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Merkel's stepping down influence on Poland


Lyzko 20 | 6,346
31 Oct 2018  #1
Just curious as to people's reactions to Angela Merkel's decision to step down from her party and what might be the effect on Poland, much less the rest of Europe, including, of course, Germany.
mafketis 20 | 7,053
31 Oct 2018  #2
As mentioned previously the Chancellor doesn't normally do that much as Germany is set up for rule by courts and functionaries. Merkel was probably more sympathetic to Poland than her immediate predecessors (or likely successors) but again... there won't be much practical difference.

And again, no one can be the effective (executive) head of state for over ten years (give or take two years) without losing contact with the daily reality of the country so it's good she's moving aside. Being the CEO of a country for over 10 years should be a mark of shame and a confession to banana republic tendencies.....
Tacitus 2 | 822
31 Oct 2018  #3
Or testimony to a pretty impressive politician.
mafketis 20 | 7,053
31 Oct 2018  #4
An impressive politician knows to groom successors and not search out a leader for life gig, but your devotion to Vova Putain is very cute, you're like a little puppy dog wagging his fuzzy little tale.
Tacitus 2 | 822
31 Oct 2018  #5
Not exactly her fault when most of her possible successors commit political suicide one way or another.

Frankly I'd be more concerned about Poland than Germany. The fact that the most powerful person holds no elected office and made the PM and President his puppets raise a lot of red flags.
OP Lyzko 20 | 6,346
31 Oct 2018  #6
Many though within the EU, not only in Germany of course, are expressing serious concern about the lack of Merkel's presence (if not leadership) within her party after 2021!
delphiandomine 83 | 17,596
31 Oct 2018  #7
Merkel was probably more sympathetic to Poland than her immediate predecessors (or likely successors) but again... there won't be much practical difference.

It depends though. If Merkel goes and an election follows - if my counting is right, then an Green-SPD-Linke coalition (led by the Greens!) could actually win power. The CSU are facing a real challenge from the Greens, the CDU is also losing ground to the Greens in Western Germany and the FDP would have nothing to gain unless they could rule alone with the Union, and that's not likely based on current opinion polling.

It's also the CDU that have been sympathetic towards Poland in modern history - I'm not convinced that a Green-led government would be the same.
OP Lyzko 20 | 6,346
31 Oct 2018  #8
The far right though must be monitored, above all, contained! This is no laughing matter and they aren't merely a fringy, off-beat group any longer.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,683
1 Nov 2018  #9
if my counting is right, then an Green-SPD-Linke coalition (

There is no majority for that....the Greens are stealing the voters from the former SPD...that means there isn't a growing but an exchange of voters.

Especially as the Green party is no longer considered "left". She could become the next bourgeois party for the better off, educated, towns people. They are mainly liberal but less social oriented. That would make for a big and influential but not a future people's party of the kind of the sinking SPD.

Additionally to that are the Greens a "western" party. Their support in the East is rarely more than in the one-digit scope.
There the AfD is kicking out the Greens and the "Linke"...

That all means it doesn't look good for a future left chancellor coalition.
Rich Mazur 4 | 2,909
1 Nov 2018  #10
The far right though must be monitored, above all, contained!

But the far-left should not be monitored and contained?
Why is that bird with only one wing?
What does "contain" mean? North Korean camps or the Soviet-style gulags?
delphiandomine 83 | 17,596
1 Nov 2018  #11
There is no majority for that....the Greens are stealing the voters from the former SPD...that means there isn't a growing but an exchange of voters.

Aren't they also stealing votes from the Union though? I'm sure I've read an article recently about the last election in Bavaria showing how voters were moving to them from the CSU because they were disgusted with the rhetoric used by the CSU.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,683
1 Nov 2018  #12
Aren't they also stealing votes from the Union though?

Yes, that too...the AfD steals votes from the CDU too...and the "Freien Wähler".

But the Bavaria election has shown that the "middle left" side has not grown, as some commenters at first cheered. Both camps have stayed largely the same...there was no "left revolution", only a much thicker Green and a more starved SPD party.

I found interesting that the Green party grew not only in votes, but also in members. But as studies have shown most of them are rather not left leaning, that will all change the party more to a center oriented one.

What that does do to the "Fundi's" in the party, I don't know...
OP Lyzko 20 | 6,346
1 Nov 2018  #13
Rich,

Merkel's only "crime", according to her opposition, was trying desperately to undo the wrongs committed by her ancestors during the Third Reich, by making modern-day Germany THE bulwark in Europe against right-leaning faschist sorts, bent on threatening to return her country to the days before WWII.

Since 1945, the German Grundgesetz has remained that anchor which continues to keep Germany, now re-united, centered amid the wash of faschist-type regimes spilling across a frustrated post-Wall landscape.

Merkel's FRG she saw and sees as the US of the Continent, as policeman of the EU, intent on not letting things get out of hand.

Can't fault her for trying. It's sure a messy job, but somebody's got to do to:-)
TheOther 5 | 3,643
1 Nov 2018  #14
Especially as the Green party is no longer considered "left".

Well, that's a stretch. Most of their members are still tree hugging do-gooders who are so far removed from reality that it hurts. Remember the dude in Stuttgart (I believe) who wanted to close down the car factories and manufacture bicycles instead? The Greens are still promoting the idea to let even more migrants into the country. I believe they are nuts. Not as much as the Linke, though. Speaking of: has Lafontaine ever paid back the money he owes the German taxpayer for visiting the brothel in Saarbrücken with his buddies? :)
OP Lyzko 20 | 6,346
1 Nov 2018  #15
Do you include in your epithet of "tree-hugging do-gooders" those who wish to protect the environment as compared with tree-bashing, do-baders such as Trump who only just now has decided perhaps to reconsider climate change aka global warming?
Miloslaw 6 | 1,815
1 Nov 2018  #16
I don't fully buy the global warming theory,and that's all it is,but I buy even less into the idea that we can turn it around when China and India continue as they do.
Rich Mazur 4 | 2,909
1 Nov 2018  #17
climate change aka global warming

"Climate change" is a term the global warming liars retreated to after the fakeness of their data and their PC models were exposed. Be using the climate change, the liars were assured of a verbal victory as climate changes ALWAYS and there is not a single person to deny THAT.

Did you know that the climate in Palatine, USA, has changed by .00000000001 degrees since yesterday? Scary, isn't it? We should immediately deport all the illegals from Palatine and restore climate to its normal level.

How did we move from Merkel to global warming?
OP Lyzko 20 | 6,346
1 Nov 2018  #18
Well, Milo, Trump doesn't believe in science either, and so you're in good company.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,683
2 Nov 2018  #19
Most of their members are still tree hugging do-gooders who are so far removed from reality that it hurts.

The "Fundis"....but mark my words...they are a lost cause. Especially the new Green leader Habeck knows that. The Realos are not only winning the power struggle inside the Green party, they are also growing. And they want to rule so badly! They can't do that with these Fundis..
OP Lyzko 20 | 6,346
2 Nov 2018  #20
Don't forget about the "Gruftis" or the "Compostis" either. Nobody should feel left outLOL

The fact is, Merkel is simply the spokesperson for the CSU. Who'll speak on its behalf once she's history in several years or so, is the big, indeed the game changing, question.


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