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Poles in Kazakhstan ignored by the "Polish" state.


Ironside 48 | 9,748
29 Dec 2013  #1
Poles in Kazakhstan are those who survived deportation from region: Zhitomir, Kamieniec Podolski, Dołbysza. It was Soviet operation called "Polish operation" carried out in the years 1937-1938.

In the period from August 1937 to September 1938 Soviets killed 111 thousand Poles and 64 thousand received sentences of more than 10 years the camp their wives were sent automatically to a minimum of 5-8 years in the gulag.

In the Soviet Union was deportation often called resettlement were an administrative penalty. Still people with small children and elderly have been dropped in the middle of the steppe, and most of them (especially children) perished.

Some Poles displaced in 1936 to Kazakhstan, survived persecution. It is difficult to estimate the current size of the group. In 2009 in Kazakhstan about 34,000 people declared Polish nationality while people with roots is a much larger group, estimated for about 100 thousand.

After many years of waiting for help from Poland many Poles accepted the Russian proposal.
The authorities of the Russian Federation provide transportation and facilitate the arrival in selected regions of Russia for them. They are being given health benefits, the right to education, and pensions for the elderly, despite their Polish nationality. They are being granted Russian citizenship after two or three months.

Also Germany accept exiled Poles as part of the so-called return of uprooted and family reunification. After 1941 in Polish villages in Kazakhstan Soviet Union settled Germans from a Volga region in Russia. Having lived for almost three generations in the same settlements Germans and Poles have developed strong family ties. At the moment, there is about 20 thousand Poles from Kazakhstan living in Russia and several thousand in Germany

So called Polish State ruled by Polish Soviets takes in about eight to 20 families a year mostly those who are lucky or who can afford that with a negligible assistance of the state.
Zibi - | 336
29 Dec 2013  #2
So called Polish State ruled by Polish Soviets

Are you insane?
OP Ironside 48 | 9,748
29 Dec 2013  #3
Since when stating facts is a sign of insanity? Please post on topic.
INSPE - | 29
29 Dec 2013  #4
So called Polish State ruled by Polish Soviets

IAre you insane?

Since when stating facts is a sign of insanity?

So called Polish State ruled by pro -Soviet Polish - sounds and reflects facts much better

So called Polish State ruled by Polish Soviets takes in about eight to 20

So called Polish State ruled by Polish Soviets ?took ? in about eight to 20 families a year (???)
Kevin123 - | 7
29 Dec 2013  #5
Genuine Poles living in Kazakhstan have the right to the Karta Polaka, which grants them visa-free travel to Poland and gives them quite a few rights, including the right to work without a work permit.
R.U.R.
29 Dec 2013  #6
We are loosing people, I'm afraid

Polish population in the West and in the East is shrinking as the result of assimilation
OP Ironside 48 | 9,748
29 Dec 2013  #7
So called Polish State ruled by pro -Soviet Polish - sounds and reflects facts much better

No, there are Polish Soviets, Soviet is not nationality or ethnicity by the way.

So called Polish State ruled by Polish Soviets ?took ? in about eight to 20 families a year (???)

Take in - is granting admittance to about eight to twenty families a year. Come on!?

Genuine Poles living

BS, one need to speak Polish to be able to get Karta Polaka, who are genuine Poles?
INSPE - | 29
29 Dec 2013  #8
The meaning of your sophistry is probably an attempt to say that the current Polish government is unconsciously acting in favour of Russia
OP Ironside 48 | 9,748
29 Dec 2013  #9
Gee, Soviet Poles are Soviet Poles, If you want to know more make a thread "What and Who are Soviet Poles>?" This thread is about Poles in Kazakhstan.
Zibi - | 336
30 Dec 2013  #10
Polish population in the West and in the East is shrinking as the result of assimilation

Which is natural, even if we do not like it
INSPE - | 29
30 Dec 2013  #11
After 1941 in Polish villages in Kazakhstan Soviet Union settled Germans from a Volga region in Russia.

And the first thing that the Germans probably did after the arrival was the renaming of the villages
and a victorious report was sent to Berlin....
Crow 137 | 7,632
26 Aug 2016  #12
Merged: Poland and Kazakhstan intensify economic cooperation

an article by Warsaw Voice (BDW, my favorite online source; then, B92, Slovak Spectator, Prague Daily Monitor and RT)

Poland and Kazakhstan intensify economic cooperation

The Warsaw Voice, August 23, 2016
warsawvoice.pl/WVpage/pages/article.php/36408/news

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"I would like our relations as well as our joint declaration on economic cooperation to translate into real-term development of business contacts", Duda said.

This Duda is blessing for Poland. He opening Poland to worldwide business. Give chance to cooperate with Poland on equal bases and in fair business.
nothanks - | 640
26 Aug 2016  #13
Coincidence? Polish NT start 2018 World Cup qualifying campaign next Saturday @ Kazakhstan [Astana]
pawian 161 | 9,838
13 Sep 2019  #14
So called Polish State ruled by Polish Soviets takes in about eight to 20 families a year mostly those who are lucky

Those Polish Soviets from 2013 when you wrote it were in PO/PSL government.

Did the things change when PiS came to power in 2015?

Don`t answer, I will do it for you: No.

Are PiS guys Soviets according to your logic? It seems they are. :):)
OP Ironside 48 | 9,748
14 Sep 2019  #15
Well, in same ways they are and in same they aren't.
They're less Soviet then an alternative.
There two points:
they are better than PO alternative by far and there is nothing better that would generate support of majority of the voters - sadly.
Miloslaw 6 | 2,130
14 Sep 2019  #16
What has any of this got to do with the original post?
pawian 161 | 9,838
15 Sep 2019  #17
Milo
Very much, you probably didn`t read the post to the end. OP suggested that the previous government ignored Kazachstan Poles.

So called Polish State ruled by Polish Soviets takes in about eight to 20 families

Today PiS is doing the same.

They're less Soviet then an alternative.

No, bigger coz it is PiS which introduced the so called "good change" in order to make Poles "rise from their knees. " But that seemingly doesn`t apply to Kazachstan Poles coz they have no voting power.
VMan
15 Sep 2019  #18
In the period from August 1937 to September 1938 Soviets killed 111 thousand Poles a

According to official NKVD records, they killed between 135,000 and 140,000 Poles. Others who have researched the population records put the number over 200,000. There were an estimated 1 million ethnic Poles living in the USSR in 1921. Some places remained very Polish. Vinnitsa was a Polish speaking city. According to the Riga Treaty, ethnic Poles in the Soviet Union had the right to claim Polish citizenship. Few did for whatever reason. The result was Stalin's campaign against the Poles, which was the model for Hitler's plan to remove the Jews from the Third Reich.

Considering that PiS is following Tusk's policy of discriminating against families loyal to the Second Republic, it is not surprising that the descendants of those who were not citizens before WWII are also disfavoured by the present government. In comparison to the German repatriation of ethnic Germans exiled to the East, Poland's response has been quite shameful.


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