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80 years to the Battle of Moscow!!!


OP Vlad1234 18 | 1,203
26 Jan 2022 #151
From 1976 to 1980, the Soviets invested US$1.7 billion on the construction and remodeling of Cuban factories and industry. Between 1981 and 1984 Cuba also received approximately US$750 million a year in Soviet military assistance.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba%E2%80%93Soviet_Union_relations

Russia's parliament has ratified an agreement that will see Moscow write off 90% of cash-strapped Cuba's $35.2bn debt to the Soviet Union
theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/10/russia-writes-off-cuban-debt
40-50 years ago 32 billons was as 320 billions now, save the inflation.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,873
26 Jan 2022 #152
From your link:

Cuba became increasingly dependent on Soviet markets and military aid

A fully dependent minion....that's exactly what Moscow wanted....be it Cuba or the GDR.....

...With Cuba's proximity to the United States, Castro and his regime became an important Cold War ally for the Soviets. The relationship was for the most part economic, with the Soviet Union providing military, economic, and political assistance to Cuba. In 1972, Cuba gained membership into the Council of Mutual Economic Assistance (CMEA), which enhanced strong co-operation in the realm of national economic planning and increasingly gave Moscow economic control over Cuba.[14] ...

But that too ended with Gorbatschow:

....Demonstrative of the cooling of Cold War tensions and "new thinking" was the announcement by Gorbachev on September 11, 1991, that all Soviet troops would be removed from Cuba.[26]...

The end of the Soviet Union in December 1991 had an immediate and devastating effect on Cuba. Valuable aid and trading privileges ended for Cuba, with the Soviet Union no longer existing. Cuba soon entered a fiscal crisis.[28]

Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,873
26 Jan 2022 #153
Russian minions had never be allowed to become independent....they were made to need the USSR to survive, to keep them dependent on Moscow....every investment was used to gain a big pay back for Moscow, to force these countries longterm....generosity or helpfulness was never part of these calculations.

Of course, nobody calculated with Gorbatschow, that the biggest danger wouldn't come from the outside but from the inside....and how the minions all broke down and run away the moment they could should tell you alot Vlad! It couldn't have been so nice as you try to paint it....
OP Vlad1234 18 | 1,203
26 Jan 2022 #154
Russian President, Vladimir Putin, has written off $20 billion of accumulated debt owed by African countries during the Soviet era.
saharareporters.com/2019/10/24/putin-russia-wrote-20-billion-debt-owed-african-nations
Between 1955 and 1958, Syria received about $294 million from the Soviet Union for military and economic assistance.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Syria_relations
Miloslaw 14 | 4,389
26 Jan 2022 #155
they were made to need the USSR to survive

Correct and that is exactly what China is doing today.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,873
26 Jan 2022 #156
Russian President, Vladimir Putin, has written off $20 billion of accumulated debt owed by African countries during the Soviet era.

Wonder why? Here it is:

President Putin also said that the Russian Federation would work with Africa to support the implementation of the African Continental Free Trade Area agreement, in particular by supporting collaboration with the Eurasian Economic Union.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_Economic_Union

The Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU)is an economic union of post-soviet states located in Eastern Europe, Western Asia and Central Asia.

He wants new minions....
OP Vlad1234 18 | 1,203
26 Jan 2022 #157
MOSCOW - The Soviet Union gave $23 billion in economic and technical aid to developing countries in 1986
latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-09-13-mn-7590-story.html
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,873
26 Jan 2022 #158
Why are you forgetting the rest???

..the official Tass news agency reported Friday

:)

Even as I totally believe that....especially towards the "developing" countries like the new sandinist regime in Nicaragua etc...wanting to establish a new socialist foothold after Cuba....who wouldn't!

...In and after 1986, presidents of Argentina, Uruguay and Brazil paid their first visits to the Soviet Union in stepped-up moves to build closer relations with the communist country....

mofa.go.jp/policy/other/bluebook/1989/1989-3-4.htm

To bad the USSR would not much longer be a possible partner....
OP Vlad1234 18 | 1,203
26 Jan 2022 #159
You have to wonder why they keep coming....

And why?
OP Vlad1234 18 | 1,203
26 Jan 2022 #161
In regard to german energy dependence on Russia you could ask of Germany the same....

But it isn't just energy. Ukraine is totally dependent...

