Trump, Kaczyński dwa bratanki (two of a kind)

In America, the Washington-New York political elite, their Ivy League pundits and academic, corporate and entertainment-industry allies had ruled the roost and imposed their "politically correct" agenda on the rest of the country for far too long. In Poland, similar know-it-all elites are additionally riddled with former communist-era secret-police agents and paid informers

"It's a whole new beginning," Polish prime Minister Beata Szydło summed up Trump's victory last November. "Certainly policies in the United States will change, but politics around the world are changing before of our very eyes. His election win is part of a larger phenomenon that we have been observing for some time," she predicted. Some analysts have called it a grass-roots revolution against ruling establishments.

Initially regarded by EU elites as rogue states of a sort, Poland and Hungary could be called precursors of what was soon to follow. British voters voted to leave the intrusive European Union, and Trump's election shocked America's overconfident liberal establishment. Grass-roots support for conservative and right-leaning groups is gaining momentum in Germany, France, Holland, Austria, Italy and elsewhere.

How Trump performs in practice remains to be seen, but Poland's conservative camp has already carried out an extensive reform program benefiting many hitherto ignored and neglected segments of Polish society. Each legislative act has triggered a fresh wave of attacks by the frustarted and impotent opposition. But, however loud its opponents rant, chant and pound the pavement, the anti-Trump and anti-Kaczyński demonstrators seem to be forgetting history's single most important lesson: that nothing lasts forever and no one elite can rule indefinitely!

The KODerasts and their PO nad Petru sidekicks chant, rant, pant, spew their hatred at every turn and ty to drag foreign countries into the row. But when all is said and done, the Polish nation has shown them the red card. The latest CBOS survey shows PiS with 40% support, followed by PO - 17%, Petru - 9%, Kukiz - 8% and SLD - 5%.

Ya ya ya. Your visions about Poland are as far away from truth as you are from Poland.

If they're bratanki indeed then pls tell me when Trump's gonna give millions to Catholic cultists.

Yes, this thread have its wisdom. Time for Poland, maybe, at last

Trump advoctaes freedom of religion. The democreeps are promotng freedom from relgion, therefore going against the values and sentiments of most Americans. Same with Poland's status quo Koderasts defending the interests of a passé elite.

How about Kaczyński advocating freedom of religion? Hmm? Lol

Told you once you know nothing about Poland.

Neither do you, you are only peddling your own narrow version of your views that is not shared by very many people.
Your ridiculous anti-Catholic, anti-USA, neo-paganism stance is characteristic for some fringe ideology that is shared by a very tiny ratio of the populace in Poland.

Most people think that you're nutters or spoiled and misguided kids.

Of course I do know Poland and Poles. I speak with them everyday. Poles dislike USA. Poles consider USA troops presence provocative towards Russia and know it brings future consequences we will have to deal with on our soil while Americans will stay safe thousands of miles away from here. Poles don't feel safer with US army in our country. Just the opposite. Poles know that US troops movement will be countered by Russian movement and it brings nothing good to us.

You know nothing about us and about Poland. You're a foreigner just like Polonius.

You must speak only with the Koderasts, because they are the only ones that display a veiled pro-Russian streak just to spite PiS. Most Poles are very happy and feel mroe secure having American and NATO boots on the ground firmly planted on Polish soil. In Poland, only traitors and Russophiles are anti-American.

Živjela Amerika! Živjelo NATO!

exPoles who live outside of Poland for decades and get their knowledge from the internet.


Read comments in polish media about the topic. You'll see how wrong you are. It is just like it was with Polish govt taking side in Crimea conflict. 80% of Poles didn't want Poland to get involved yet loonies such as yourself claim Poles wanted to help Ukrainians even today.

you talk to your mates and that is. Apart from that you talk a lot of crap just to feel you tongue flapping. You're very opinionated about all that doesn't concern you. I have already asked you before even if you're right slandering USA - so what? What is your answer for Poland apolitical move because like and dislike, good versus bad you can play in your kindergarten in the real world those are just details.

