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What should Poland do in case of war between Turkey and Russia?


Crow 137 | 7,594
24 Nov 2015  #1
Question is relevant because Poland share NATO membership with Turkey and also, having in mind current crisis in Russian-Turkish relations.

So, what should Poland do or if you wish, what should be stance of Poland?
Levi 12 | 450
24 Nov 2015  #2
That is a very good thread Crow.

I think that Nato should IMMEDIATELLY kick out Turkey from the Alliance. And Poland should support this decision.

All of us already know that Turkey currently is dominated by a Radical Islamist government, in the person of Erdogan (Who said that "There is no radical Islam, but ONLY Islam".).

All of us already know the problems that Poland had with Russia. And the aggression of Putin against Crimea.

BUT regarding Middle East, there is only one guy doing the right thing this moment, and this leader is Putin. Differently than US or France, he is really attacking the terrorists and causing them harm. And now the terrorists asked for help of their main financial ally, Turkey (Together with Saudi Arabia and Qatar).

So at THIS specific case, Poland should and MUST support Russia, against the project of Global Caliphate of Turkey/Saudi Arabia
Harry
24 Nov 2015  #3
What should Poland do in case of war between Turkey and Russia ?

Poland is a loyal member of NATO and (usually) does the right thing, as shown by Poland's desire to take part in the NATO mission protecting the independent nation of Kosovo. When doing what NATO membership involved and what is the right thing to do also gives Poland the chance to get up Russia's nose, well, that's a bonus as far as the vast majority of Poles are concerned.
dolnoslask
24 Nov 2015  #4
I am sure that NATO will be more than happy to have an altercation with Russia as long as all the destruction and damage remains within Poland's borders.
whocares
24 Nov 2015  #5
Turkey can go to hell.
I pick Slavs over savage Muslim.
Levi 12 | 450
24 Nov 2015  #6
I Sign to that whocares.

While the past of Russia against Poland is condenmnable, today Turkey is the biggest threath, by far.

Specially with his leader Erdogan and his plans to build a global Caliphate.

well, that's a bonus as far as the vast majority of Poles are concerned.

Again, as everytime on this forum, you show that your wishful thinking of a Poland full of Polish supportive of Turks and Muslims and general shows how disconnect from reality you are.

(Just like pretty much every post of you is disconnect from reality, like when you strongly affirmed that PO would win the elections...)
delphiandomine 83 | 17,626
24 Nov 2015  #7
Specially with his leader Erdogan and his plans to build a global Caliphate.

So why are you working in a Muslim country if you're so scared of such plans?

More to the point, when has Erdogan been anything other than a Turkish version of Orban?

Poland should and MUST support Russia

Bwahahahha. :D
Levi 12 | 450
24 Nov 2015  #8
So why are you working in a Muslim country if you're so scared of such plans?

For the same reason that you, a Turkish Muslim that hate Poland, hate Poles, despise polish culture, beliefs and everything related, is living in Poland.

More to the point, when has Erdogan been anything other than a Turkish version of Orban?

When Orban talked about complete extermination of an entire race like Erdogan talked about exterminate Armenian Christians?
OP Crow 137 | 7,594
24 Nov 2015  #9
when has Erdogan been anything other than a Turkish version of Orban?

you can`t compare Orban to Erdogan. Orban is politician that found that is in best interest of his country to have good relations equally with west of Europe, USA and Russia. Also, Orban, generally speaking (and, publicly, at least), makes an effort that Hungary have good relations with its neighbors. On the other side, what doing Erdogan? He is radical politician. Extremist. His politics endangering neighbors of Turkey- Bulgaria, Syria, Greece, Iraq, Russia, ... Also, having in mind Turkish publicly promotion of neo-Ottoman policy, Turkey is problem to entire region and world. Turkey, together with Saudi Arabia, was (is) deeply involved in destruction of Yugoslavia and partition of Serbia. Turkey is threat to Israel, to Iran, to China. Not to mention that is Turkey state founded on genocide, that even today harbors its existence from genocide on Kurds and as we all see on Syrians. Actually, Turkey-ISIS brotherhood qualify Turkey as global terrorist country, threat to global peace, with potential to commit global genocide.

