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Germany hunts down a 96 years old woman.


Ironside 51 | 11,510
3 Oct 2021 #1
Great success. The German police managed to catch a nursing home escapee. Well done.
A 96 years old woman tried to evade German justice.
Although slow, very slow, and blind the justice at the last moment managed to catch a former 18 years secretary in Stuthoff's dead camp (occupied Poland).

My view:
1. Funny name, her name Irmgrad, why not Brunchilda lol!
2. It's some German sh#le, even you can hear it in the name - Itzehoe. lol!
3. Press doesn't call Stuthff a Polish concentration camp but a concentration camp in occupied Poland.
So I finally got the difference between those two. One is where the Jews were murdered (amounts other or solely), the other where mainly Poles or others were murdered. So, Stuthhow was a place where the Polish elite was tagged by Germans.

4. They took (germans) their sweet time. In meantime, many German leaders guilty as hell, high command, and so on were free to live their life in comfort as heroes oft being mayors of towns and so on.

5. Looks to me like some leftie/liberal pointless ritual of condemning the nasty Nazis. (all who doesn't share their views)By picking on an old woman, you can see it as support for euthanasia too.

6. Futility of that action - what are they going to do with her? They will not hang her!!
they will put her in a nursing home with bars and a security guard.
7. Germany is showing off. Must be over deal with Putin and gas. To deflect some of the attention.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,712
3 Oct 2021 #2
Funny name, her name Irmgrad

It's "Irmgard".....

LANGUAGE FAMILY: indo-european > germanic > west germanic > german
ORIGIN: germanic
NAME ROOT: *ERMUNAZ *GARDAZ > IRMINGARD


name-doctor.com/name-irmgard-meaning-of-irmgard-20150.html

It was quite a popular name back in the day......

Germany is showing off.

Not necessarily.....my guess is it's a psychological think......now it's the grandchildrens turn to "hang" the grandparents.....before it was parents and childrens.....for many to near in the family so it was more of a taboo....now some grandchildren fear the last time witnesses are dying before they can properly be punished so they hang whom they still can get...

I have no idea....*shrugs*....but I doubt I have the right to judge...only the victims and their grandchildren can say: Enough!
pawian 181 | 17,079
3 Oct 2021 #3
Futility of that action - what are they going to do with her? They will not hang her!!

You can`t stop dreaming of hanging people. Do you remember how you desired to send me to the gallows a few years ago??? Very good you remain so steady in your opinions, just a proof of being reliable. :):)
OP Ironside 51 | 11,510
3 Oct 2021 #4
It's "Irmgard".....

I know BB. I don't question it at all. I'm aware that some old Norse mythology names made their way into Germany one time or other. All I say is it sounds funny to me.

they hang whom they still can get

Those wwho deserved it a long dead. What is the point of harassing her now? I mean the change they will hang are zero.

You

Your post has been reported as an off-topic post. Don't sh't all over my thread with your BS.
pawian 181 | 17,079
3 Oct 2021 #5
Your post has been reported as an off-topic post.

How can a post be reported as off-topic if it is in an off-topic thread already???? hahaha Do you think at all?

Don't sh't all over my thread with your BS.

What BS?? You clearly expressed your regret they are not going to hang her. And I commented on it and even praised you for being so stable and reliable. What is wrong with it???
Novichok 2 | 5,267
3 Oct 2021 #6
7. Germany is showing off. Must be over deal with Putin and gas. To deflect some of the attention.

Or it's a national obsession and mental disorder about "NAZIs". Like with that pavlovian dog, say "one more NAZI" and Germany hits the red panic button. Say "refugees" and they smile and bring food.
OP Ironside 51 | 11,510
3 Oct 2021 #7
Or it's a national obsession

I doubt it has popular support/ I would say those are politicians and lefties working for the common goal hand in hand or lefties politicians.

You clearly expressed your regret they are not going to hang her.

Did I? I knew your reading comprehension sucks. I would extend it to your cognitive abilities sucks.
Novichok 2 | 5,267
3 Oct 2021 #8
I doubt it has popular support/

To show how vigilant they are protecting the nation. A classic "look here, not there".
In the meantime, a migrant rapist gets 2 suspended, a wag, and will never be deported
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,712
3 Oct 2021 #9
I have investigated some more and it seems there is only one man the driving force behind these late "Nazi trials"....one lawyer Thomas Walther.

All trials during the last years against super old Nazis come back in one way or the other to him...he even got the "Bundesverdienstkreuz" for that.

It's not "Germany" at all...not even "Lefties".....only him....he seems to be kind of obsessed to be a "Nazi Jäger" (the last one at that)....no matter how small the wheel and how guilty, they are still living they need to be trialed, he seems to believe...*shrug*

Even as he is now retired he keeps going...against Irmgard F. too. It seems to be very personal for this guy....

allgaeuer-zeitung.de/allgaeu/weiler/thomas-walther-erh%C3%A4lt-bundesverdienstkreuz_arid-124721

And no, it has nothing to do with Putin or immigrant crimes...nothing at all....
OP Ironside 51 | 11,510
3 Oct 2021 #10
only one man the driving force behind these late "Nazi trials"....one lawyer Thomas Walther.

Well OK.
Too late I would say. All the nazi fat cats are dead. What he was doing in the 70'? I wonder.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,712
3 Oct 2021 #11
Hmmm....his Bio says he (born '43) first studied Literature before he became a lawyer and worked as a judge at some district court....this whole thing started in earnest in 2006.

That's when he (then 63 years old) decided for another career change and took over the clearing up of Nazi crimes in Ludwigsburg...from then on it spiraled outwards...with the trial against John Demjanjuk in 2008/2009...he has never stopped since....

