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A Nationalist's Day out


delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
19 Nov 2013 #31
you are obsessed with that notion you borrowed from Harry.

I see it all the time. Rabid PiS supporters or worse, yet they will cheat the state just for a few extra Zloty.

You lost me here?

That's because I live in Poland and can see how voters across the political spectrum are appalled by the far-right's hijacking of many historical events. You can even see it with the Warsaw Uprising commemorations - people trying to turn it into a political occasion by booing and cheering certain people.
Ironside 51 | 11,338
19 Nov 2013 #32
That's because I live in Poland and can see how voters across the political spectrum are appalled by the far-right's hijacking of many historical events. You can even see it with the Warsaw Uprising commemorations - people trying to turn it into a political occasion by booing and cheering certain people.

I think you don#t understand Polish politics. I see no problem in cheering or booing certain people after all it is a public opinion. There are not far- right in Poland a fact you cannot grasp. You are long enough in Poland I think is a high time for you to get a gist of what going on in this country rather than using British concepts to understand Polish circumstances,

I see it all the time. Rabid PiS supporters or worse, yet they will cheat the state just for a few extra Zloty.

Don't tell me that you are buying that Manichean concept PiS bad, PO good.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
19 Nov 2013 #33
I see no problem in cheering or booing certain people after all it is a public opinion.

You don't see anything wrong with booing people AT A MEMORIAL SERVICE FOR THE WARSAW UPRISING?!

Ironside, I know you've been gone from Poland for a long time, but seriously.

There are not far- right in Poland

Again, you seem to have been gone a long time if you don't know anything about the far-right in Poland and how it reemerges every few years.

You are long enough in Poland I think is a high time for you to get a gist of what going on in this country rather than using British concepts to understand Polish circumstances

I'm still in shock that you think it's acceptable to turn memorial services into political occasions.

Don't tell me that you are buying that Manichean concept PiS bad, PO good.

I don't see PO, SLD, TR or PSL supporters shouting about their patriotism and then cheating the country and others at the same time.
Harry
19 Nov 2013 #34
I think you don#t understand Polish politics. I see no problem in cheering or booing certain people after all it is a public opinion

Some events are supposed to be above politics, for example events in remembrance of Polish heroes.

Frankly I find it disgraceful that a day which is supposed to remember the sacrifice of hundreds of thousands of Poles who gave their lives for Poland has become a "day out" for 'nationalists' (most of whom have never done anything at all to help Poland).
Ironside 51 | 11,338
19 Nov 2013 #35
I'm still in shock that you think it's acceptable to turn memorial services into political occasions.

Political? I would think that those who are spiritual heirs of traitors and their progeny have not right to pretend that their care about Home Army heroes. Why they even try? Politics and people are unset by such a hypocrisy.
Harry
19 Nov 2013 #36
Are these some of the events that you are talking about?

A figurehead for Poland's wartime resistance has criticised right-wingers who heckled ceremonies marking the 68th anniversary of the Warsaw Rising.
General Zbigniew Scibor-Rylski, the 95-year-old chairman of the Association of Warsaw Insurgents, has described the hecklers as "fanatics" in the wake of Wednesday's tributes.
In spite of veterans appeals for respectful silence during ceremonies marking the doomed 1944 insurgency against the Nazi German occupiers, two incidents marred this year's commemorations.
On both occasions, hecklers appeared to be aiming to discredit Poland's current coalition government.
The first incident took place while Prime Minister Donald Tusk laid a wreath at the Gloria Victis monument in Warsaw's Powazki Military Cemetery.
Hums and whistles broke out from a portion of the crowd as the premier laid the wreath. Moments later, right-wing opposition MP Antoni Macierewicz (Law and Justice), who is widely known for promoting conspiracy theories about the 2010 Smolensk air crash, was greeted with enthusiastic applause.
Later in the evening, shouting and whistling erupted as city and government officials joined veterans and scouts in a torch-lighting ceremony at a memorial mound devoted to the Warsaw Rising.

/1/9/Artykul/107958,Veteran-condemns-Warsaw-Rising-anniversary-hecklers

The general also had words about younger people who seemed to think that remembrance events are a 'day out'

However, commenting on the second incident, which was initiated by a younger group, the general was more conciliatory, saying that he does not consider them to be "bad" people, but simply "young" and "misinformed."
He said he believes the hecklers came for "patriotic reasons", and that owing to this, he accepted apologies from some members of the crowd following the ceremony.

It's just a pity that the people who think patriotism is about having a day out in Warsaw can't follow the example of General Scibor-Rylski and actually do something for Poland.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
19 Nov 2013 #37
Are these some of the events that you are talking about?

They are indeed. Disgusting behaviour, and unbelievable that Ironside and Goofy would support actions that the good General himself has criticised.
Harry
19 Nov 2013 #38
Disgusting behaviour

It is simply what happens when nationalism goes bad.

unbelievable that Ironside and Goofy would support actions that the good General himself has criticised.

I have absolutely no comment whatsoever to make about Ironside, but could Goofy perhaps be one of the young people the General was talking about? Not "bad" people, but simply "young" and "misinformed." came for "patriotic reasons": does that sound like more than a few members of Patriae Fidelis?