I guess you have no real answer for that. You just run to your fantasy world into the woods playing Slavic druid or whatnot. If you could travel in time and met a real McCoy you would wet yourself and run to mama shirking in terror and you would have thank the God for the good old Church.


Two things that makes a Poles, a honest willingness to be one, knowledge of her history and Polish cultural cod.
There more people in the country that was born and spend their all lives there that are not really Polish. Just Polish speaking soviets and some locals, not to mention notorious on PF foreigners living in Poland and masquerading as Poles.

Just as a matter of interest, as Nottykins has clearly decided that he will accept the results of surveys and polls (but only it seems when they accord with his own views) in this properly conducted survey by a reputable organisation who conduct their research po Polsku, face to face with Poles living in Poland, the majority of Poles surveyed agreed that being born in Poland is not necessary to make one Polish - isn't that interesting?

pewglobal.org/2017/02/01/what-it-takes-to-truly-be-one-of-us

They felt that the most important factor in terms of belonging was knowledge of the language and customs/traditions. More surpisingly perhaps they felt that being a Christian (let alone a Catholic) was of relatively little importance in 'belonging'.

pewglobal.org/2017/02/01/faith-few-strong-links-to-national-identity

As everybody tends to criticize NTF (also known as Nottykins) for being anti-American here, I have to defend his position a little. There is definitely no hate of the Americans in Poland as Nottykins wrongly assumes thus giving grounds for speculation that he is an "agent of influence" sent by the Russians to the PolishForums, but what if the US really steps up the path of splendid isolation again as it once did?

In a long-term perspective Europe as an entity becomes less and less important in the world. Likewise Europe becomes less and less important for the US, too. Is it that wise for Poland to rely too much on the US neglecting our European allies and Germany in particular? I think there is still need to strenghten our ties with Germany even further (even if Germany germanized the Slavic people living between the Elbe and the Oder some 800 years ago ;-). That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to make our relations with Russia as good as possible.

Živjelo Německo! Živjelo NATO!

Or just as daft as a brush, take your pick :))
Actually he also appears to be anti-Russian, well anti-Soviet anyway which amounts to the same thing, a 'clever' bit of duplicity, which is of course typically Russian and therefore proves that he is indeed a Friend of the Kremlin or a FOK as we might say.


Nobody should - and especially now that Donald Duck is at the helm.


Have nothing to do with them, that's my advice.

So if one is against something it means he actually likes the thing? Lol. Are you a friend of a gay member of this forum named Jon357 who claims if one dislike homos it means he's homo? Maybe if I'll say I hate Nazis it means I'm in love with that sick ideology?

Lonnies. Lonnies everywhere.


Fixed

Exactly. Those little brained people on this forum can't see the obvious. Poland doesn't have to lean towards only one option. If Poland were close friends with Russia soon we'd become just a tool with which Russia secures their needs. It works the other way too. Now Poland is nothing more than a tool for Yanks to keep influence in the area and to flex muscles at Russia. Nothing else.

But the time will come when we will pay for that with our blood while Americans will just lose some business. I'll pay with my blood while some Atch will stay safe wherever he/she is.

And in what way, pray do tell, did I advocate military alliances with the USA or inviting Americans onto Polish soil?

Now to other matters.


Here's how it works:

'Hello friendly Pole, I'm a Russian agent and I'd just like a moment of your time to warn you against nasty Americans.'

Now that didn't work very well, so I try again:

'Hello friendly Pole, I'm another friendly Pole and I feel I have a responsibilty to warn you about nasty Americans. Oh and just to be sure that you trust me, I agree with the vast majority of other Polish people that Russia is baaaad and not to be trusted.'

Ah, that was much better. They may think I'm a bit of a nutter but my cover remains intact. I shall live to troll another day and sew the seeds of public unrest.

Of course you're not a Russian agent but you'd like to be, go on, you would, wouldn't you? :))

Of course I wouldn't. I hate Russia (not common people though) for our history more than I hate Germany (same) for WW2.
There's an old joke I find very accurate.

