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Does Gavrilo Princip deserve monument in Poland?


OP Crow 148 | 9,284
12 Apr 2020 #61
I still thinks that Gavrilo deserved monument in Poland. Not only that his action directly led to independence of Poland but he saved Poles from assimilation.
jon357 67 | 16,655
12 Apr 2020 #62
directly

No it didn't.

Gavrilo deserved monument in Poland

No he doesn't.

he saved Poles from assimilation.

So what.
Ironside 50 | 11,122
12 Apr 2020 #63
hahaha

exactly, you need to resort to some stupid laugh.( ten sie smieje kto sie smieje ostatni.)

stab themselves on our penises.

You talk much about stabbing and penises are you a pervert ?

Not only that his action directly led to independence of Poland

Nah, that is incorrect. Bidese he did what he did for his own reson and definatly with an independed Poland in mind. With your 'logic' Poland should put moemenunt to Franc-joseph for invading some insignificnt Balkan statlets and thus sending in motion a set of domio pieces in Europe.
OP Crow 148 | 9,284
12 Apr 2020 #64
So what.

So they are Poles and all those other numerous Slavs that live in Poland. It is important.

We Serbs, supported by ultra right Polish patriots and Russians, ruined plan of Rome and Germanics (read- rich families of magnates) who had mutual deal to destroy Poles and other Slavs in Poland and Eastern Europe. It is simple truth never said publicly in schools of Poland. When it is said, Poland shall truly be independent, ready to embrace truth no matter what truth is.

As punishment, during WWI and WWII, was by Vatican organized most bestial genocide on Serbs, committed by most loyal Vatican`s subjects (in alliance with Islamic league, circles within Britain and France) within Germany, Italy, Croatia and Hungary. Hungary see to redeem itself, stabilizing itself between Poland and Serbia and move out from orbit of players that follow plan of Serbian destruction. But those who insist to pursue that plan shall learn that to be their own undoing.

With your 'logic' Poland should put moemenunt to Franc-joseph

But what motivated Gavrilo and what motivated Franc?

Motivation and consequences are that what secured right of Gavrilo to have monument in Poland.
OP Crow 148 | 9,284
12 Apr 2020 #65
and yes

You talk much about stabbing and penises are you a pervert ?

Very well. I apologize. Please, don`t stab yourself.
Ironside 50 | 11,122
12 Apr 2020 #66
But what motivated Gavrilo

stupidity?
OP Crow 148 | 9,284
12 Apr 2020 #67
No, that is what western Europeans think of Poles. Go ask them. Gavrilo proved them all to be wrong. Gavrilo was his name. Not some Franc. Because of Gavrilo you now have Poland, Polonia and Polishforums.
Ironside 50 | 11,122
12 Apr 2020 #68
Because of Gavrilo you now have Poland, Polonia and Polishforums.

don't be absurd.
OP Crow 148 | 9,284
12 Apr 2020 #69
Just think and you will conclude obvious thing. Poland and Poles were predestined for extinction. Then happened Gavrilo and complete Germanic enterprise was toppled.
Ironside 50 | 11,122
12 Apr 2020 #70
. Poland and Poles were predestined for extinction

Dude. I know what you wanted to say here but you used an ill fitting word in here, just study some more English will you..
jon357 67 | 16,655
12 Apr 2020 #71
We Serbs, supported by ultra right Polish patriots and Russians, ruined plan of

No they didn't.

It.is.simple truth never said publicly in schools.of.Poland

Tripe.
OP Crow 148 | 9,284
12 Apr 2020 #72
No they didn't.

Adam Mizkiewish, Czartorisky, etc. They knew that will Serbs hit hard and they were ready when that came. They coordinated with Serbs. Czartorisky was even sure that will Russians act on the side of Serbs and with it, finally do something good for Poland, too.
mafketis 25 | 9,316
12 Apr 2020 #73
Serbs

Zamknij się bezwstydniku!
NoToForeigners 10 | 1,032
12 Apr 2020 #74
@mafketis
Seriously. Are You retarded maf? That would explain a lot.
jon357 67 | 16,655
12 Apr 2020 #75
Czartorisky

Long before yesterday, and irrelevant to today's Europe. It didn't exactly go well for them back then, either...
OP Crow 148 | 9,284
13 Apr 2020 #76
Zamknij się bezwstydniku!

In Serbian that would be `Umukni bestidniče or besramniče!`. When you look at words better you see obvious similarity. Its all around `muk` and `stid`. See? One and same people. Do you now realize why was independence of Poland realized and moved by Serbs and not for example from Italian, Greek, Turk, French, Arab, Brit or Austrian? Yes, we Serbs had and have interest Poland and Poles to exist. Others don`t give a sh**.

