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80 years to the Battle of Moscow!!!


Vlad1234 18 | 1,203
4 Dec 2021 #1
A Russian movie about Battle of Moscow in English lang.
youtube.com/watch?v=oxKBAXonWrQ
Joker 2 | 2,345
4 Dec 2021 #2
Im waiting for the battle of Kiev...... Who cares about 80 years ago!!
OP Vlad1234 18 | 1,203
4 Dec 2021 #3
Battle of Kiev? Could you explain?
Joker 2 | 2,345
4 Dec 2021 #4
Im trying to glimpse into the future, just waiting for Vlad to attack the Ukraine. Who will stop him, Biden??
OP Vlad1234 18 | 1,203
4 Dec 2021 #5
What would be the reason for a attack on Ukraine? And what would be the goal? Ukraine is quite large to be kept occupied easily. Ukraine is very unlikely to become NATO member in the few nearest decades. Even less likely any NATO military bases will appear there. So, what is the reason?
Joker 2 | 2,345
4 Dec 2021 #6
What would be the reason for a attack on Ukraine

Ask the 100,000 soldiers that are massing on the border or is it just another Putin Picnic?

And what would be the goal?

You tell me? Maybe the return of the good ol days?
jon357 70 | 19,658
4 Dec 2021 #7
just waiting for Vlad to attack the Ukraine.

Yes; either he'll do it, or he'll do something else. So much of what that **** Putin does is about testing the water. He wants to go down in history as a great leader.

Who will stop him, Biden??

Any American president, whether it's one you like, one I like, or one we both like or dislike, is I hope sensible enough to take the very best military advice on this matter and act in three ways. Those three ways are his/her first responsibility, the wellbeing of Americans, then the wellbeing of European allies (don't forget where the forebears of most Americans came from and where the ideals of freedom and democracy that we all cherish were born and survive/develop and grow now) and also the balance of power that will lead to either a better world or a worse one.

You missed a good one with Hilary...

And what would be the goal?

His glory.

"God, save the Tsar!
Strong, sovereign,
Reign for glory, for our glory!

Reign to make foes fear,
Orthodox Tsar!
God, save the Tsar!"

youtu.be/3PtlglcmgDU
OP Vlad1234 18 | 1,203
4 Dec 2021 #8
Ask the 100,000 soldiers that are massing on the border or is it just another Putin Picnic?

More likely they are just trying to scarry away Ukraine from taking active armed actions in Donetsk and Lugansk. If it will happen Russia will enter army in these regions under excuse of peacekeeping and protecting Russian citizens. Not a few people got their Russian pasports already. Some people who live in Ukraine think it would be not a big loss if these regions will keep separate from Ukraine as culturally, mentally and linguistically they are hardly a part of Ukraine.
jon357 70 | 19,658
4 Dec 2021 #9
ulturally, mentally and linguistically they are hardly a part of Ukraine.

So better make a strong Ukraine. rather than Russian bullshit.
OP Vlad1234 18 | 1,203
4 Dec 2021 #10
So better make a strong Ukraine

Dreaming isn't harmful...
Joker 2 | 2,345
4 Dec 2021 #11
Any American president, whether it's one you like, one I like

I hope so, when we have a weak feckless President like Biden our enemies try to take advantage. He should have never approved that pipeline as well.

China is watching closely and might make an attempt towards Taiwain. Its only been 11 months of Biden and the world is a mess.

More likely they are just trying to scarry away Ukr. Iaine

I dont think Putin wants any NATO missile bases in Ukraine and will invade to stop it?

Anyhow.... I hope for a peaceful solution!
OP Vlad1234 18 | 1,203
4 Dec 2021 #12
I dont think Putin wants any NATO missile bases in Ukraine

But NATO will not accept Ukraine in the nearest decades. Farthermore only minority of Ukrainians accept NATO membership at present. Even fewer accept foreign missile bases.
Joker 2 | 2,345
4 Dec 2021 #13
Im wondering if the other NATO countries really want to let the Ukraine become a member?

Ive asked a couple of my Polish friends and they said they dont care about the Ukraine and had some really disparaging comments about them.
jon357 70 | 19,658
4 Dec 2021 #14
a weak feckless President like Biden

All that matters is to have a sensible one with string advisers. You've got that, rather than the last ****.
Miloslaw 13 | 4,155
4 Dec 2021 #15
@Joker

I am.afraid that the Ukrainians are seen as being too Russian by some Poles.
This may be their downfall.
But I think that Poles have got it wrong on this one.
OP Vlad1234 18 | 1,203
4 Dec 2021 #16
I am.afraid that the Ukrainians are seen as being too Russian by some Poles.

Why does it really matter if they are Russian or not?
jon357 70 | 19,658
4 Dec 2021 #17
Russian

Russians are just people. The Russian state however is one sick puppy.
OP Vlad1234 18 | 1,203
4 Dec 2021 #18
What do you have against of sacred Mother Russia? Ugh! - Fie! It Russian spirit stinks! - an old witch Baba Yaga says. And you?
jon357 70 | 19,658
5 Dec 2021 #19
Russian spirit stinks

Yes.
Strzelec35 36 | 1,507
5 Dec 2021 #20
Yes, this battle really saved the war as did Stalingrad the next year. The biggest largest most epic battles in history and dwarf anything Poland has ever done besides maybe Grunwald which was a joint effort with Lithuania and Veytutas did most of the work.
OP Vlad1234 18 | 1,203
5 Dec 2021 #21
Yes, this battle really saved the war as did Stalingrad the next year.

