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Who in PF votes in Polish elections?


InPolska 11 | 1,821
25 Jul 2015 #1
I do not....

Probably nobody else does ;)
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
25 Jul 2015 #2
I do not....

I vote in every one that I can - local and European, as well as for the President of the city.

Another two years and I'll vote in every one :)
Wulkan - | 3,251
25 Jul 2015 #3
Who in PF votes in Polish elections?

I do, someone needs to vote against scum like PO or Komorowski...
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
25 Jul 2015 #4
Not even resident in Poland and yet interfering in our elections?
OP InPolska 11 | 1,821
25 Jul 2015 #5
OK but I had more in mind general elections ;).

If I could (in general + presidential elections), I would vote TR. I can neither stand PiS's bigotry nor PO's arrogance. Which one is worse? I don't know, tak samo and the 2 of them drive me nuts...

Since PiS is to win, do you think your life shall change (for the worse)???

@Wulkan: so you do vote in general elections, don't you? Did you vote in May?
Wulkan - | 3,251
25 Jul 2015 #6
Not even resident in Poland and yet interfering in our elections?

boohoo?

@Wulkan: so you do vote in general elections, don't you? Did you vote in May?

Yes I did and I will vote in September as well.
gumishu 11 | 5,190
25 Jul 2015 #7
Probably nobody else does ;)

well I am Polish and I live in Poland so I am eligible to vote and I do vote
OP InPolska 11 | 1,821
25 Jul 2015 #8
@Wulkan; so you are a Polish Citizen!

Do you believe polls?

Personally I think it'd be logical to have a Sejm dominated by PiS since President from PiS just elected. It just makes sense to me.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
25 Jul 2015 #9
Since PiS is to win, do you think your life shall change (for the worse)???

For the worse. PiS stand for excessive nepotism (their actions between 2005-2007 speak for themselves) and excessive governmental interference.

What bothers me most about PiS is that they will put a political spin on absolutely everything. They'll spend a lot of time trying to over regulate things (for instance, forcing shops to close on Sundays regardless of what the workers actually want) - and you'll see them directly interfering in independent institutions to meet their political aims. Polonius on here is the best example - he would openly kill legitimate businesses just to achieve a particular political aim. You'll also see them raising taxes slyly (for instance, fuel taxes) to pay for endless social initiatives. What's most disturbing is that you'll see many institutions being "taken over" to "purge" them - TVP during the 2005-2007 period was a great example, but after 8 years in opposition, the desire for revenge is huge.

To me, although not a PO voter (I voted for Jaskowiak in Poznań, but he was more or less a candidate of the centre and left rather than a PO candidate as such), I'm happy with their general direction. Not everything is perfect, but in general, the country is getting richer and is progressing in the right path.

I think we'll see PiS attempting to run a minority government, to be honest. There will be an anti-PiS rainbow coalition, but it's in PO's interest to stand back and let PiS ruin things for a while. After a couple of years, the joint PO/SLD/PiS opposition will cause the government to fall - and the election in 2019 will see PiS crushed again. All very predictable :)
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
25 Jul 2015 #10
PiS

PiS can count on about 65% of the votes of America's Polonia. If voters in Poland were a bit more sophisticated they would see throuhg the empty promises and phoney claims of the Platformer scam artists.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
25 Jul 2015 #11
How nice of you to say that Polish voters are unsophisticated.

Remember, it wasn't the intelligentsia that emigrated to America, but rather the stupid and the uneducated. There's a reason why they vote for PiS ;)
Wulkan - | 3,251
25 Jul 2015 #12
Remember, it wasn't the intelligentsia that emigrated to America, but rather the stupid and the uneducated.

Quite the opposite, stupid and uneducated couldn't even afford going to America.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
25 Jul 2015 #13
Of course they could. Passage was cheap in those days, although not particularly comfortable.

Many people arriving through Ellis Island (not just Poles, but many others) were illiterate, for a start. What often happened was that one relative would pay for the passage of a family member (the father, usually) - who would then earn money to pay for the rest of the family to follow.

It's no surprise that village-dwellers produced more village dwellers and thus voting for PiS is as natural as using an outdoors toilet to them.
Wulkan - | 3,251
25 Jul 2015 #14
Thank you for demonstrating once again how ill-informed you are about history of the Polish immigration. These days when so much information is available online and you can read it without going out of your comfortable zone (home) it's unbelievable.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
25 Jul 2015 #15
Thank you for trying to alter history.

It's not exactly much of a secret that most emigration to America during that time wasn't exactly the ...elite of society. Why would the elite leave, after all? It's particularly noticeable as to who left post-1919. But here's a clue - the II RP had no use for uneducated fools.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
25 Jul 2015 #16
reason why they vote for PiS

Maybe in your distorted view. They vote for PiS because they are patriotic and pro-Polish and not pro-EU, pro-global, por-libertine or pro-cosmopolitan. They can spot the venom behind all the Platformer sweet talk and pious platitudes.

the intelligentsia

Remember it was mainly the intelligentisa that collaborated with the Soviets ("useful idiots" Stalin called them)and with the PZPR regime. Now the wykształciuchy are collaborating with the Brussels regime and exploitative multinationals with a view only to their own personal perks and profits and to hell with the rest of the country. Remember: scam artists and embezzlers are rarely stupid!
JollyRomek 7 | 481
25 Jul 2015 #17
Remember it was mainly the intelligentisa that collaborated with the Soviets

On the contrary. Why do you think so many people of the intelligentsia in Poland disappeared and were replaced by system conform working class people?

