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Polonius3 1,019 | 12,575    
14 Jan 2016  #1

EU officials have been swamped with thousands of protest letters and emails against Brussels' interference in Poland's internal affairs. Polish Americans, ever vigilant to anti-Polish activities such as those pursued by KOD, have staged demonstrations which are backed by Polish American Congress, Polonia's umbrella organisation. The activities of the Polish opposition which have undermined Poland's international authority and reputation have been universally condemned as treasonous and compared to 18th-century Targowica which led to Poland's partitions.

Never since 1989 have prominent German politicians launched such a brutal attack against Poland. But the current German hue and cry against Poland is no coinicdence. Behind all the high-sounding democracy rhetoric, its actual goal is to maitnain the economic status quo, ie the privileged status of German business interests in Poland. Anything aimed at strengthening the Polish business community is viewed by the Gerries as a threat to their eocnomic hegemony.

poloniatube.com/2016/01/05/petycja-przeciw-nadzorowaniu-polski-przez-ue/


InPolska 11 | 1,824    
14 Jan 2016  #2

Polonia is NOT outraged when UE pours hundreds of billions of euros into Poland ;). Am I wrong? If Poland wants money from UE, Poland has to comply with UE's rules. UE is neither a restaurant nor a supermarket where client chooses.

EU, love it or leave it!
G (undercover)    
14 Jan 2016  #3

Poland, love it or leave it!

Sometimes I think you forgot were the exit is.
OP Polonius3 1,019 | 12,575    
14 Jan 2016  #4

hundreds of billions of euros into Poland

That argument is repeated ad nauseam, but the fact is that foreign coproaitons have extracted from Poland far more cash in not always fairly achieved profits.
Levi 13 | 451    
14 Jan 2016  #5

EU officials have been swamped with thousands of protest letters and emails against Brussels' interference in Poland's

What EU is doing is plainly disrespectful against Polish Sovereignity.

They are trying to destabilize the polish DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED government.

Merkel is just trying to do with Poland the same cr@p she done with her own country.

EU, love it or leave it!

So... The same should apply to you, right? Since you hate Poland so much, miss France so much, but still lives in... Poland!
InPolska 11 | 1,824    
14 Jan 2016  #6

@G + Levy : 1. Poland being subsidized by western European taxpayers (whom you hate inspite of living off their money) HAS to comply with UE rules. 2. forum is not about my life, which you do know nothing about but only imagine it. 3. I am NOT subsidized by Poland/Polish entities and to conclude 4. I have "no lesson" to receive from anyone making business with Saudi terrorists. Case closed just after saying:

Levy: "Saudi Arabia and Muslims, love them or leave them" ;).
Ziemowit 8 | 2,636    
14 Jan 2016  #7

Polonia is NOT outraged when UE pours hundreds of billions of euros into Poland ;). Am I wrong?

You have forgetten to calculate the overall balance of the capital in-flows and out-flows between the EU and Poland. I could give you a nice example of Orange sucking out the money of the Polish taxpayer.

UE is neither a restaurant nor a supermarket where client chooses.

Tell that to the Muslim refugees or immigrants harassing women on the New Year's night in the vicinity of the Cologne cathedral and in some other places in Germany, Austria or Switzerland.
InPolska 11 | 1,824    
14 Jan 2016  #8

@Ziemo: Don't confuse those huge corporations and "normal" populations! I don't need to be told that they come to countries like Poland for cheaper labor. Even if they pay their Polish (since we are in POLISH forum) staff very well as per local standards (I can eat (very well) thanks to such companies since working with them and I know that they offer their Polish employees better salaries and conditions than what can be expected with Polish companies and all the Poles I know working for western companies are happy with their conditions and salaries), Polish employees cost sometimes up to several times less. They of course prefer to spend 3 or 5,000 ZL on a employee rather than 3 or 5,000 euros, pounds, dollars or whatever other western currency. I am not sure that they exploit Poland (for instance) as a country because Poland has benefitted alot from them. Without those huge companies, there would be no economy per se in Poland.

Those western companies hurt their home countries more since hundreds of thousands of jobs have been lost in the west because said companies "prefer" to move eastwards for cheaper labor.

