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George Floyd authopsy report


Spike31 3 | 1,726
5 Jun 2020 #1
George Floyd's Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens:

1. Fentanyl 11 ng/mL [statnews.com/2016/09/29/why-fentanyl-is-deadlier-than-heroin/]
2. Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL
3. 4-ANPP 0.65 ng/mL
4. Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL [drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/methamphetamine/what-methamphetamine]
5. 11-Hydroxy Delta-9 THC 1.2 ng/mL;
Delta-9 Carboxy THC 42 ng/mL; Delta-9 THC 2.9 ng/mL

III. No life-threatening injuries identified

hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/Autopsy_2020-3700_Floyd.pdf
jon357 63 | 15,068
5 Jun 2020 #2
" independent experts said the medical problems revealed in the full autopsy report don't change the conclusion that the handcuffed man's death was a homicide."

knsiradio.com/news/local-news/expert-drug-toxicity-had-no-bearing-george-floyds-cause-death
AntV 2 | 175
5 Jun 2020 #3
report don't change the conclusion

Agreed, but it may make it difficult to get a murder 2 conviction. It may also make it more difficult to convict the other cops charged as accessories.

In other words, it sets up a modest to good chance unrest will flare up after the trial. IMO, the prosecutors caved to pressure and dealt themselves a problematic hand of cards.
jon357 63 | 15,068
5 Jun 2020 #4
but it may make it difficult to get a murder 2 conviction.

That depends largely on whether or not a prosecutor can satisfy a jury that the cop was responsible for his death to an extent that it fits the charges. A lot will depend on t(e composition of the jury.

it sets up a modest to good chance unrest will flare up after the trial

This is true.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
5 Jun 2020 #5
George Floyd's Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens:

None of which excuses the way that the police acted towards him.
AntV 2 | 175
5 Jun 2020 #6
A lot will depend on t(e composition of the jury.

Yes, but defense will have a lot to say about that makeup. Glimpsing at murder 2 defined in minnesota's crim code, the prosecutor is going to have to prove intent. The autopsy's lack of severe damage to larynx may make it difficult to prove Chauvin intended to kill.

IMO, prosecutors screwed up slapping the 2 charge.

Defense will make damn sure jury is aware of Floyd's drug use and lack of trauma to windpipe. The questikn will be asked: if Chauvin INTENDED to kill, why isn't there any severe trauma?

I can see not much problem getting the 3, but the 2 may be a reach.

But, of course, this is all armchair litigation on my part.
jon357 63 | 15,068
5 Jun 2020 #7
but defense will have a lot to say about that makeup

Doubtless.

prosecutor is going to have to prove intent

He may be able to do so to the satisfaction of the jury, given the length of time the cop was kneeling on his victim's neck.

I agree though that the charges could have been better thought through.
AntV 2 | 175
5 Jun 2020 #8
He may be able to do so, given the length of time the cop was kneeling on his victim's neck

It has come to light that Floyd's behavior on the street up to time of arrest was bizarre, indicating he was high on drugs (which autopsy proves he was). So, defense will capitalize on that. Say something like Chauvin's intent was to keep Floyd under control. Ergo, no intent to kill.
jon357 63 | 15,068
5 Jun 2020 #9
bizarre

Not an unusual occurrence for police.

Chauvin's intent was to keep Floyd under control

By kneeling on his neck for 8 minutes, with colleagues stood watching.
AntV 2 | 175
5 Jun 2020 #10
Yeah, as terrible as it may be. If you've ever experienced someone flying that high, it's nothing to play with; especially a big dude.

Doesn't mean Chauvin is justified in having done it for that long. But, it may mitigate intent to kill.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
5 Jun 2020 #11
Say something like Chauvin's intent was to keep Floyd under control.

What I can't understand - why was he held down like that for so long? Even if he was totally off his face on drugs, why wasn't he just cuffed and thrown in the police car?
AntV 2 | 175
5 Jun 2020 #12
@delphiandomine

Good questions. That might have legit answers, might not. What we experience and what cops experience and have to respond to are often incongruous. So, it's hard to understand how certain tactics are legit, but they may be completely legit.