I really would love to see a thread here about a "Nationalist's Day out" where a group of young nationalists had a day out which helped Poland. It's not as if there's any shortage of organisations here who do good work for the nation and would really really love a hand. Hell, I'd even buy the beer and sausages for their campfire at the end of the day myself.
f stop 25 | 2,513
20 Nov 2013 #39
got to love the Dutch: urlesque.com/2010/05/21/happy-birthday-to-dutch-bus-driver/
Harry
20 Nov 2013 #40
got to love the Dutch:

Er, I rather think that that bus driver was Danish rather than Dutch (the Danish flags being waved with the Somali flags were a bit of a giveaway).

But, back on topic, why did a group of supposed Polish nationalists on a 'day out' decide to meet up in a Dutch bar? Why didn't they spend their money at a Polish business and support Polish business owners?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
20 Nov 2013 #41
Why didn't they spend their money at a Polish business and support Polish business owners?

A very interesting question. Perhaps Goofy would like to explain why a proud nationalist like himself gave his money to foreigners?
Harry
21 Nov 2013 #42
Perhaps Goofy would like to explain why a proud nationalist like himself gave his money to foreigners?

I'm not saying that Goofy did that, I'm saying that Patriae Fidelis members who went on a 'day out' in Warsaw did that.

If anybody is planning a trip to Warsaw and would like to try excellent Polish beer brewed by Polish brewers and thus support Polish business owners, I'd be only too happy to recommend some of such places which have infinitely better beer than the chemical p!ss that is Warka.
Ironside 51 | 11,338
21 Nov 2013 #43
They are indeed. Disgusting behaviour, and unbelievable that Ironside and Goofy would support actions that the good General himself has criticised.

I told you on chat that I don't support it. I personally wouldn't do it but I understand reasons for such behaviour. You seems to be unable to grasp many issues about Poland. Hard to believe you can speak Polish.

A very interesting question. Perhaps Goofy would like to explain why a proud nationalist like himself gave his money to foreigners?

As there is very few Polish establishments in Poland it is hardly feasible to go and look for one when you are only visiting.
Harry
21 Nov 2013 #44
As there is very few Polish establishments in Poland it is hardly feasible to go and look for one when you are only visiting.

Straight off the top of my head I can think of ten Polish-owned establishments within 200 metres of the Warka pub where Patriae Fidelis members on their day out went which each serve at least 15 types of Polish beer that's brewed in Polish breweries. In fact, I'm pretty sure that the Warka pub is the only bar in that area which is foreign owned (both Tel Aviv and Tortilla Factory have foreign names but the foreign ownership in each is minor, Beirut has a foreign name but is Polish owned). You're right that all of the mega-breweries are foreign owned, but at the small brewery level virtually every brewery is Polish owned and in the regional beer market about 95% of the beers are brewed by Polish-owned breweries. It's a similar situation with HoRaCa: the big players (i.e. chains) are all foreign owned (as are quite a few of the largest single developments) but the rest are over-whelmingly Polish owned.

I know quite a bit about the bar and restaurant scene in Warsaw and a fair bit more about the Polish beer industry.

And when it comes to the place Patriae Fidelis decided to meet up, the name alone tells you that it's foreign-owned! Why didn't they at least try somewhere which they didn't know about the ownership of?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
21 Nov 2013 #45
As there is very few Polish establishments in Poland it is hardly feasible to go and look for one when you are only visiting.

What? Ironside, your lack of knowledge about Poland is showing more and more every day.

Surely it's not beyond the capability of a nationalist to write a message on an internet forum asking for a recommendation for a good Polish owned pub owned by sympathetic individuals?
peterweg 37 | 2,320
21 Nov 2013 #46
I would think that those who are spiritual heirs of traitors and their progeny

Lets not forget who the Neo-Nazi's are heirs to.
Wroclaw Boy
21 Nov 2013 #47
Goofy and his nationalist buddies went to a Dutch bar?.......a Dutch bar........?
Ironside 51 | 11,338
21 Nov 2013 #48
Lets not forget who the Neo-Nazi's are heirs to.

What neo-nazi? I understand you can be ignorant about many issues but please go and educate yourself instead of making such wide offf mark comments.
Harry
21 Nov 2013 #49
WB, the nationalists on their big day out didn't go to a Dutch themed bar; they went to a bar which is a Polish-themed beer-themed bar but which is actually Dutch and serves chemical p!ss.
peterweg 37 | 2,320
21 Nov 2013 #50
What neo-nazi?

They act the same as Nazi's, hence the name Neo-Nazi's. I know its not something Nationalists want to be associated with, but there it is.
Harry
21 Nov 2013 #51
But peter, who really knows what those nationalists want? They say they want to help Poland, and then they go to a Dutch bar; they're more confused than Scooby Doo!
Ironside 51 | 11,338
22 Nov 2013 #52
They act the same as Nazi's, hence the name Neo-Nazi's. I know its not something Nationalists want to be associated with, but there it is.

Really? Are you an expert? Do you know much about Nationalists in Poland or you are repeating what you can find in the Voice of Warsaw or the like?


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