Turkey can go to hell.

its actually well on that way

I pick Slavs over savage Muslim.

me, too. Always. But, Russian-Turkish conflict isn`t that. Its not conflict between Slavs and Muslim world. Turks don`t have mandate of all Muslim countries to do that what doing right now- represent global threat and terrorize world.

While the past of Russia against Poland is condenmnable, today Turkey is the biggest threath, by far.

i agree with this statement.

So at THIS specific case, Poland should and MUST support Russia, against the project of Global Caliphate of Turkey/Saudi Arabia

It would be enough that Poland follow example of Serbia- to declare its neutrality on global military alliances and, then to pledge with Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia and Serbia to rebuild Commonwealth around Poland (ie Intermarium).

Poland is a loyal member of NATO and (usually) does the right thing, as shown by Poland's desire to take part in the NATO mission protecting the independent nation of Kosovo.

i don`t know Harry are you absent, just confused or moron but, Polish soldiers on Kosovo have blessings from Serbia and even from Serbian Orthodox Church considering that they proved to be good and efficient protection of remaining local Serbs and Serbian holly places on Kosovo, from violence of local Albanians.

You are totally lost Harry, if you think that would Poles move against their loyal Racowie (Serbians) in order to contribute to Greater Albanian plans. Just wait and see what happening if comes to conflict.

That is a very good thread Crow.

sure it is. i distinguished myself to give valuable contribution to this excellent forum of free. This forum is as voice of another wave of Sarmatism in Poland. Cultural revolution and extraordinary virtual expirium.

News in connection to the topic >>>

Russian Su-24 fighter jet shot down over Syria - Russian MoD (VIDEO)

"During the flight, the aircraft was flying within the borders of Syria, which was registered by objective monitoring data," the ministry said, adding that the aircraft was "supposedly shot down from the ground."

Footage has emerged online, allegedly showing Russian pilots from the downed jet immobile on the ground and surrounded by locals. Some reports claim that one pilot is dead.

Putin: Downing of Russian jet over Syria stab in the back by terrorist accomplices

rt/news/323262-putin-downing-plane-syria/

Turkey backstabbed Russia by downing the Russian warplane and acted as accomplices of the terrorists, Russian President Vladimir Putin said.

"This incident stands out against the usual fight against terrorism. Our troops are fighting heroically against terrorists, risking their lives. But the loss we suffered today came from a stab in the back delivered by accomplices of the terrorists," Putin said.

Russian warplane shot down at Syria-Turkey border

rt/news/323240-russia-turkey-warplane-downed/

"The Russian Defense Ministry immediately summoned the military attaché of the Turkish Republic and issued a formal protest concerning the actions of the Turkish air forces," the ministry's press service said.

Russia regards the actions of the Turkish air forces as an "unfriendly act," the ministry adds.

The Russian warplane did not cross the Turkish border and targeted objects solely on Syrian territory, striking terrorist groups, the Ministry of Defense says, adding that its attempts to contact the Turkish side via emergency communication channels have failed.

Russian Su-24 pilots shot dead while parachuting over Syria - Turkmen militia (VIDEO)

As the two Russian pilots descended by parachute after the Su-24 jet was downed, both were shot dead by Turkmen forces, Reuters reports citing a deputy commander of a Turkmen brigade in Syria.

ufo973 10 | 89
24 Nov 2015  #10
I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT IN CASE OF ANY WAR....POLAND IS THE FIRST COUNTRY TO GET DEMOLISHED.
After all this is why all these eastern countries were given membership in 2004 :d

Source: History
OP Crow 137 | 7,594
24 Nov 2015  #11
AND I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT IN CASE OF ANY WAR POLAND WON`T BE DEMOLISHED

Source: Serbians, who bringing balance in Slavic world and Europe
rock - | 460
25 Nov 2015  #12
Just 45 days ago;

aljazeera.com/news/2015/10/turkey-warns-russia-airspace-violation-151005110905695.html

The right question is why Russian jets violate Turkish air space knowing its consequences ?
Dougpol1 30 | 2,941
25 Nov 2015  #13
Exactly Rock. Because they are trying to gain some leverage because of the Sinai crash, that's what. Trying to show their might. It's a Russian disease.