Honestly Polonius, that has to be the one of the most stupid comments i read in a long time.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
25 Jul 2015 #18
Remember it was mainly the intelligentisa that collaborated with the Soviets ("useful idiots" Stalin called them)and with the PZPR regime.

Blimey, Polonius, that's a remarkable statement if there ever was one. Have you forgotten about the vast amount of middle classes such as teachers and priests that were killed by the Germans and Soviets?

Don't tell me that you actually support the destruction of the intelligentsia? By the way - as for collaboration, may I point you at the fact that the Party had quite a lot of support in rural areas? The Blok Demokratyczny was estimated to have won around 50% of the vote in the '47 election - most of their real support came from villages and the working classes.
JollyRomek 7 | 481
25 Jul 2015 #19
50%

Why do you waste your time? Anybody who claims that the intelligentsia of any ex communist country collaborated with the Soviets is an idiot. I wouldn't waste my breath on people like this,
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
25 Jul 2015 #20
around 50% of the vote in the '47 election

Stalin put it quite bluntly: It's not important how people vote, what's important is who counts the ballots!
Its no secret to anyone that all commie-era elections were rigged.
I suggest you read Arthur Bliss Lane's "I saw Poland betrayed". He was the US ambassdor to Poland during the 3 x tak referendum and fist post-war general election.
JollyRomek 7 | 481
25 Jul 2015 #21
It's not important how people vote, what's important is who counts the ballots!

And that is why your statement regarding the intelligentsia does not make sense. Think before you post.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
25 Jul 2015 #22
Its no secret to anyone that all commie-era elections were rigged.

Yes, the actual "result" was completely rigged. But the 50% figure was estimated by one of those involved with rigging the election on behalf of Stalin. People seem to forget that the Communists did enjoy a degree of support from the rural and working classes, particularly as their land reform policies were very popular. That support was gone within a few years of course - but it did exist.

I suggest you read Arthur Bliss Lane's "I saw Poland betrayed". He was the US ambassdor to Poland during the 3 x tak referendum and fist post-war general election.

Thank you, I will. Another other suggestions for good books about the post war era?
Wulkan - | 3,251
25 Jul 2015 #23
Yes, they waited until 2004 and then went to the UK and Ireland......... like you :)

Your trolling is not worth my time.

It's not exactly much of a secret that most emigration to America during that time wasn't exactly the ...elite of society.

They were usually middle or higher class people, uneducated peasants couldn't simply afford it

Why would the elite leave, after all?

They didn't. It was a great opportunity those days and many Europeans left to USA during that period. Just go and read about it instead of making the things up.
JollyRomek 7 | 481
25 Jul 2015 #24
Your trolling is not worth my time.

It is not trolling Wulkan, it is a fact. I have lived in Ireland and the UK long enough (after 2004) to know what kind of Poles went there. And the general perception in your country about the people who left is the same.

So are you saying that outsiders and your own countrymen are wrong about the fact that the scum has left Poland? Why did you leave Poland? Couldn't get a job?
Wulkan - | 3,251
25 Jul 2015 #25
I have lived in Ireland and the UK long enough (after 2004) to know what kind of Poles went there.

It also shows what kind of Germans went there since you was there too.

Why did you leave Poland?

I was always fascinated about living abroad.

Couldn't get a job?

Graduates of Politechnika Gdańska can find jobs in any country.
JollyRomek 7 | 481
25 Jul 2015 #26
Graduates of Politechnika Gdańska

Enough to change bedsheets in UK hostels. Congratulations to your degree :-)
Wulkan - | 3,251
25 Jul 2015 #27
Thank you for proving once again that you ain't nothing but trolling.
Vox - | 175
26 Jul 2015 #28
But the 50% figure was estimated by one of those involved with rigging the election on behalf of Stalin.

He worked for Stalin so he must be trustworthy and reliable source. Your sharp and analytical mind is surly a great assed for Poland.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
26 Jul 2015 #29
Yawn. This stuff is all in the archives. Remember, Stalin was a monster, but even monsters need facts in order to rule.

They were usually middle or higher class people, uneducated peasants couldn't simply afford it

No, they really weren't. If they were, they would be able to spell their name to the authorities on Ellis Island, rather than the mess that exists today. Middle and Upper classes already had their place in partitioned Poland and thrived in the II RP - why would they emigrate?

They didn't. It was a great opportunity those days and many Europeans left to USA during that period. Just go and read about it instead of making the things up.

America was a great opportunity for those that couldn't find work or had no prospects in Europe. It wasn't such a great offer for the educated classes, hence they stayed and built their new countries.
Wulkan - | 3,251
26 Jul 2015 #30
If they were, they would be able to spell their name to the authorities on Ellis Island

ROTFL Their names were Americanized on purpose not because they couldn't spell it. Same thing happened to French and other surnames that Americans couldn't pronounce.

America was a great opportunity for those that couldn't find work or had no prospects in Europe. It wasn't such a great offer for the educated classes

Yes, America was built by uneducated idiots that's why they are so powerful country right now. Tell us some more interesting stuff so we can have more laugh.


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