Walther developed the legal concept that already aid for massmurder is a punishable act.....and then the run for the smallest wheels in the Nazi machinery started...with this secretary his latest interest.

So....he is not accidentally not interested in the "fat cats" but in the secretaries and drivers and guard details and such....
Novichok 2 | 5,267
3 Oct 2021 #12
It's not "Germany" at all...not even "Lefties".....only him...

That makes it worse. One guy intimidating the system to the point that the whole world knows that there a nearly dead woman is being hunted down by the entire German criminal justice system. How about a "fu*ck off and take your pills, old fool"?

A secretary who knew!!! Wow!!! Where is the electric chair or a gas chamber...
One man intimidating the system...Hmm..When did I see that before...

I wonder how many Stasi agents were sentenced to life-no-parole - for doing, not just knowing.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,712
3 Oct 2021 #13
One guy intimidating the system

Yeah...since there is no law safe guarding those who did actually aid the Nazi machinery...so....they have to be trialed!

I wonder how many Stasi agents were sentenced to life-no-parole - for doing, not just knowing.

Not enough! Maybe it needs another generation here too....or two...for the appeareance of some STASI Jäger...
OP Ironside 51 | 11,510
3 Oct 2021 #14
o....he is not accidentally not interested in the "fat cats" but in the secretaries

What a dick! Going for easy prey. Must be doing it all for his glory not for some sense of justice.
pawian 181 | 17,079
4 Oct 2021 #16
Your post has been reported as an off-topic post

That Passive Voice usage means you wanted to deliver bad or potentially unpopular news in a more pleasant way. Instead of brutally harsh: I reported your post.

It suggests there are still some elements of good in you. You are like Darth Vader, not fully corrupt and evil. Amazing.
Tacitus 2 | 1,462
5 Oct 2021 #17
Yeah, it took the German justice system more than 70 years to come around the idea that assistance in genocide could be considered as assistance to murder, even if you can not be convicted for a specific killing and thus not fall under the statue of limitations. Certainly much longer than needed, but better late than never I suppose.

In meantime, many German leaders guilty as hell, high command

I don't know about that. Certainly far too many culprits went unpunished (it is estimated that roughly 250k were involved in the Holocaust, and from the survivors only a fraction was ever tried, let alone convicted), but the really high-ups often received some punishment, even if it only consisted of a few years in prison. None of the KZ camp leaders escaped for example.
jon357 69 | 18,492
6 Oct 2021 #18
assistance in genocide could be considered as assistance to murder,

The current project at Babi Yar is naming all involved, even the caterers.
Novichok 2 | 5,267
6 Oct 2021 #19
even the caterers.

That's the intake. How about the other end? Are the toilet fixers war criminals, too?
jon357 69 | 18,492
6 Oct 2021 #20
Certainly far too many culprits went unpunished

And of course they're now either dead or drooling geriatrics.
Novichok 2 | 5,267
6 Oct 2021 #21
Hey, if we can give medals to dead heroes, why not convict dead war criminals? You know, to "send a message".
OP Ironside 51 | 11,510
6 Oct 2021 #22
SS-Gruppenführer Heinz Reinefarth,Kurt Fischer,Günther Bock,Fritz Werner. Just a few names from only a small part they took part in - the Wola massacre. They never answered for anything, nor served in prison quite the opposite.
jon357 69 | 18,492
6 Oct 2021 #23
SS-Gruppenführer

Given the rank, they're certainly long dead now.
Novichok 2 | 5,267
6 Oct 2021 #24
They should have been executed in 1945 with their kids and wives watching. They were not dead then.
Tacitus 2 | 1,462
6 Oct 2021 #25
Wola massacre

Try to see it this way: Hitler personally ordered the massacre and he was forced to commit suicide. Himmler relayed the order and suffered the same fate. General Erich von dem Bach-Zelewski who was heavily involved in supressing the uprising and organizing the logistics for the massacre was sentenced to life in prison. General Hans Källner fell in battle in 1945. Paul Otto Geibel who organized police units who participated in the massacre was extradited to Poland, and in a surprisingly lenient sentenced to life in prison. Oskar Dirlewanger who was known for his brutality, was probably beaten to death by freed former Polish slave labours while in custody (quite the Karma!). There were many who escaped punishment, but I found it more satisfactory to focus more on those who were punished than those who did not. There is already enough injustice in the world.
Lyzko 32 | 7,931
6 Oct 2021 #26
Germany will most likely never live down her role in the Holocaust, fact!
Therefore, logic notwithstanding, most younger, enlightened, and generally sensitive young Germans continue to see it as their duty, not merely their right, to hunt down the very last once active Nazi until there are none standing.

Can one honestly blame them?
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,712
6 Oct 2021 #27
If "living down" you mean forgetting I don't think so...and I don't know why anybody would want to.

But that "hunting" is nearing it's natural end...the survivors are leaving us, so are the culprits.
Lyzko 32 | 7,931
6 Oct 2021 #28
A decent riposte.
jon357 69 | 18,492
6 Oct 2021 #29
.the survivors are leaving us, so are the culprits.

Yes. Perhaps I'm a softy, however it could well be a time to call a moratorium on it, or there'll only be centenarians they're arresting. Just expose and name them. Maybe by means of a War Crimes Memorial in every town with their names written in stone; the stigma for their families at least keeps the atrocities in the public eye.
Novichok 2 | 5,267
6 Oct 2021 #30
to hunt down the very last once active Nazi until there are none standing.

Going nuts and off-scale is not a virtue. Chasing NAZIs is just a line and a very worn-out one. Civilized societies chase those who committed specific deeds that were crimes at the time. Operating phones, typing, and delivering mail never was and never will be a crime - unless your agenda is to make it so to extract more money from the people who were not even born then.


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