I wish I was in Ankara tonight - I would be buying the drinks. Well done to the Turks - it's a clear case of breach of sovereignty and the Russians were trying it on and they got burnt. Turkey is a member of NATO, and even they weren't , they are well within their rights.

A total non-story.
nothanks - | 640
25 Nov 2015  #14
Turkey, USA, and Saudi Arabia are going to drag their feet with this Middle East crisis
Velund 1 | 391
25 Nov 2015  #15
Some preliminary aftermath, to current time, compiled from various sources... Only what happened already...

SU-24 bomber is shot in a Syrian airspace by Turkish fighter. One pilot killed in air during parachuting by Turkmen militia, other (wounded) is rescued by Syrian army.

Search and rescue helicopter was shot by TOW missile by islamist militants and crash landed. One member of SAR team killed.
Russian MOD declared that all further missions will be flown with fighters escort. "Moskva" cruiser (equipped with S300-like system) will be stationed near shore of Latakia, ordered to destroy any target that may present threat to russian jets.

Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs issued recomendation to citizens of Russia to avoid entering territory of Turkey.
Major travel agencies in Russia stopped offering of any tours to turkish resorts.
OP Crow 137 | 7,594
25 Nov 2015  #16
Think deeper of it. This all means that would all sane people, Poles included, forget Turkey as touristic destination. Economy of Turkey didn`t need this development of situation.

i think that all Turkish income gained in business with ISIS becoming meaningless now. While USA and western Europe tolerated Turkish pro-terrorist politics for its own interests, Russia obviously won`t tolerate.

Lavrov cancels Turkey visit over downing of Russian military jet

Published time: 24 Nov, 2015 14:58
rt/news/323284-lavrov-cancels-visit-turkey/

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has canceled his visit to Istanbul, due on Wednesday, after a Russian Su-24 jet was downed over Syria by a Turkish F-16 fighter. ................................ The minister also pointed out the increasing level of the terror threat in Turkey, which is "not lower than in Egypt." Lavrov said the ministry recommends Russians to refrain from visiting Turkey.

"It's necessary to emphasize that the terror threats with their roots in Turkey have been aggravated. And that's true even if we don't take into account what happened today," Lavrov said. "We estimate the threats to be no less than in Egypt."

"So because of that we, of course, do not recommend our citizens to visit the Turkish Republic for tourism or any other purposes at this moment," he added.

Velund 1 | 391
25 Nov 2015  #17
i think that all Turkish income gained in business with ISIS becoming meaningless now.

BTW, there was some (unconfirmed?) information, that Necmeddin Bilal Erdogan (a son of...) is a beneficiary of one of major companies that make a huge profits reselling oil from IS-controlled areas, and, probably, a owner of some of 1000+ oil transporting trucks, that was destroyed last weeks by russian strikes.

Looks like pretty good idea, to use NATO to save (more than) questionable family business...
Rafal - | 25
25 Nov 2015  #18
Since the end of 18th century there is no polish-turkish border. There is no our business. In the case of west-east conflict I will be fighting on the west side against muslims allied with ...americans , brittains, french and germans.
Polsyr 6 | 769
25 Nov 2015  #19
I think that Nato should IMMEDIATELLY kick out Turkey from the Alliance. And Poland should support this decision.

Not possible. Turkey is a founding member of NATO, unlike Poland.
pweeg3
25 Nov 2015  #20
I guess Russian is learning the hard way, they are too weak to mess with NATO.

Now lets start shooting down any more Russian aircraft that violate NATO. The Baltics and the UK have all suffered worse violations than Turkey.
G (undercover)
25 Nov 2015  #21
war between Turkey and Russia

I doubt It will come to that. Both Putin and Erdogan are small dicked gays pretending that they have it large.

Russians will stop spending holidays in Turkey, likely KGB will also arrest several Turks claiming they were spying and that will be the way to save the face for Putin. That's it, I doubt anything bigger will happen. Turkey has a huge army, they are no Georgia, so Russians can't attack them just like that, on the other hand US/NATO will warn Turks against further "incidents".

