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NATO within NATO?


GefreiterKania 7 | 395
17 Sep 2021 #1
The UK, US and Australia have announced a historic security pact in the Asia-Pacific, in what's seen as an effort to counter China.
The pact also created a row with France, which has now lost a deal with Australia to build 12 submarines.

"It's really a stab in the back," France's Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian told France Info radio.

bbc.com/news/world-58564837

All three being NATO members sign a separate defense treaty, seriously annoying France, an important NATO member, in the proccess. Could it be the end of NATO as we know it?
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,665
17 Sep 2021 #2
France is so easily annoyed if it doesn't get the billion dollar/euro contract for it's own armament industry....ask the german armament industry, they can tell alot about that.

Sadly Paris is a much bigger supporter for it's own industry than Berlin is....so we are often losing out.

"...The French government says it was betrayed when Australia pulled out of their existing multi-billion dollar defense deal, agreeing instead to attain nuclear-powered submarines through a new deal with the United States and the United Kingdom...."

edition.cnn.com/2021/09/17/politics/france-anger-over-nuclear-powered-submarines-explained/index.html

It's just the pissy French, nothing new here...no danger for NATO!
OP GefreiterKania 7 | 395
17 Sep 2021 #3
the billion dollar/euro contract

According to the media it was a 40-billion dollar deal - a lot to be annoyed about!

It's just the pissy French

They recalled their ambassadors from USA and Australia! Looks like they're really pissed off.

And I'm still not quite sure why a separate defense pact was needed between countries who are already NATO members.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,665
17 Sep 2021 #4
It's just Paris getting out the big guns and throwing a fit....if the same would had happened to the german armament industry you would hear nothing about it....

As I said....Paris is very much in bed with their weapons-business and uses all its political influence it has....again, nothing new here....that happened inside the EU several times already as german and french armament industries are big rivals for the huge EU contracts...but that was never a danger to the EU and won't be a danger to NATO.

We just have to bear it and sit it out! *epic eye roll*
Novichok 1 | 5,164
17 Sep 2021 #5
Could it be the end of NATO as we know it?

Oh, God, please...
Ironside 51 | 11,510
17 Sep 2021 #6
Could it be the end of NATO as we know it?

Not that the US is gathering allies for their confrontation with China.
Novichok 1 | 5,164
18 Sep 2021 #7
There will not be any confrontation with China because - thank you, Lord - China has nukes, and the US has no damn reason to have another Vietnam - except a lot worse. Plus, that idea that transgender girls could be hurt is unacceptable to our "military".
Crow 152 | 9,747
18 Sep 2021 #8
"It's really a stab in the back," France's Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian told France Info radio.

Good morning, mister Jean-Yves. Welcome to the club of betrayed by Anglos.
jon357 69 | 18,420
19 Sep 2021 #9
France is so easily annoyed if i

They think they've a God-given right to get as many contracts as they can abroad, yet when foreign companies want contracts in France, they can't even find information about the tender process.

It's just the pissy French,

With a particularly petulant president. If he expels any more ambassadors he'll have none left.

According to the media it was a 40-billion dollar deal - a lot to be annoyed about!

They were failing to deliver the contract and were aware that it contained a cancellation clause to be activated in such a circumstance. They were so arrogant that they thought they could get away with it without penalties.
Crow 152 | 9,747
23 Sep 2021 #10
NATO is brain dead as it is concluded. No need to mourn for sad husk.

So

Serbia`s President Vucic coordinates with Visegrad today in Budapest. I hope Visegrad troops support Serbian army when the moment come to brake mujaheedine rule imposed thanks to NATO on Serbian southern province of Kosovo and Metohija. Serbian people is eager to fight alongised Poland once again. Poland and Racowie is old love.

Today >

Serbian Armed Forces raised combat readiness to the highest level PHOTO
> b92/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2021&mm=09&dd=23&nav_id=111799



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"Our army does not provoke, but it is ready to protect the people if anything that endangers their lives happens. ......," Minister said.

Jaw-Dropping Show Of Military Force By Serbian Army In Live-Fire Exercise

> youtube.com/watch?v=AhiTgoXQ-Ww

Serbian Military 2021 | Unbelievable Scary & Modernized Serbian Forces!