Remember the famous German WWII fighter planes screeming sound? It was produced by specially designed sirens and the only purpose of this sound was INTIMIDATION. To suppress people's moral and set terror in their hearts.

youtube.com/watch?v=fhJ8HY24Pb8
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,430
26 Jan 2022 #162
Remember the famous German WWII fighter planes screeming sound?

Do you?
OP Vlad1234 18 | 1,203
26 Jan 2022 #163
All people saw it in movies many times.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,430
26 Jan 2022 #164
No, this is qute reliable info.

Well only few days ago on TV it was said how Poland was taking loans in dollars in the west and how Soviet took the money and give us transfer rubles one to one. That was robbery but it may look like a deal for cluless people. I guess the same is with those factories.

Same with food and coal send to Soviets and they pay with their papier money you could wipe your ...with.
If Poland would sell it to the west could earn ten of t more.
OP Vlad1234 18 | 1,203
26 Jan 2022 #165
If Poland would sell it to the west could earn ten of t more.

Have level of life in Poland skyrocketed right after ties with USSR were broken?
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,873
26 Jan 2022 #166
Imagine Poland free in the West for 40 years, not under that yoke....there would have been not need to skyrocket for anything!

Even the former GDR has yet not reached the level of West Germany, it takes long to heal from that "liberation" and "help" and "support".
OP Vlad1234 18 | 1,203
26 Jan 2022 #167
there would have been not need to skyrocket for anything!

Poland broke ties with USSR 33 years ago. I want to see the chart which shows how much total manufacturing output grew up for all this time. Up to day I didn't hear something about Polish cars, planes, computers, electronics or household technics.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,873
26 Jan 2022 #168
Now you are grasping for straws, aren't you....

Anyhow, have to leave....good night!
Miloslaw 14 | 4,389
26 Jan 2022 #169
@Vlad1234

You are just a Russian troll and post nothing but lies and rubbish.
Please give us some, non Russian, links to make your caae.....you can't can you....
pawian 187 | 17,898
26 Jan 2022 #170
Have level of life in Poland skyrocketed right after ties with USSR were broken?

No, it didn`t because the communist economy was so corrupt and rotten it needed 2, 3 years to recuperate and gain new energy right after the collapse of the system. Below, Polish GNP since 1995. I was poor in early 1990s, today I am rich. hahahaha



OP Vlad1234 18 | 1,203
26 Jan 2022 #171
Below, Polish GNP since 1995.

I was talking about MANUFACTURING. GDP is very speculative indicator.
pawian 187 | 17,898
26 Jan 2022 #172
GDP is very speculative indicator.

Well, in the developing post communist countries like Poland of the 1990s, GDP is a factor closely connected with manufacturing. Where did this wealth come from? A proverbial rich uncle from America sent dollars in his private mail? :):)

OK, here is the rise in manufacturing output. Enjoy! :):):)



OP Vlad1234 18 | 1,203
26 Jan 2022 #173
here is the rise in manufacturing output.

Link?
pawian 187 | 17,898
26 Jan 2022 #174
Do you think I am taking you for a ride?? :)::):) You are funny. It is a commonly known fact that Polish economy skyrocketed when reformed after the catastrophic communist rule of 1980s. Remember - I never lie talking about obvious facts. :):)
OP Vlad1234 18 | 1,203
26 Jan 2022 #175
Polish economy skyrocketed

Could you name some Worldwide known Polish manufacturing producer giant or high-tech company?
Novichok 3 | 7,111
27 Jan 2022 #176
Could you name some Worldwide known Polish manufacturing producer

It would be hard with all EE's gone West.
pawian 187 | 17,898
27 Jan 2022 #178
Worldwide known Polish manufacturing producer

Worldwide can be hard but Europewide - easier. But why do you want it? We are talking about the differences between communist and capitalist output. And here the facts are obvious - capitalism exceeds communism more than threefold at least in Poland, I am not sure about Russia. :):):)
pawian 187 | 17,898
27 Jan 2022 #179
Manufacturing in Russia still has to reach total output levels of 1989.

Do you mean Russia as a part of the Soviet Union or the whole Soviet Union`s output?

I understand now why so many Russians nostalgically recall the Soviet Union. :):) There are some guys like that in Poland too but generally a small minority.
OP Vlad1234 18 | 1,203
27 Jan 2022 #180
Do you mean Russia as a part of the Soviet Union or the whole Soviet Union`s output?

I'm quite sure it is the first one.

Ukraine and majority of former USSR republics (including Baltic States) lost even larger share of manufacturing than Russia in the last 30 years.


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