And If anything big really happens... It's not that Poland is obliged to attack Kaliningrad or somethin... What many people don't understand, being a NATO member means that you have to help others but it doesn't say how, so even If let's say Poland was attacked by Russia, most would "help" sending ammunition, medical staff, some intel etc. Besides, this situation (if gets out of control) will not be an aggression on a weak victim but two powers clashing over control of tertiary territory, not really a NATO thing.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
25 Nov 2015  #22
"What should Poland do in case of war between Turkey and Russia ?"
definitely help Russia to deal with vile ,treacherous state like Turkey.hope Russia pay back for the murder of this pilot and downing this bomber.unprovoked act of war that was.but Putin is too soft with age.shame.it great opportunity to fry terrorist state like Turkey.
Harry
25 Nov 2015  #23
Major travel agencies in Russia stopped offering of any tours to turkish resorts.

Really? That's good news: my Turkish friends say that one of the worst things about Turkish resorts in the summer are the Russian tourists. Apparently they are even worse than the British (supposedly British tourists are absolutely fine when sober and pretty much stay in British bars to get drunk, while Russian tourists are utter arsseholes 24/7 and even worse when they're drunk). I'll have to consider booking a holiday there next spring.

This all means that would all sane people, Poles included, forget Turkey as touristic destination.

You really don't know much about Poles, do you. The lack of Russian tourists is going to be an attraction for Poles!

Russians will stop spending holidays in Turkey, likely KGB will also arrest several Turks claiming they were spying and that will be the way to save the face for Putin.

Damn: I hate it when I agree with every word Greg has to say!
nothanks - | 640
25 Nov 2015  #24
Classic Turk move. Poke the bear and then run to mother NATO.
dolnoslask
25 Nov 2015  #25
Poland should do nothing, we should order more beer get the popcorn out and watch it on TV.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
25 Nov 2015  #26
yea..lets watch when other NATO countries sponsor terrorism.eat popcorn and wait till they knock to your door.well. they already do
Anna_Zirin - | 3
25 Nov 2015  #27
What should Poland do?? Do you think that the world really cares ? Poland is so insignificant in terms of world affairs. They capitulated in WW2 and ran to the Brits, then claimed that they actually helped Britain defeat Germany. Their economy is so 'healthy' that millions of Poles seek economic sanctuary in Western Europe mainly UK where they can collect all sorts of benefits amounting to many times more than they can actually earn in Poland. benefity.org.uk

The question of what Poland can do is laughable. Best the country sticks to what its good at....namely hating Asians and Africans.
dolnoslask
25 Nov 2015  #28
Anna_Zirin you are quite possibly correct "Poland is so insignificant in terms of world affairs" its the same for African and Asian countries. Ok that's more beer and popcorn that we need to buy.

No need for us to get involved, there is no financial gain for us. unlike the US and Russia who will share a huge oil wealth windfall.
istannbullu34 1 | 104
25 Nov 2015  #29
funny to say that Turkey has a strong army- next to Russian army Turkish army is a big nothing.

I am supposing if Erdogan will shoot down another plane, the Russians will answer back this time. European countries may try to be neutral in this case, but Turkey is important for Americans for Middle east plans, so they will back the Turks up and Erdogan will keep using Nato for the clashes against Russians.

Erdogan has mental problems- which can let him do unpredictable things, he is taking the country into a big dark mess but people are so mindless that they adore him. This country needed a leader like him to destroy everything so that maybe they will understand what Islam, radicalism and fascism bring.

Do not forget that a high portion of natural gas of Turks are coming from Russia- more than 50%, they have a lot of agreements on energy- and Russians in Turkish tourism have an important proportion. Turkish economy is `dependant`. I see already one big travel agency from Russia has stopped their tours to Turkey- around 1.5 million came to Turkey as tourists in first six months of 2015.

It showed two things so clearly. 1) The Turks are supporting terroris groups in the area 2) They are stupid enough to break all relationship with a country that they are dependant
NocyMrok
25 Nov 2015  #30
They capitulated in WW2

Poland has never capitulated. Do yourself a favour and get some knowledge on that matter. Even Hitler said that if Germany ever has to fight the insurgent war they will copy-paste what Polish underground army did.

PS. I myself will stick to hating ignorant people such as yourself.

What Poland can do? LOL. Let's say we suddenly make a pact with Russia. TADAM You have Russian military bases 540 kilometers from German border or 180 from Berlin.

*50 kilometers from German border


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