> youtube.com/watch?v=h9vXiYqR00Y
Novichok 1 | 5,164
23 Sep 2021 #11
Serbian people are eager to fight alongside Poland once again.

The only thing that matters is if they have the balls to shoot invading refugee hordes.
NATO does not and the scum knows that the best way to conquer a NATO country is the French way - drop the guns and take a couple of kids along. Not only they will not shoot but will send a team of social workers, food, medicine, diapers, and a map to the nearest welfare office.

Later, as a reward, they will get murders and rapes - if not another 9/11.

Yes, they are THAT stupid.
Strzelec35 34 | 1,268
23 Sep 2021 #12
yes Nato needs to dissolve and especially nato within nato. Its becoming too confusing. Too many allegiances or minor alegiances within larger allegiances.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,665
23 Sep 2021 #13
We will need the network against China....it won't stay much longer so peaceful....back to a new "Cold War"...including proxy wars!

To dissolve NATO and any other western alliance now would be like laying down arms and waving the white flag before the battle even started....

All the disturbing bruhaha now is just the consequence of the victory of the West in the old "Cold War" against the Commie bloc...after that the West turned inwards and let all the strong, working, victorious structures detoriate...now that all makes for a not so nice picture.

But the foundations are still there, they are sound and battle-proven...it just needs a real new enemy to get it all up and running anymore. Peking will make sure of that!
Novichok 1 | 5,164
24 Sep 2021 #14
To dissolve NATO and any other western alliance now would be like laying down arms

Actually, it would be just the opposite. With NATO poof gone, Europe, unleashed from the American stifling grip and control, would immediately snap into action and form ETO - a formidable force by itself. With the US for moral support, China is toast.

The problems I see is that on average 10% of the US women sailors are puking pregnant, transgenders need their hormonal treatment three times a day plus psych counseling, and Muslims - five daily prayers and special carpets.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,665
24 Sep 2021 #15
a formidable force by itself.

We can do both! :) Probably will have to...

The problems I see is that on average 10%

I don't think they will be needed that fit on a battlefield itself anymore....the wars of the future will be of a different kind...
Novichok 1 | 5,164
24 Sep 2021 #16
That's what the short guy said at Waterloo. Since then, the only thing that has changed is the wounded-to-dead ratio.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,665
24 Sep 2021 #17
We HAVE to lead a different war Rich.....China could get a gazillion men (+ nukes) up for any conventional war, they are like ants...there is no way the West could and should do it like them and leave it to them to choose the battlefield and the weapons....that way lays the sure defeat!
Novichok 1 | 5,164
24 Sep 2021 #18
We HAVE to lead a different war Rich....

For $300, how to win with China? Stop buying from China.

Now, wasn't that brilliant? Holy fu*ck! Why didn't anyone think about THAT until now???

And I didn't spend more than 5 seconds to come up with this revolutionary idea.

Novichok, you are a genius. Get a cookie.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,665
24 Sep 2021 #19
Stop buying from China.

Definitely! And that's what will start it...

*gives Rich a cookie* :)
Novichok 1 | 5,164
24 Sep 2021 #20
And that's what will start it...

You mean buy it from us or we will kill you?
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,665
24 Sep 2021 #21
Imagine....in a few years the tensions are running high...China wants to expand with soft and military power....some rare resources become really hotly contested, with China not above trying to extort everybody else...to leverage this battlefield the West (+assorted nations) start to slap such high tariffs on a all imports from China that producing and bying there stops being profitable. Customers and companies are leaving. The West unites additionally to block the still ongoing theft of knowledge and technology...the fronts are building...
Novichok 1 | 5,164
24 Sep 2021 #22
some rare resources become really hotly contested,

China is already there...

Seriously, with all that happy trading bordering on lovefest, only a total moron would enlist to fight the Chinese. I have no doubt whatsoever that the swamp here would be able to justify one segment of the US population paying and dying while another is trading with them and supplying the arms to them - all at the same time!

