Germany hunts down a 96 years old woman.

I would say no....because B is killed for his involvement with A's love interest.....not because he is male or female or black or white or whatever....

And the point of it all is what then? Civics 101 lecture? Children, this is how bad NAZIs look? '
By putting her on the same scale, you, Germans, are actually diminishing the evil done by the real war criminals. It's like calling check kiters and serial murderers criminals. Ooo, scary...

Just curious...If she says today that she knows what a horrible person she is, do you still want her in court?

@Bratwurst Boy
So a person with a lower functioning brain that has the need to make his thought process as easy and fast as possible by reducing his «doorsteps» height to describe or categorize somebody (as to what he can expect from them) faster then those with more experience around people?

@Oathbreaker

Sorry???

She is not charged with organizing genocide or planning a war of agression, thus she is hardly placed on the same scale. She assisted in the murder and genocide and that is what she must answer for.

@Bratwurst Boy
To wrap it up, the most famous "hate crime" was not a hate crime at all, but it was Exhibit A for the movement. Quoting:

His conclusion, outlined in The Book of Matt: Hidden Truths about the Murder of Matthew Shepard, is that the grotesque murder was not a hate crime, but could instead be blamed on crystal meth, a drug that was flooding Denver and the surrounding area at the time of Matthew's death.

That's what happens when mind reading is smuggled in as evidence.

Source: theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/26/the-truth-behind-americas-most-famous-gay-hate-murder-matthew-shepard


War crimes have only one scale with the title: War crimes.

I would agree....any crime under the influence of drugs is no hate crime...

We have had a similiar case in Germany....the murder of mainly immigrants in a town called Hanau....the culprit first killed his mother and is a certified nutter (paranoid schizophrenic), but because of the heritage of his other victims it was called and treated as a hate crime against foreigner!

On the other hand.....an asylum seeker from Somalia kills 3 women with a knife in Würzburg....the media never talked about a hate crime against women...but a mentally disturbed sick man with a traumatic past...

Yeah....such things aren't judged with a blind eye as it should be!

That is why I treat everything as a lie until proven otherwise.

@Bratwurst Boy
If somebody is unable to categorize a person as a human being performing a crime: example of theft (a thief) but, instead calls them something which is used to describe a certain group based on any forms of preferances (some being accurate to pinpoint it better, or broadening it hit as many as possible for political purposes)

So with example of Novichok calling human beings parasites, it's not only for the purpose of awakening stronge feelings, but also for the purpose of dehumanizing as many people as possible cause he sees other humans as enemies. Out there to get him or closest to him. We can soon see it by his reaction to my startment as well.

Digging to the fear of unknown, other or different. Your own fear of being in Poland can basically be used by any politician describing Poland/Poles as a threat. If it's nonsense then exchange being in Poland with being in Iran, SA or China or U.S.A and you will see which fears rule you and who uses it against you

Hmmm....is someone calling somebody a "parasite" already a hate crime or just him utilizing free speech?

But I would agree.....dehumanizing someone verbally could be for some already unbalanced individual the first step to actually commit a hate crime....it's a slippery slope, always has been.

@Bratwurst Boy
Thankfully I live now in Poland and don't need to think about what the judiciary in U.S or U.K or Germany for that matter think of as hate crime. Emotions are legal to express in Poland, what you do however has consequences

....as it should be!

Just because you are mentally ill it does not mean you are automatically not responsible for your deeds. Each case is judged individually by doctors. The man in Würzbürg was not in control of himself, while the man in Hanau was, as evidenced by his methodical planning and since he made his racist motives perfectly clear, there was certainly enough groubd to charge him with a hate crime.

Besides, you will likely spend more time institutinalized than if you were convicted for murder.

Taking drugs or drinking can even be deemed as preparation for murder if it was done to make it "easier" to get it over with. Fu


This is what the Nazis did, dehumanizing their future victims verbally and ostracizing and isolating them from the rest of society.

I disagree....also the Somali had to plan his murders....he had to organize himself a knife...he had to look for transport into Würzburg....he searched for women to kill.

The Hanau murderer started his killing spree with his own mother...who was not an immigrant at all...where does that fit into a hate crime?

Where is the difference between these sick people?

Easy with those Nazis... Everybody does it, Americans included, to make killing the enemy psychologically more tolerable. It's the instinct of self-preservation at work. That is why they were "those fu*cking Japs", not those nice patriotic Japanese soldiers.

It's getting to be a pattern here...A Pole as a German patriot and an objective observer.

The degree of their sickness. People with the same mental illness can act completely different from each other, which is why we have experts deciding about their fate and not outsiders.


Maybe he hated his motjer for different reasons. The man in Hanau wrote lenghty rant how he wants to make Germany "pure" again and rid it off foreigners, I'd argue that is a big indication for his motive.

But that didn't happen, didn't it!

For the murdered women from Würzburg there was no "Say their names" action in the media with photos and orbituaries and lengthy interviews with the families....

The treatment of the victims was as different because of the identity of the murderers..no expert had a say in that but Zeitgeist!

I personally find that extremely unfair and plain wrong. As if native german victims count somewhat less....

Your version of a protected class. We have ours and we know when this is the case when the free speech muzzlers use substitute words like "youths" for black thugs.

You are reading things into it that simply are not there.

People get sadly murdered every day and no one cares. The murders at Hanau were simply large enough to warrant more attention. 3 killings by 1 culprit is, as cynically as it sounds, not that extraordinary. You can find several cases like this. 12 murders however are very unusual, and that is what receives more attention. That the culprit in Würzburg was by all accounts stark raving mad probably also played a part, there is little use in speculating about his motives or how it could happen if the case is clear like that, while the case at Hanau illustrates a serious concern about lone wolves radicalizing themselves via the Internet.

I could easily tell you where the foreign identity of the culprit assured that the case got more attention than it originally would have. When I lived in Freiburg, there were two murders of female college students in a brief period of time. One was done by an Afghan asylum seeker, the other by a Romanian truck driver who later turned out to be a serial killer. Which case do you think made national headlines?

Easy. The Afghan pos. Do you know why? It did because that murder was 100% preventable as all murders by foreign scum are. Don't let them in and they will not murder you. That simple.

The murder by the truck driver was not preventable since Romania is part of the EU and he was free to work anywhere within the block.

By the same token was the other murder theoretically preventable, e.g. by leaving the EU. In both cases the price would be unacceptable.

Leaving the EU vs telling one pos who had no basis to apply to get lost...Hmm... Let me think...

Surely the Romanian...white male and european.....better, easier culprit than a brown skinned asylum seeker from elsewhere (always only victims)!

When A murders B here I pray to God to make A an illegal scum and B a Democrat who wants open borders.
In the majority of cases, God delivers - even to a card-carrying atheist like me.

"People get sadly murdered every day and no one cares."

Polaks care. Theyre obsessed with the Ukrainians now because they feel theyre taking their jobs and men (Ukrainian women are better in bed and more giving it seems) away.