And probably saved the lives to everyone who lived in the USSR. And Poland as well..
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,143
5 Dec 2021 #22
Ive asked a couple of my Polish friends

I don;t know about your friends but the public opnion in Poland support Ukrainie in their stand off with Russia.

I am.afraid that the Ukrainians are seen as being too Russian by some Poles.

Are you Polish? You are not. Not a one person in Poland would put it like that.
Polish issue with Ukrainians are Bandera and fact that the country hasn't denounced Bandera and his idology as a bad thing.

And probably saved the lives to everyone who lived in the USSR. And Poland as well..

It wasn't Russia it was Soviet Union. Funny that left idology as always solve problems it created.
Like it was coperation between Soviet Union and Germany after war world 1 that helped Germany regain their military so fast. Ore from Soviet Union helped too.

War world 2 started thanks to Soviet help against Poland. Soviet was Hilter ally for two years during the last world war.
Good they infighted but Soviet was a part of the problem and hasn't done any favours to anyone. Yet they are shameless and like to take a credit.

I would think Russia would be wiser but seems like it is Soviet Union take 2 not Russia.
OP Vlad1234 18 | 1,203
5 Dec 2021 #23
Polish issue with Ukrainians are Bandera and fact that the country hasn't denounced Bandera

Current Ukrainian president could be hardly suspected in pro-Bandera sympathies. But in all civilized countries it is the duty of the courts do denounce someone, not a president's duty. The courts need to have a lawsuit, proves and evidence. Bandera was never a Ukrainian citizen. He was born in Austrian Empire and died in Germany. Why current Ukrainian government suppose to denounce someone who doesn't have an official relation to their country?

Ukrainian citizens of Polish descent could apply in Ukrainian court with request to denounce Bandera and provide prooves and evidence. Let see what will happen then. I hope both countries will find mutual satisaction and reconciliation on that matter someday.
Strzelec35 36 | 1,507
5 Dec 2021 #24
Why would they denounce bandera when poland doesnt denounce its killing of jews in the 30 pogroms including kielce and jedwabne outside of some "missions" by the polish jewish synagoge or something and it actually celebrates its own banderas like Ogien Kuras calling them heroes even on this forum guys like Iron calling them that in that przekleci zolnierze threads? calling rapists and burnders of villages as heroes but they want another country to denounce someone oh why because they targeted their crap ethnicity and country (oh its ok to support america they killed millions of indians and made slavery and wear confederate flags like polaks like to do but bandera is bad lol). its ok for us or our american allies to do it but if some other country does it to us we have to hate them lol. WHat about the retaliation killings by ak thats ok too to murder chidlren and women because someone else did it first. when are they going to denounce those? Thats like saying someone else shot my neighbour so lets kill some little kid across the street from that race. typical polaks.
OP Vlad1234 18 | 1,203
5 Dec 2021 #25
Ore from Soviet Union helped too.

They would get it all the same somewhere in the World. Soviet Union was probably in isolation and desperetly needed money or hi-tech goods. The ore is not a precious to seat on it.
Strzelec35 36 | 1,507
5 Dec 2021 #26
lol logic of nationalists like that spike guy or iron on here:

its ok to kill people just because theyre communists or from a diff belief system but if they kill a polak oh no burn them for being polish. so ogien kuras is a great guy to them. A very good hearted and peaceful individual wasnt he? These naitonalist mentalities remind me of mentality of california-based prison gangs. lol similar people. they are obsessed with bandera and **** from 80 yrs ago because they have no modern or current lives to worry about.
OP Vlad1234 18 | 1,203
5 Dec 2021 #27
Why would they denounce bandera

Obviously all these talks about Bandera are mostly a convenient excuse to pay to those Ukrainians who work in Poland as little as possible. Kinda Ukraine doesn't have a bigger troubles currently...
Strzelec35 36 | 1,507
5 Dec 2021 #28
Yes and to treat them like garbage. Then they complain when theyre treated like crpa in the UK or Germany the same people willing to do it to someone else.
jon357 70 | 19,658
5 Dec 2021 #29
Why would they denounce bandera

Quite. Or address the issues of pre-war repression of Ukrainians which led to hostility from the Banderiƛci.

Interestingly, when the worst of the UPA-B atrocities happened, bandera himself was in Dachau and unaware of it.
Strzelec35 36 | 1,507
5 Dec 2021 #30
Didnt the UPA learn from the einatsgruppen? Everyone in Poland seems to think their methods were worse than the Germans but I dont buy that crap. They simply learned from the best not your average German. Plus they only refer to catholic Poles not jews. I am sure eisenstsgrupen and others were that way (hence they learned form them) to jews just not them (catholic Poles or who they consider "Polish").


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