No, I am not nuts. We are doing it right now - trading and allowing their spies dressed up as "students" to come here and "study" while, at the same time, demanding more tax money to "modernize" and make them bigger and better - whatever is on the DoD dream list.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,665
24 Sep 2021 #23
Seriously, with all that happy trading bordering on lovefest, only a total moron would enlist to fight the Chinese.

Only morons can't think one, two steps into the future....or don't want to!

Right now our govs are led by morons ("happy trading lovefest")....but have trust in the Chinese. Like Hitler and the Commies later, they too will come to overestimate themselves and make that error which unifies their enemies!
Novichok 1 | 5,164
24 Sep 2021 #24
No one should be expected to die in self-inflicted wars. Back to no covid vaccine for me syndrome. Then go die but leave me alone.
Crow 152 | 9,747
24 Sep 2021 #25
The only thing that matters is if they have the balls to shoot invading refugee hordes.

I don`t think Poland would hesitate when the moment come. Here are the two top two allies of Poland... when they send call to Poland you`ll see Poland military intervene in the region as did in past during the blessed Commonwealth >>>

Joint exercise of river units of Serbia and Hungary
> vs.rs/en/news/0D430027A75A11E79F800050568F6690/joint-exercise-of-river-units-of-serbia-and-hungary

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tactical exercise called Iron Cat 2017.

BDW, Hungarian river fleet consists mostly of ships and boats produced in Serbia.
Crow 152 | 9,747
24 Sep 2021 #26
Spot Sarmatian solstice cross symbol on Serbian ships, uniforms and flags >

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We Serbs preserved old name of it. We call it OCILO which in English means `From Father`. Its cross surrounded with four fire-steal symbols in defensive position turned with backs to each others. Ancients used fire-steal to make fire.





Spot now same symbol on old denar of Polish King Mieszko, 1000 years old > heraldic experts says OCILO cross represent just another aspect of SVASTIKA cross, both invented and used by our common ancestors >

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and now spot denar of Boleslaw Chrobry >

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No, Poland won`t resits to the call of Sarmatian connection. Call of Racowie. Only that alliance have sense for Poland and secure supreme and godly morale for Polish troops.
Crow 152 | 9,747
24 Sep 2021 #27
Europe, unleashed from the American stifling grip and control, would immediately snap into action and form ETO - a formidable force by itself.

Only if Belgrade replace Brussels. Otherwise EU would sunk. Only led by Belgrade EU have chance to survive. Hungarian Orban spoke of it. EU have nothing without business connection of Belgrade,.. natural resources, energy, oil, gas, guaranteed access to Asian, Eurasian markets and even markets of Non-Aligned countries. Belgrade is now not only natural center of Europe but of the world. Brussels is past.

@Novichok you have to understand that major shift of power, money and wealth flow occurred in Europe and world. World is now Multi-Polar. Uni-Polar alliances are past. That is why Hungary and former Yugoslavian regions and even some more turning to Serbia and Germany losing positions. Post-Covid world would be more realistic then Pre-Covid world.
Novichok 1 | 5,164
24 Sep 2021 #28
World is now Multi-Polar.

I don't care. The West will not die in a violent confrontation with Russia or China. I will die by the millions of refugees the West has no balls to shoot as they cross over.
Crow 152 | 9,747
25 Sep 2021 #29
I don't care.

You do care if you love Poland and Slavic world. In Uni-Polar world in 50 years Poland would be assimilated. Catholic Poles would be completely universal, ethnic Catholics and wouldn`t be Polish/Slavic at all.

BUT, papacy was fingered.

The West will not die in a violent confrontation with Russia or China.

No, Slavic world won`t die. Anglos? Western Europe? If they are wise they wont die.

will die by the millions of refugees the West has no balls to shoot as they cross over.

Well they are led by the Rome. Universal Church demand universal believers.
Novichok 1 | 5,164
25 Sep 2021 #30
Universal Church demands universal believers.

Great line, Crow.
Not one bit different from international anything - like communism.

Back to shooting refugees...The white ship has tilted beyond the point of return by peaceful means. What's left is extreme violence whites are not capable of anymore.

In advance of the final act: RIP. Hello, Brazil and everything the word connects with.


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