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Vikas    
8 Sep 2018  #211
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I have work visa applications to submit for poland embassy delhi...can u help me in this..
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8 Sep 2018  #212
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Ironside 47 | 9,261    
8 Sep 2018  #213
Pretty sure. It's definitely not a Polish person writing. The use of "We Polish people" is jarring as hell,

You and maf do have a point about it. For a Polish person 'We Polish or we Poles' wouldn't have too include 'people' as in Polish as 'MY Polacy' already implies meaning given by 'people'. For a Polish person to write WE Polish people would sound silly - like in "We Polish people people".

However I agree with you it wasn't a Polish person writing that post not because of a one or the other fine detail but because of the general vibe and expressions used in that post. Poles do not think like that. It is even less likely they would communicate such ideas in a post on some forum in the way that troll who wrote it did.

but the translation pressure remains very storng.

Cause they learn at school that 'people' means people i.e. plural of a person. - that it. Maybe later they came across a phrase 'WE American people' - which is being translated it as a nation but that's about it. In Polish equivalent of that phrase would be 'WE Polish nation' .

In fact a usage of the word 'people' in this context from an outsider point of view is illogical or at least somewhat corny. Hey but that languages for you, context, usage and practise is everything.
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,237    
8 Sep 2018  #214
Most common IME is "We Poles"

It's insulting.

Pole: a long, slender, rounded piece of wood or metal, typically used with one end placed in the ground as a support for something.

In other words, something primitive, brainless, and stuck in one place.
mafketis 16 | 6,322    
8 Sep 2018  #215
Poles do not think like that.

agreed, that great nation sh1t is something russians are obsessed with (making other countries fear them) and not something Poland aspires to

ause they learn at school that 'people' means people i.e. plural of a person

In modern usage (especially American usage) it's almost like a pronoun or suffix that is it often combines with the word before it and becomes kind of invisible to native speakers the way articles are, we see/hear the overall meaning but people doesn't stand out as a separate element.

In language there's no such thing as a free lunch and the loss of endings in English (combined with high levels of homophones) means that new structures have to evolve to disambiguate things. "the Poles" (way overused by Polish speakers of English) is homophonous with "the polls" and "the poles" while "Polish people" is nice and clear so "Polish people" sounds to native speakers like "Polacy" and not like "polscy ludzie" (which sounds ridiculous and stupid)
Ironside 47 | 9,261    
8 Sep 2018  #216
In language

Are you some kind of linguist or is it a hobby of yours?
mafketis 16 | 6,322    
8 Sep 2018  #217
Are you some kind of linguist

Some kind, yes.
Atch 16 | 2,647    
8 Sep 2018  #218
The City of London,for historical reasons operates slightly differently to boroughs,but in all but name,they are effectively the 33rd borough.

They operate very differently. They are self-governing under the Corporation, using a different system based on their ancient rights, which is why they have their own Lord Mayor and don't have to abide by things like planning laws. They can basically do pretty much what they like. It's caused endless bother over the years with the miserable old Lefties who don't like it and want them brought into line. (You ought to know all this if you're a Londoner). London has 33 administrative districts comprising the City of London and the 32 Boroughs, thus sayeth the Lord and that's that.
johnny reb 16 | 3,462    
8 Sep 2018  #219
According to the BBC recognizing there are 33 boroughs so that is not what the Lord sayeth.
I guess it is all on geography as in America the U.K., London are considered England.
The BBC was talking figuratively and you are talking literally.
So I guess it all boils down to who you are talking with.
And for the sake of argument we should leave it at that.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,109    
8 Sep 2018  #220
'WE American people' - which is being translated it as a nation but that's about it. In Polish equivalent of that phrase would be 'WE Polish nation'

I thought it is the addition of "the" to "people" which makes it a "nation". So, if someone says: 'We Polish people' they would mean Polish people in general, but not necessarily referring to 'the Polish nation' as an entity. If they want to talk specifically of the Polish nation as an entity, they would say 'We the Polish people'.