So, stid na tebe. Shame on you because you don`t have monument to Gavrilo! What you wait? Afraid not to insult Pope, Austria, Germany? Actually, go apologize to them because they wanted and want to exterminate and assimilate Poles. Yes, they reduced you little bit but but it could be worse, isn`t it.

Stid na tebe!

Man, don`t you have backbone??? Are you even aware what Rome done to your ancestors? In last 2500 years. To all our ancestors? How did put them on sword? Do you know that? And Greeks aren`t better. They are all the same when comes to our ancestors and us. Don`t delude yourself. Italians and Greek and all western Europeans have same passion in hate on us Slavs. What does it matter if you are Catholic. For them you are a stinking Pole. Face it. They only manipulate religion to divide and confuse us Slavs but we Serbs don`t buy that. And that annoy THEM and fear THEM.

Long before yesterday, and irrelevant to today's Europe. It didn't exactly go well for them back then, either...

History always repeats itself. So, I think we Serbs now take measures not to be victims anymore.
jon357 67 | 16,655
13 Apr 2020 #77
History always repeats itself.

Yes. Serbia always gets pwned.
Torq
13 Apr 2020 #78
bestidniče - stid / bezwstydnik - wstyd
besramniče - срамота

Is there a difference in Serbian between sramota and stid? For example one is a stronger feeling?

In Polish we have a word sromota, but it's a bit outdated and means something like disgrace (niesława).

A question to other Polish members - do you also find Serbian to be very strongly related to Polish? For me personally it is closer to Polish even than Czech (even though Czech is a Western Slavic language like Polish, and Serbian is a Southern Slavic tongue); it's strange but somehow I understand Serbian more easily than Czech.
OP Crow 148 | 9,284
13 Apr 2020 #79
When I think, words have same meaning and are both in equal use. Just you would use one or other depending how it sound in the sentence, how melodic is the sentence.

it is closer to Polish even than Czech (even though Czech is a Western Slavic language like Polish, and Serbian is a Southern Slavic

Its logical. Both Polish and Czech separated from same backbone, on Balkan-Baltic Danubian line. Free yourself of thinking Western, Eastern or Southern Slavic. Focus yourself on how close are existing languages (even dialects) of backbone. Kashubian Serbian, Lusatian Serbian, Balkan Serbian. When we meet each others and talk, we are astonished and fascinated.

Just close your eyes and travel in deep past. But don`t do it too often. It may be too sad.

See? No wonder that backbone had to be broken. We were just too powerful. Romans used their chance.
mafketis 25 | 9,316
13 Apr 2020 #80
do you also find Serbian to be very strongly related to Polish?

A Polish colleague said he thought Croatian was closer to Polish than even Slovak. I didn't have that reaction but after three or so days in Zagreb started understanding a lot more TV than in Slovenia... (in Slovakia there was the problem of Czech tv channels clouding the signal, it wasn't always obvious to me which was which).

Certainly Croatian with infinitives is closer syntactically than Serbian with it's conjunctitve forms, compare (via google translate)

srb
želim da odem tamo, lit I want that I go there

hrv
želim ići tamo, lit I want to go there
Torq
13 Apr 2020 #81
@Crow

Thanks for the explanation. It makes sense to me as it correlates with my experience with various Slavic languages.

@mafketis

I didn't really spend too much time analysing the similarities, it's all intuitive, but I have exactly the same feeling as you regarding the immersion in the language: Serbian/Croatian is easier and more natural to me than Czech/Slovak.
OP Crow 148 | 9,284
13 Apr 2020 #82
srb
želim da odem tamo, lit I want that I go there

hrv
želim ići tamo, lit I want to go there

Its both Serbian. Somebody wants to create two languages and two peoples out of one language and one people. Its the matter of politics.

You can`t imagine what level of injustice we Serbs suffer. Somebody wants prolonged conflict, not solution.

But beware. Don`t interfere Poland in it, if you can`t affect it properly. Its internal Serbian thing. When things escalate, you can`t even imagine how things can develop. If pushed too hard by Poland, Serbs of Serbia (Balkan, CE) may turn to Serbs within Poland. Only to them. You think Poland as state can endure such an antagonism?
mafketis 25 | 9,316
13 Apr 2020 #83
Its both Serbian

You don't get to decide that, Croats do. They don't want to be Serbian and you can't force them however much you might want to....

two peoples out of one language and one people. Its the matter of politics

and catastrophic Serbian bungling in the late 1980s.....

beware. Don`t interfere Poland in it

I'm sure Poles want to stay far away from balkan hatred and greed.... but stop trying to involve Serbia in Polish-Russian relations.... they're not going to be friends and they're not going to help Serbia exterminate the Kosovar Albanians... give up that horrible dream already.
OP Crow 148 | 9,284
13 Apr 2020 #84
Croats do. They don't want to be Serbian and you can't force them however much you might want to....

