similar attitude to dog *****t and football hooligan graffiti. What appals the Pole won't faze the Brit and vice versa.

Please show me the 'statistic' that says British people drink more vodka than Poles.

I don't have them anymore. Also, those are not statistics on Brits and Poles but statistics that covered all the EU before Brexit. After all, in the meantime, the influx of muslim boat people who do not drink alcohol could also lower those stats.

*sigh*
That's not what I wrote. I wrote "perhaps" and it was just a guess, based on all the comparisons people from post-Soviet countries are making about Poland and their countries.


Yes, I haven't, but that Ukrainian woman was, obviously! lol


That assumption (or rather a guess) was only based on what Ukrainians were saying in terms of differences between Poland and Ukraine. I myself haven't noticed Ukrainians littering, etc. so it was just a loose guess. And I realise I could be completely wrong with that guess.

And, btw, I knew how what I wrote could be interpreted, but since I usually defend Ukrainians on this forum I didn't think I'll get accused of "racism" xD


Maybe pay more attention to what I write... I wrote "more than once". I've been to Warsaw multiple times. 🙄

Aha, so it's from a study by the institute of Trust Me, Stary, I'm Not Pulling This Out Of My Arse At All, Honest. Very credible, thank you.



Aha, so it's from a study by the institute of Trust Me, Stary, I'm Not Pulling This Out Of My Arse At All, Honest. Very credible, thank you.


After 2004 we had an big influx of vodka-partial street drinkers who enjoy football-related 'street art' and have a very lassaise-faire attitude to dog-related hygiene - do you think that might have impacted on how UK cities are viewed from a 'cleanliness' perspective? May it have perhaps skewed the 'stats'?

After 2004 we had an big influx of vodka-partial street drinkers who enjoy football-related 'street art' and have a very lassaise-faire attitude to dog-related hygiene - do you think that might have impacted on how UK cities are viewed from a cleanliness perspective? Just throwing it out there.