Poland needs them....
Harry 81 | 13,431    
14 Jan 2016  #9

Polish Americans, ever vigilant to anti-Polish activities such as those pursued by KOD, have staged demonstrations which are backed by Polish American Congress, Polonia's umbrella organisation.

Well, this certainly wouldn't be the first time that Polonia have been drastically out of step with Poles. Not that they can be blamed for their astounding ignorance in this case, given the way that certain Polonia press have been reporting the events. A particularly hilarious example of hackery aimed at misleading (and flat out lying to) Polonia can be found here: ampoleagle.com/analysis-polishpolish-cold-war-continues-constitutional-crisis-or-conve-p9610-96.htm

I particularly like the claim that "the real reason behind the attacks is PiS's war on corruption, crackdown on former secret-police informers", which is made even more laughable when one speaks to the former colleagues of the 'journalist' who wrote the piece and learns that about exactly who was a secret-police informer during the commie times and how his career has been one long downward spiral since the opportunities to collaborate with that regime stopped.
Levi 13 | 451    
14 Jan 2016  #10

Not that they can be blamed for their astounding ignorance in this case,

Yes, Poles are stupid for being nationalistic.

Smart are the Germans, Brits and Frenchies that get happy watching "refugees" rape local woman.
delphiandomine 87 | 15,756    
14 Jan 2016  #11

Polish Americans, ever vigilant to anti-Polish activities such as those pursued by KOD, have staged demonstrations which are backed by Polish American Congress, Polonia's umbrella organisation.

What's interesting is that you've actually managed to completely distort reality.

What actually happened was that the PiS-controlled niezależna.pl got people to send badly written template letters to EU officials which were so hilariously biased and amateurish that most EU officials simply got very annoyed with it.

As for the "Polish American Congress", it's well known to be associated with PiS. It's not something that can be taken seriously.

The activities of the Polish opposition which have undermined Poland's international authority and reputation have been universally condemned as treasonous and compared to 18th-century Targowica which led to Poland's partitions.

Did you write this for some Polonia rag?

The only people making comparisons to Targowica are PiS and their supporters, who seem to be turning a deliberate blind eye to the fact that Poland is pushing away from the EU and towards Russia. It's an old PiS tactic - accuse your enemies of doing exactly what you're doing yourself.

the 'journalist' who wrote the piece and learns that about exactly who was a secret-police informer during the commie times

Yet the journalist seems to ignore that not only his own past, but also the past of people such as the new boss of PKN Orlen.
OP Polonius3 1,019 | 12,575    
14 Jan 2016  #12

western companies hurt their home countries

Corporate bloodsuckers don't care whom they hurt, their own countrymen, their own country, some other county or whomever, as long as they can get filthy rich and rake in the €€€€€€, $$$$$$, £££££££....
Wroclaw1010 2 | 90    
14 Jan 2016  #13

Tell that to the Muslim refugees or immigrants harassing women on the New Year's night in the vicinity of the Cologne

It's very unfair(like always) to tag the behaviour of those lunatics to Muslims. I think most people on here seem to EQUATE an Arabian to a Muslim. The behaviour of an Arabian is not a justification of Islam. There's an Arabian and there's a Muslim. The race and the religion DO NOT go hand in hand.

You have forgetten to calculate the overall balance of the capital in-flows and out-flows between the EU and Poland.

Of all indications, the capital inflows into Poland far outweighs the outflows since the day one of Poland's inclusion into the EU. If you've any information that shows there is a balance, then I'd be glad to read it.
Harry 81 | 13,431    
14 Jan 2016  #14

Corporate bloodsuckers don't care whom they hurt, their own countrymen, their own country, some other county or whomever, as long as they can get filthy rich

Let's not forget the expats who come here and buy property worth millions for a song thanks to the connections they made while collaborating with the secret police back in commie times.
polishinvestor 1 | 319    
14 Jan 2016  #15

Its the local commies that got the properties for zip or close to. They got to sell them for zero tax as that was the law for props pre 2007.
Crow 137 | 5,906    
14 Jan 2016  #16

EU officials have been swamped with thousands of protest letters and emails against Brussels' interference in Poland's internal affairs.

