German attitudes towards Poles is ambivalent and still, varied, different in East Germans and different in West Germans. West Germans consider themselves better than Poland, and Poles, however, are more likely to have a positive attitude. East Germans do not really feel superior to Poles (our BB example) but they rather do not like them.
According to recent reports, 20 million foreigners live in Germany. They are either born abroad or have two parents born abroad. That's one in four Germans. To make matters better, among young people it is every third person in Germany. BB, calm down, this is not a reason to vote for AfD. Wir schaffen das.😉
According to recent reports, 20 million foreigners live in Germany.
Does this increase in multiculturalism mean Germany will finally do something a bit more interesting musically? We've seen what a diverse population has done for the US, UK and Brazil's output, to name but a few - jazz, blues, bossa nova, punk, and rock and roll are a direct result of these countries substantial non-white populations. Will the Germans finally have something worth listening to beyond techno?
On the same point, would a little more diversity help Poland become more than mostly a disco polo wasteland? Or will the airwaves still be ruled by numerous Dareks and Sebas and their garish shirts and industrial quantities of hair gel?
Come on Alien, be better than that. What does origin matter? Is Milo less British than me? No. Is Paulina more Polish than a Pole with with foreign parents?
Will the Germans finally have something worth listening to
Because Beethoven, Bach, Brahms, R Strauss, Wagner are chicken liver....
There is good German pop music but it's probably not to the taste of Brits or Americans....
I used to have some German music channels but that ended a long time ago and I have no idea what's going on in the country now, but here are some oldies I liked back then....
Detroit (black American-rooted) techno is very good. German techno is so-so. But then in their clubs they mainly use it as background music for sex parties, or so those in Berlin tell me. Nothing wrong with that per se, but it's a peculiar country where 90% of the population is fascistic about not making any noise on a Sunday or even depositing recycling and the few free spirits use their capital as an outlet for not being robots for a change. A very bizarre country with some of the most dramatic contrasts you'll ever see. Along with the Poles, one of the most deeply repressed nations in Europe.
For more conservative Germans, though, there are some other good options, eg. Tala' al-Badru 'Alayna or..
We've all heard the music of choice of conservative Poles - disco polo - so I think that's an improvement. Unless you're a huge fan of what the Venga Boys would sound like with added accordions.
Because Beethoven, Bach, Brahms, R Strauss, Wagner are chicken liver....
Yeah, coz you can really dance to that, right? Nobody's denying Germans (and Poles) are great when it comes to stuffy, stick-up-your-ass classical music. But when it comes to anything a bit more hot-blooded, they're either at a loss or very, very corny. Classic Central Europe. Very, very stuffy.
Come on Alien, be better than that. What does origin matter? Is Milo less British than..
You know what the answer is with Poles, and what it always is. Unless you're red and white for infinite generations, and preferably Catholic too, you don't meet their definition. They're fixated on ethnicity and 'pure blood'. Very weird. You have to remember, Jon, that you come from the west, where we have a bit more of a subtle and inclusive take on that. Remember that Germans still call second or third generation immigrants 'new Germans' rather than simply Germans. For Poles, those aren't even 'new Poles' - they will just never be Poles.
They're fixated on ethnicity and 'pure blood'. Very weird.
Weird indeed and Poland is one of the few European countries where people don't do DNA tests because they fear what they'll find. People in those parts of North Africa where the male bloodline is everything can a bit the same.
We forget that in the 1920s many people in PL didn't consider themselves Polish though their descendants do today.
Dancing - earthly and about baser worldly things. Dont' get me wrong, I like dance music as much as anyone, but very little of it has anything to say about the human condition and has no greatger insight to offer.
German classic music is about higher feelings and touching the sublime... no dance music has ever achieved the permanence or insight of some German "stick-up-your-ass classical music"
"Jestem zyd?!
Your hostility toward everything Polish might be easier to take if you could get the grammar of simple sentences right....
"Jestem Żydem?"
or
"Ja.... Żyd?"
in the 1920s many people in PL didn't consider themselves Polish though their descendants do today
Isn't that good? Cultural and linguistic identity over narrow dna-related ethnic identity?
no dance music has ever achieved the permanence or insight of some German "stick-up-your-ass classical music"
I'll take a good piece of jazz, soul or plain old rock and roll over any of that dusty old drawing room music. Something a little less prissy and a bit more alive. To me, it says a lot more about the human condition than what some repressed little German or Pole in a suit could ever have dreamed of.
Your hostility toward everything Polish might be easier to take if you could get the grammar..
If only I actually cared enough to. Ironsides has been living in an Anglophone country for decades and still writes like Borat, btw.
I'll take a good piece of jazz, soul or plain old rock and roll over any..
You're shallow.....I can enjoy some jazz, love soul beyond all measure and can bore people with all kinds of obscure artists most have never hear of (kind of meh about most rock and roll). but I also recognize the greatness of classical music,I guess not everyone can.
The world needs shallow normies too, so... congrats!
Years ago I read that rather than the usual suspects (Italian tunefests like Butterfly or Boheme) the ideal starter opera for teenagers and young adults is Salome. It's short by opera standards has sex, violence and it's LOUD..
We don't need diversity thank you. We had it for the most of our history but it was the price of the empire. now empire is gone, land is gone, F diversity.
Definitely the funniest thing you've ever written but not sure if serious. Certainly the first and hopefully last time I've ever see the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth described as an empire by someone with a straight face. I knew you panstwo were big on the self-aggrandisement but this is another level.
So I guess if Poland had an 'empire', a beef and cabbage tortilla wrap is a 'kebab' and discopolo is 'music'. Wow, it all makes so much sense if you just use Polish logic.
Cultural and linguistic identity over narrow dna-related ethnic identity?
It's when the first two are sublimated and/or forgotten that we lose something.
What's the alternative?
In PL? None really.
It's good when people know the journey of their forebears. It helps people be empathetic if they realise that what they have today wasn't granted to them out of the non-existent good nature of exploiters but was hard-won.
Being ignorant is not a crime but being ingnorant and brazenly shameless about it marks you as a retard.. -----
use Polish logic.
If you are a racist dirt bag that fine but if you goes against Poland it means you are spawn of the /Satan because Poland is the force for good in this world. nobody can deny it. As for the phrase 'empire' your sorry ass has so many issue with - Sarah Crosby Mallory Paine uses it. Do you accuse her of using Polish logic, Polish anything? I think it is your brain that is polished, but you are still a retard.
Diversity has ruined the UK and France, two of the countries with the nicest historic residential architecture (Dordogne & Périgord styles, stone cottages in the UK...). I fear even Cornwall, Devon, Brittany and Normandy might not be very safe to visit.
On a side note I wonder if the Polish or Lithuanian Baltic coast would be a better choice for a coolcation? A coolcation is a summer vacation in a colder climate done by a person living in a warmer climate for avoiding the heatwave during the summer months.
Gdansk looks good but a bit too populated and big for a relaxing stay, while Sopot is very nice but too small. Are there coastal or near-coastal cities in Poland around 100k people? Or would you go to Klaipeda in my case? I haven't been to Poland or Lithuania but I've been to the Czech Republic and lived in Slovakia. I like how Polish sounds and Polish girls are amazing but I have no idea what Lithuanian sounds like nor what they look like. :D