Could any of the native speakers of English confirm that? Isn't: 'We the People' the Preamble to the US Constitution where it has precisely this meaning of "the [American] nation"?
mafketis 16 | 6,322    
8 Sep 2018  #221
'We the People' the Preamble to the US Constitution where it has precisely this meaning of "the [American] nation"?

For me, the meaning is "We the citizens of this country", the Polish 'naród' doesn't really translate well to 'nation' since the most common meaning of that word in modern America is 'country' (so that "A German national" means a citizen of Germany not necessarily an ethnic German).

I think of Americans as a distinct socio-cultural and linguistic group that happens to be ethnically, racially and religiously heterogeneous.

So for me (American) "We the Polish people" would first and foremost would refer to citizens of Poland (including non-ethnic Poles) and wouldn't include ethnic Poles who aren't citizens...
NoToForeigners 6 | 986    
8 Sep 2018  #222
For me being a Pole means to be ETHNICALLY Polish. There are some wannebe-Poles on this Forum (like homo Jon or (bi)Atch). It's really hard to accept the real definition for americans where 90% of them are ethnically European.

Owning a Polish passport won't make you a Pole lol. Only idiots could think that.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,717    
8 Sep 2018  #223
I cant say that I have ever heard either Jon or Atch expressing a wish that they were Polish..
Why do you need to be so aggressive? Did you forget your meds?
NoToForeigners 6 | 986    
8 Sep 2018  #224
I do really remember Homo Jon claiming he's a Pole coz he owns passport... Or was that some other of his mentally ill friends suffering the homosexuality disease.
mafketis 16 | 6,322    
8 Sep 2018  #225
Jon claiming he's a Pole coz he owns passport.

Pole or Polish citizen? The two aren't normally distinguished in Polish... the way that Russian distinguishes between ethnic Russians and citizens of Russia (Chinese does something similar)
NoToForeigners 6 | 986    
8 Sep 2018  #226
A Pole. If he claimed he was just a citizen of Poland i wouldn't be loud about that., Leftard.
johnny reb 16 | 3,462    
8 Sep 2018  #227
"Napoleon complex" is a term describing a theoretical condition occurring in people of short stature.
It is characterized by overly-aggressive or domineering social behavior, and carries the implication that such behaviour is compensatory for the subject's stature.
How tall are you Snotty ?
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,237    
8 Sep 2018  #228
"Napoleon complex" is a term describing a theoretical condition occurring in people of short stature.

How short does a person have to be to qualify as a candidate for the complex?
delphiandomine 87 | 16,888    
8 Sep 2018  #229
"We the Polish people" would first and foremost would refer to citizens of Poland

I'd agree with that as well. I think though, that at least in Polish, the "naród" includes the diaspora, or at least in the minds of some people it does, but definitely not everyone. Then again, the Polish constitution says clearly " my, Naród Polski - wszyscy obywatele Rzeczypospolitej," - so that seems to clearly suggest that the nation is comprised of citizens of the Rzeczpospolita. It's also clear that Rzeczpospolita refers to the state (and not the nation), I think?

Ziemowit, Ironside, what do you say?

Still, the nice thing is knowing that poor Snotty's vote will be cancelled out by Jon. Maybe Jon could even register to vote in Zielona Góra just to make sure that Snotty's vote is nullified.
mafketis 16 | 6,322    
8 Sep 2018  #230
Snotty's vote will be cancelled out by Jon

You think snotty votes? He's some late teenage or early 20s failson (a demographic notorious in Poland for not actually voting and then wondering why politicians don't pay attention to them)

His English is too good (and modern) to be a surefire voter (average age in Poland... 70 something?)

Or he could be another dirk, not in Poland at all ....
Ironside 47 | 9,261    
8 Sep 2018  #231
I think though, that at least in Polish, the "naród" includes the diaspora, or at least in the minds of some people it does, but definitely not everyone.

Well, in Polish the 'naród/nation' includes everyone that self-identify as being Polish. Obviously some Chinese in China declaring it out of the blue and on a whim, wouldn't be recognized as such but any other person with some credible reason would. Look for example on dolnoslask I'm pretty sure he sounds foreign but also I'm sure he is accepted as Polish.