An English lad asks a Pole.
-(E) If you could shoot a Russian and a German with no consequences who'd you shoot first?
-(P with no hesitation)German of course!
-(E)Why so?
-(P)Duty first pleasure later.

The thing is. All those countries I mentioned (Russia, Germany and USA) have several things in common. All were/are aggressive. All invaded other sovereign countries. All killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people (USA was even killing their own people). I dislike them all. Maybe not equally (I hate Russians and USA more than Germans) but still. Yet you and some other brainwashed people imply that I can't hate USA and Russia simultaneously. Seems you're just way too close-minded and disconnected from our Polish reality to get that.

Now that's where you're wrong. You just don't get it do you? However I spent many years teaching children who couldn't get the concept of one plus zero equals one and not, surprisingly, zero. So I'll persevere with you.

There's no reason why you can't hate both simultaneously. After all, I do, myself. Well I don't actually hate America but I don't have a very high opinion of it. I do detest Russia though- you see now, if you were an agent, Notty, you'd be doing well there, getting that information out of me, unless of course I'm lying............ :)). Like you, I don't dislike the ordinary Russian people, just the 'regime'.

Anyway Notty, I think you're capable of hating a great deal more than just two or three countries, your capacity for hate is probably quite vast and comprehensive.

Funny

youtube.com/watch?v=MtJ31Ug9Zic

Looks like impeachment is imminent for Trump.

Still 'two of a kind'?

I had him pegged for a gonner just as soon as he "won" the election, jon! Washington's too basically staid and proper for a creature like The Trump, 'cuz that's what I call him, for that's what he is!! The Grinch stole Christmas, The Donald stole the presidency and now he's unleashed a Pandora's Box much as America's never seen in recent memory.

Good riddance to The Trump.

Even if he succeeds only in breaking up the fossilised, left-leaning liberal East Coast establishment with their know-all mainstream PC propaganda outlets, Ivy League pundits and status quo politicians, he will have done America an unforgettable service. You surely wouldn't want four years of Dragon Lady Clinton in the Oval Office, possibly with Monica Levinsky as Secretary of State, would you?


Only a moron or person of ill-will could link in a single breath the hotbeds of the 20th century's most murderous totalitarianism with the US, an international beacon of freedom and democracy. Vietnam? No politician can be blamed for not being a fortune-teller. At that time, it appeared that one country after another were succumbing to the red yoke which in the wake of the Cuban debacle appeared a major threat to mankind, hence America's policy of containment, curbing the spread of Marxist cancer. If it wasn't for American GIs, after both World Wars German hegemony over the continent would have been extremely likely. The US a colonial power? The people of all its colony-like territories (Hawaii, Alaska, Puerto Rivo, Virgin Islands) have all voted to remain within the American orbit. That cannot be said of the nations conquered by rapacious British and French colonialists.


That is known as bias based on preconceived notions without a shred of proof. One can meaningfully judge someone only after an extended period of observation, not by going off on the limb of prejudice. And then boasting about it.

Some political analysts predicted that as soon as he was nominated.

A suit with arrows will look good on him.

Must be some "poor man's" political analysts, guided by personal prejudice not empirical analysis. There's loads of them in Poland. They're called the "total(ly hare-brained) opposition!"

Not quite, Po. One of the best known and certainly the one with the best track record...

It's another one of your secret heroes? Unmentionable, eh?.

Being a maverick and being a mega jerk needn't be synonymous, Polonius!

How brat Kaczyński stand with CNN? Is he popular or rather attacked?

Thanks to Trump many people are ready to reconsider their view on Serbia. Trump exposed CNN as propaganda house and now people more willingly listen to Serbians that were victim to CNN propagandists that provided cover story for destruction of Yugoslavia and partition of Serbia, while in fact certain Nazi and Islamic circles pushed for formation of Greater Croatia and Greater Albania.