See. This is of extraordinary importance in a moment when Poland strengthen its own independence within EU. Now, considering that there are clear indications that are Poles threatened by assimilation from Anglo-Franco-Germanic-Islamic factors (ie EU), no matter in Poland or in diaspora, we see that major representatives of Polish worldwide intelligentsia stays united against such a development.

EU, love it or leave it!

Poland, love it or leave it!

Svi koji rade protiv poljske nek se nose (All who works against Poland should go away/f*** off)

Polonia is NOT outraged when UE pours hundreds of billions of euros into Poland

Let them give back to Slavic world and to Poland, Arkona and all other our lands. Even then, they can`t rise rom the death all our people that they killed and mutilated in their greed and bestiality
Ironside 46 | 8,406    
14 Jan 2016  #17

Polonia

I see you are ignorant as to the way the world and economic as well as EU are really working. You are living in your fantasy world. Please spare us your and display your stupidity somewhere else.

UE pours hundreds of billions of euros into Poland ;).

That a merely a pittance. Need I remind you that EU is not a country and European commission is not European government.
Cause you are a clues simpleton I will just show you a few numbers that are easy to understand.

Poland received about 60 billions euros for the last 10 years, divided by ten that sum give us about ten billion a year. Whereas only legal (there are also billions of illegally transferred money) transferred money from Poland in the last year equals 20 billion euros.

Summary for you - for each 10 billion euros from the EU there is transfer of about 20 billions of euros extracted from Poland(could be more could be less depends on a year).

To stress that 10 billion euros are pittance you could notice that there was a year that registered transfer of money from Poles working abroad in a sum of four billion euros.

To stress it even further last year Germany alone spent on the foreign aid to countries like Asia or Africa about 14 billion dollars.
In fact Poland being a part of the EU is a bad business for Poland and a good business for western companies.
About 85% of all big firms in Poland have a foreign owner. We all know what it means.

As for western taxpayers - there is no a special levy for funding Poland, taxpayers would have to pay those taxes regardless. Hell if not for the new colonies next door they probably would have to pay even more.
OP Polonius3 1,019 | 12,575    
14 Jan 2016  #18

from Poland in the last year equals 20 billion euros.

Would you have a source or link for those figures which are very englightening. GUS for instance?
TheOther 5 | 3,017    
14 Jan 2016  #19

In fact Poland being a part of the EU is a bad business for Poland and a good business for western companies.

How many Polish corporations are there which could provide the number of jobs that foreign companies do in Poland? Would Polish companies be able to accomodate all those Polish migrants that now have the right to live and work anywhere in the EU due to the Polish membership? What would Poland do without the cash that these people are sending home? Where would Poland stand without the billions already received from the EU (and the additional 77.6 billion for 2014 - 2020)? The EU was bad business for Poland? Nah, don't think so.
OP Polonius3 1,019 | 12,575    
14 Jan 2016  #20

bad business for Poland

But it was even better business for the global exploiters who have extracted several times that amount from Poland.
Every Polish govt since 1989 that did not promote the creation of Polish capital and a Polish entrepreneurial communtiy was anti-Polish and has played into the hands of international corproate cartels. Hopefully the present government will finally do something about that long neglected problem.
TheOther 5 | 3,017    
14 Jan 2016  #21

But it was even better business for the global exploiters

Doing business is all about profit. You think that Polish employers would be different?
delphiandomine 87 | 15,756    
14 Jan 2016  #22

But it was even better business for the global exploiters who have extracted several times that amount from Poland.

Source?

Hopefully the present government will finally do something about that long neglected problem.

The current government has done the opposite. Instead of helping PZU and PKO with capital, they've chosen to extract significant amounts of tax from them.
jon357 70 | 12,793    
14 Jan 2016  #23

Polish Americans

What happens within the EU has diddlysquat to do with them or any other group outside Europe.
delphiandomine 87 | 15,756    
14 Jan 2016  #24

Doing business is all about profit. You think that Polish employers would be different?