To a Polish person a concept of nation and nationhood has less to do with a formal/legal requirements. Much more to do with concept of an eternal, transcend even on some level, bravehood of the cultural and historical identity that shape and define Polish people for what they are. As this song/poem goes - 'we are the Polish people the Royal line of Piast'.

Of course to be recognized as Polish one need to be able to speak Polish at least some. Although is not always a must. Once need to have a good explanation though.

Now and then you have some kid like snotty come up with this notion of blood, ethnicity, DNA, passport or whatnot. In fact that notion of ethnicity was never prevalent or some time in the past stopped to be important. Either because it was taken for granted or because concept of a nation had been created by the Polish gentry/nobles that had been rather mixed ethnically.

Once of the prominent people who stared the national democracy movement with Roman Dmowski has written - To the Polish nation belong polonised* (*the acquisition of the Polish culture and language) Germans, Tatars, Armenians, Gypsies, Jews if they live to the common idea of Poland.

A Black or a red Indian can became Polish, if he will take as his own a spiritual heritage of the Polish nation (well ..maf people?), from its literature, art, policies, customs, and if he vows to unbendingly work for the common good and prosperity of the Polish people.

It's also clear that Rzeczpospolita refers to the state (and not the nation), I think?

Rzeczpospolita i.e. The Republic refers to the state. All people with a Polish passport are citizens of the Republic but not all citizens belong to the Polish nation. That what it means in Polish. If anyone tell you different Delph it means that either they're not Polish or they are lefties trying to conform to the general trend in the west or just to adjust meaning to be 100% PC.

"Napoleon complex" is a term describing a theoretical condition occurring in people of short stature.

Funny if you think about it. After all Napoleon contrary to the British propaganda - fake news - wasn't actually a person of short stature.
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,237    
8 Sep 2018  #232
Hey, Ironside, don't ever correct my spelling errors. I attempted to count yours in Post 165 above and lost the count in the middle of the second paragraph. If graded, that post would get you an F.
Ironside 47 | 9,261    
8 Sep 2018  #233
will I get a pass on account of my dyslexia?
johnny reb 16 | 3,462    
8 Sep 2018  #234
copy-paste=removed
Sound like anyone you know ?
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,237    
9 Sep 2018  #235
See a narcissist can be inordinately self righteous and defensive.

Narcissist - a person who has an excessive interest in or admiration of themselves.
FYI, your definition and the one I got from the Internet don't match. But whatever...

I am not self righteous. I am simply never wrong. This leads to arrogance. Humble is for losers. I am not defensive. Defensive people wait until attacked. Like Israel, I attack first, just as I did in my very first post in the Never Again thread.

I learned early on never to admit anything just as a lawyer would advise his client. Others will gladly to do it for me, so why should I aid and abet my enemies.

Oh, yeah, that "I am sorry". I am never sorry for what I do with premeditation. Only if I hurt somebody by accident. Here, I do everything with premeditation and don't give a s*** how anybody feels. I see such relationships as "throw away". Only the members of my family are not the throw away people. Every other single human being is.

Anything else? Did I explain who and what I am so we will not have to come back to this subject again?
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,237    
9 Sep 2018  #236
will I get a pass on account of my dyslexia?

For sloppy editing? No. Plus I don't care about your medical conditions any more than you care about mine. You are just an eight-letter word on my monitor. I, on the other hand, use my real name. For this I got nothing but s*** here, including an accusation of identity theft.
Ironside 47 | 9,261    
9 Sep 2018  #238
so that seems to clearly suggest that the nation is comprised of citizens of the Rzeczpospolita.

I will address you question shorty. Yesterday I indulged to much in my mussy ruminations. Meaning of the nation in Polish includes all people who identify and is identified as Polish and has little to do with passports or legalities.

For this I got nothing but s.

Bravo, it was supposed to be about me and you managed to twist it and it is all about you now. enjoy playing with yourself I'm out.
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,237    
9 Sep 2018  #239
enjoy playing with yourself

...rather than with you? Easy choice.
Ironside 47 | 9,261    
9 Sep 2018  #240
you see, you cannot stop yourself it is again about you, you selfish prick.



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