You don`t know what people want. State of Croatia is created by force, not democratically. Plus, Serbs were constitutional people of the region. It was violated and ignored by force. State of Croatia is insult to both, Catholic and Orthodox Serbs.

and catastrophic Serbian bungling in the late 1980s.....

Nothing what we say here won`t change fact that Vatican created Croatia out from the blood of Serbs and Serbs (Catholic and Orthodox) who live in what is now Croatia still suffer.
Torq
13 Apr 2020 #85
Serbs of Serbia (Balkan, CE) may turn to Serbs within Poland.

Another saying we have in Poland: nie strasz, nie strasz, bo się zesrasz. ;)

You think Poland as state can endure such an antagonism?

Poland endured more than most countries in the world, and emerged a victorious, strong country. So, to answer your question - yes, I think we can endure a little bit of Serbian meddling. :) Luckily, Serbia is a friendly country and they wouldn't want to mess with Poland (what for?).
mafketis 25 | 9,316
13 Apr 2020 #86
Well (relatively) sane Serbs don't want to mess with Poland, but crow's dream is for Poland and Russia to mend fences and join Serbia in a final solution to the Kosovo issue (eliminating all Albanians from the area). People who humor him are just enabling his g3noc|dal dreams...
OP Crow 148 | 9,284
13 Apr 2020 #87
but stop trying to involve Serbia in Polish-Russian relations....

You are on a tin line here. Serbian interference in Polish-Russian relation will continue. Its not your internal question. Its the matter of whole Slavic balance.

I'm sure Poles want to stay far away from balkan hatred and greed....

No greed, no hatred, out of it that Vatican created and still serve. Face that and stop meddling if you can`t help, if you aren`t ready to reprimand Pope himself, on the first place.

Serbo-Croatian thing is internal Serbian thing. Have that in mind. Its not question of Catholics being molested by Orthodox or pagans. Its the matter of Vatican`t invasion on Serbs, both, Catholic and Orthodox.

Poland endured more than most countries in the world, and emerged a victorious, strong country.

Because Serbs within Poland and outside of Poland were and are content. But if Poland as state continue to work against Serbs and Serbia, things may change. All of a sudden, several states can be crated in what is now Poland, same what was done to Serbia and Yugoslavia.

But look at us what we talk about? How we came to this? Because Vatican wanted so.
This is how Croatia was created. As project of Vatican.

video >>>

Sons of Herod (genocide in independent state of Croatia WWII)

youtu.be/5r1JNnFjgag

Even so, you can read about Catholic Serbs in Catholic online Encyclopedia. Pope Francis doing a lot to heal the rift. In Croatia is absolute silence and negation of Catholic Serbs ever existed and exist, while are Orthodox Serbs seen only as object of conversion into Catholicism. As a nation, Croatian nation is in process of formation from Serbian people.
Torq
13 Apr 2020 #88
several states can be crated in what is now Poland

Like what? Kashubia? Kashubs are about 9% of Pomeranian Vojvodship population. Good luck with that!
Like what? Silesia? Silesians are 4% of Upper-Silesian Vojvodship and even fewer in Lower-Silesian. Good luck with that!

Even assuming that all Silesians and Kashubs suddenly stopped identifying themselves as Poles (and most of them do) - it's still only 4% and 9% in their respective regions, and a tiny fraction of Polish population. This is another bit of nonsense that you keep repeating, and it makes you look silly.

Poland is ethnically almost completely homogeneous country: in the last census, out of 38,5 million citizens of Poland only 1% declared that they belong to a national minority.

Good luck trying to break up Poland, in which there is 99% of ethnic Poles. :)

Poland is impossible to break - no other country in Europe as homogenous and indivisible.
OP Crow 148 | 9,284
13 Apr 2020 #89
It won`t come to that rift. We are all responsible. We are all Slavs. We are all firstly Christians. We are all sane. We all value truth.

%

Populace of what is now Croatia is almost 100% Serbs. Vatican moved finger (and all what goes with it) and now there less then 5% say they are Serbs. But, give a democratic process, give truth to people, stop oppression on people,... and % change over night.

This is how things function everywhere. Just depend what is wanted.


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