Interestingly, what happens in Poland is that people prefer to work for foreign companies because they have far more robust CSR policies, far more transparent promotion criteria and much more.
polishinvestor 1 | 319    
14 Jan 2016  #25

But it was even better business for the global exploiters who have extracted several times that amount from Poland.

No foreign corporate force any Pole to buy something they did not want. One of the first entrants was Biedronka, probably the most favoured supermarket amongst the lower middle class. Most of them wouldnt shop at any other store under gunpoint even. Why do they shop there? Because it offered cheaper prices than local private shops and produce whose quality was at a certain level. So it gained the trust of the population. And yes its Portuguese owned, so the profits get sent back home. But its the same for any company investing in a foreign land. They operate to make a pofit and remit profits back home. Biedronka and co isnt successful becuase the Poles were tricked. Nobody in Poland had the funding or the capability (i wont say inteligence) to roll out such business. And that leads onto my next point. The majority of Poles have very little savings and are cautious by nature (no entrepreneurial nature on the whole), so even if foreigners left overnight, they would be unable to fill the gap. As most developing nations, Poland needs foreign investment to expand and in return this investment also creates jobs and better conditions as well as access to things people only dreamt about 2 decades ago. So expecting Poland to turf everyone out and do everything for themselves is entirely impossible. The only way they could fund such activity is by printing money by that would create hyper inflation and bankcrupt the country. They in fact did this when under communism and theState bankrolled all business, but of course then we had the one million zloty note and people queued all days for bananas. And the only people who want to return to those times where everyone was the same are those with no ambition to better themselves.
jon357 70 | 12,793    
14 Jan 2016  #26

EU, love it or leave it!

Exactly. When people voted to join the EU, they signed up to the whole package (and as a country we are doing very well indeed out of the EU).
OP Polonius3 1,019 | 12,575    
14 Jan 2016  #27

No foreign corporate force

The less well to do will naturally choose a cheaper food soruce. I presume you are not just anotehr Joe Sixpack (as they say in the States) but a thinking person. Rank and file shoppers in Poland and elsewhere as well do not think in terms of market forces, corporate shenanaigins, GDP or the like but only want to put food on their table at bargain prices.

After 26 years, why are there so few Polish food chains that can compete with Biedronka, Lidl and other? Poladnis a majro food producer and should be able to sell mroe cheaply of only due to smaller tzrasnprot costs. Even before Poland fell into the EU straijacket that limited her moves, why did those pre-EU governmetns fail to assist the Polish business communtiy to expand and become competitive? Hopefully the PiS government will finally do something despite the present EU stranglehold.
jon357 70 | 12,793    
14 Jan 2016  #28

The less well to do will naturally choose a cheaper food soruce

People will shop where they like to shop, wherever is convenient for them and where they can afford to. The ownership structure and origin of the supermarket is an irrelevance to most people except diehard Co-op/Społem shoppers.

Very hard to see how the EU have "interfered" with people's choice in shopping, or how the concerns expressed around Europe about abuses carried out by Poland's current despised minority regime have anything to do with supermarkets, almost all of which are tradable on the stock exchange anyway.

Didn't you say yourself that you shop (as I do) at Biedronka. Except I don't buy the 1.49 zloty VIP lager.
Ironside 46 | 8,406    
14 Jan 2016  #29

How many Polish corporations are there which could provide the number of jobs that foreign companies do in Poland?

Other as usual you understand everything in your own way to put it mildly. I'm not claiming that all foreign investment and all foreign companies are bad and should be tossed out. I'm saying that the way it went after Soviet Union disintegrated wasn't good for Polish economy and the EU the way it is now is even worse for Poland's developed and economy.

The country being drained from resources, work force and cash. Could you for once in your life think before you started making judgmental posts based on FT articles and your ornery imagining.

Why don't you sit back comfortably in your tufted chair and consider what I have told you, numbers speak louder than words.

Except I don't buy the 1.49 zloty VIP lager.

Right, you 'nicked' them.
nothanks - | 664    
14 Jan 2016  #30

EU, love it or leave it!

Leave it

The West can enjoy all the rapes and terrorist attacks you desire




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