Let's talk about cars

And that can be crippling. Not to mention close by shops usually have higher prices.

Or try that trip with two small children as a single parent.

This is why it makes sense to build decent shops close to where people live rather than huge out of town superstores.


Millions do every day.

And of ocurse proper public transport mitigates that. Some kids have never been on a bus or train.

Trying to be logical with jon...Good luck. Did you notice his hedge words..."decent", "proper", and "millions"...

A mother with two kids, 2 and 4, and six bags of food doesn't give a ff about "millions". Millions go to bed hungry so she and her kids should do, too?.

What kind of stupid argument is that...

Tough. Cities need to adapt to less car use.

You are free to adapt all you want. You can even hug trees...
A mother with two kids, 2 and 4, and six bags of food doesn't give a ff about "adapting". She wants safety and convenience.

Not everybody lives in cities where it's actually usually much easier to live without car.

And UK is one of the worst countries in Europe to live without car. Awful public transport, low and wide housing

This is true, however so many city-dwellers run one when they don't need to. In the countryside, it's often important to have one, however in a built-up area it shouldn't be, one reason why town planning is beginning to address this.


The public transport is pretty good where I'm based when I'm there however a lot of that is due to a century of Labour councils keeping on toip of it. Nevertheless, low and wide housing began to proliferate in the late 70s and it's important to prevent more of this.

I mentioned earlier that we're looking for a new car. I'd rather not have one, since we've a supermarket near and the metro not too far away however it would be useful for certain long journeys. Better to go by train, however Poland has a poor train network.

How about car rentals joun ?
Rather than a monthly payment, high insurance costs, license plates fees, maintenance, home parking space, depreciation, ect.
Just rent a car when you want to go on a long journey.
Careful in doing this as some insurances only cover you within a certain zone from the home port.

If it's a long way from a railway line or an airport, that's what we've been doing.


Not an issue in PL and there's trains almost everywhere un the UK.

They dont make them like they used too. It would be great to have a time machine and get away from Leftards on skateboards.
Hahaha

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I could not agree more....a Harley or an Indian with no lid(helmet) wind in your hair.....unbeatable!

Do they have helmet ( lid) laws in the UK? We dont have to wear them in my state.

Check out this dude going to work.. Ya, this looks safe!

Ja ide od pracy, baby... BOOM! LOL

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Yes. You have to wear a helmet on a public road.

On private land, you can wear what you like.

This foto must be from the 1960s because gasoline still contains lead. Unhealthy and dangerous.

Yes. We're still paying the environmental cost from the period of lead petrol.

@Joker

LOL!!!!!


And when the British government told us to buy diesel.....

That was a Socialist Labour government.......

Who were absolutely right at the time.

Not that the Tories (who have been in power for far longer during your life and mine) told us not to...

Hey Mazur,the best mileage I got today for my short long drive for Polish lunch

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  The best after a highway trip.
  

In Germany it would be a long long drive.

My dream car. Better than a Corvette.

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Really?

Why?

I noticed that this car can accelerate and go only as fast as the car in front of it but without the noise and other unpleasant things like jumping on every road imperfection. That's why nobody drives Corvettes. Joker was right.