What's your connection with Poland? Penpals.

Bollox.

If it was the case, Poles would be the wisest nation in the known universe. All the invasions, partitions, uprising, emigration waves, genocides, border shifts and so on; first Sanacja and their idiotic generals (Zwarci! Silni! Gotowi!), then the nazis, then the commies... and what do we get for all that in 2023? Kaczyński on one side and Tusk on the other.

Wisdom gained by pain my arse. :-/

But I forgive you your naivety because you're young like chives in spring. *rolls eyes*

Hahaha! You are the average age of my friend circle. I noticed that after 30, age stopped mattering very much in my friend selection protocol. Of course, my girlfriend would say this is because I am as boring as rock.


Are you not Catholic?

You're anything but boring.


... a weak one. Miserere mei Domine quoniam infirmus sum, and all that. :-/

Sana me Domine et sanibor!

@Alien,
'Scuse me, but Jews unfortunately all too often rationalized their suffering. Poles aka gentiles surely suffered as much, if for different reasons! Either way, wallowing in self-pity ain't my thing, never was, never will be.

I would like to be called Poles and not genitals....

Hope the latter was a typo, sir!

By no means, it was just my first association, sir.

I thought you were a Germ ?

I became German shortly after arriving, but I never stopped being Polish.

How old were you when you arrived and became an ex-pat to Germany ?

Rubbish anyone who supports Tusk hates Poland and is all in on deutchland uber alles

@amiga500, you must be intellectually impaired if you honestly believe that :)))

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Tusk evokes positive emotions that, for example, Mr. Kaczyński does not.

Of course he does, because you are german gutmenschen culture now! i don't blame you i am australian culture. But we're talking about Poland. no migrants, no abortion (per the study that was done by lefties/tokfm.) not to mention tusks insatiable lust for power, ever wonder why kwasniewski wasin't invited into the EU elite after his presidency? because he supported the orange revolution in ukraine in 2004. Tusk saw that and his rule depended on following the whims of germany!

[I think that if I lived in Poland, I would also support him, or at least his pro-European line. Living in Australia, you lost contact with Poland even more than I did. quote=amiga500]because you are german gutmenschen culture now![/quote]

tell me you know nothing about modern Poland without telling me you know nothing of modern Poland....

my work has me around young Polish people all the time and none of them can stand PiS....

Wait until they start paying taxes and their tune will change.

Why ? I pay taxes and PiS put them up by a huge amount since 2022 to pay for handouts and kielbasa. They took an OK tax system and made it very punitive for hard workers and successful businesses

Indeed.

It has helped to keep a lid on inflation though, which could be a lot worse than it is now.


I've always liked him; one of the better figures in Polish political life. A huge problem is that there are so few decent ones now. Tusk has his pluses and minuses, PiS have done or three two good things in their time in office and some damage too, and there's no unified opposition, despite the term 'total opposition' being bandied around by PiS.

He's a post-communist. What do you value him for?

Isn't everyone of his generation? Isn't Poland?

Kaczynski was very much of that time too and is frankly far more of a post-communist than Mr Tusk or most other figures in political life.

Unlike Tusk, Kaczyński speaks no foreign languages (that I know of) and has never spent a significant time outside of Poland and his whole frame of reference was built by the PRL (which is why so much of PiS 'reforms' end up copying/re-creating PRL type structures).

@mafketis
What percentage of American leaders are fluent in at least one foreign language? Spanish isn't foreign in the USA.

@Iron
Even if we accept your statement as correct it still makes them bilingual. Kaczyński is not.

I'd hope that most of them are since all except trumpet and bush 2 are well educated.

@Lenka
Is not his job to be.

No, it is not. But if you add that he never lived abroad , doesn't seem to even go on holiday to different countries etc. It may give him very closed perspective.

And knowing foreign languageswas always a big part of being properly educated in Poland.

And pretty well everywhere though (I did two at a rough 80s comp in England). I've never never understood why so many Yanks are monolingual.


People criticised Marek Bella for that however he was good at his job. With Jaro, he talks about vision for the future but as you say has a very limited perspective. I suspect he gets off on being a big fish in a small pond.

@Lenka
He might know russian or Latin, I don't know. I am,pointing out that in Poland ability to speak foreign language is strengly obsessed over. Particularly when we talk about politicians.

I would say that is another way of dissing these politicians one doesn't like in seemingly objective and cultural way ,even if it anything but..