Nevertheless, in this case, i have the same questions as you. I've got a theory, but that's all it is, so not worth going into, but it appears this cop was criminally negligent in the least. Whether he intended to kill, only he and God know that. It won't be easy to prove, IMO.
Joker 1 | 1,458
5 Jun 2020 #13
George Floyd's Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens:

He has an extensive criminal record as well.

George Floyd had 'violent criminal history': Minneapolis police union chief.....

nypost.com/2020/06/02/george-floyd-had-violent-criminal-history-minneapolis-union-chief/

thecourierdaily.com/george-floyd-criminal-past-record-arrest/20177/

Hes been to prison twice for armed burglary and multiple time for cocaine possession.

Sounds like a crackhead to me!
AntV 2 | 175
5 Jun 2020 #14
@Joker
Yeah, but that doesn't mitigate the cops negligence. It just shows Floyd wasn't the upstanding citizen he's being portrayed as.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
5 Jun 2020 #15
Whether he intended to kill, only he and God know that.

I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and say that it's highly unlikely that he intended to kill him. Murder needs intent, doesn't it? So in this case, it's hard to see how a murder charge could hold, though I suppose it might also be a way of putting pressure on Chauvin to plead guilty to manslaughter.

Has anything emerged about Chauvin's background?
Miloslaw 6 | 3,027
5 Jun 2020 #16
Sounds like a crackhead to me

He was and he was a bad man, but does he deserve to die for trying to buy a packet of cigarettes with a dud note?

Seems a touch harsh to me.....
AntV 2 | 175
5 Jun 2020 #17
@delphiandomine
Chauvin's personal situation colors my theory.

Depends on state if ALL murder charges need intent. In MN murder 3 does not need intent.
jon357 63 | 15,068
5 Jun 2020 #18
So in this case, it's hard to see how a murder charge could hold

They have first, second and third degree homicide over there. As far as I can see, first degree is something like Involuntary Manslaughter and third degree is like the English and Scottish definition of Murder with Malice Aforethought. About second degree homicide, I'm not sure.

Chauvin's background?

There was something online that he and George Floyd had worked together in a restaurant. Do you know if that has been confirmed.
johnny reb 24 | 4,293
5 Jun 2020 #19
why wasn't he just cuffed

He was cuffed by four cops with tazers and guns and at that point no longer a threat.
The problem was delph is that he was not resisting what so ever as the pre video of his arrest showed.
The cops cuffed him without incident, then threw him to the ground and strangled him as he cried for his mother knowing he was going to die.

The bad cop knows he is walking dead.
Do you have any idea how this bad cop will die in prison ?
Miloslaw 6 | 3,027
5 Jun 2020 #20
it's highly unlikely that he intended to kill him

Agreed, it was jjst an unfortunate accident.

There was something online that he and George Floyd had worked together in a restaurant

That is interesting though..
jon357 63 | 15,068
5 Jun 2020 #21
Do you have any idea how this bad cop will die in prison ?

Is there any equivalent over there of what we call "the numbers"? When people are segregated on a different wing for their own protection.
Miloslaw 6 | 3,027
5 Jun 2020 #22
The bad cop knows he is walking dead

I am sure he does... which makes me wonder why he did it....
johnny reb 24 | 4,293
5 Jun 2020 #23
When people are segregated on a different wing for their own protection.

Ask Jeffrey Epstein how that works in America's prisons.
If somebody wants you dead in prison there is no protection.
The prisoners run the asylums.
The latest is that the whole Buffalo New York police force just quit. (58 of them)
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
5 Jun 2020 #24
The bad cop knows he is walking dead.

I never thought about this, but you're right, all it takes is one 'malfunction' and some lifer with nothing to lose can make a name for himself.
johnny reb 24 | 4,293
5 Jun 2020 #25
More likely someone buys the lifers mother a new house in the burbs.
Crow 139 | 8,168
5 Jun 2020 #26
George Floyd's Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens

If data are correct it could mean a life of innocent cop may be ruined. And we will never know it. The truth will die with him.

Possible scenario >

The Cop is confronted with the restless man out of his mind, a mindless beast. Cop conclude man is on drugs and can't be reasoned, a madman. Cop disable madman and wait for reinforcement. The cop holds the madman while waiting. Madman has problems with lungs and telling that to cop. The cop doesn't believe him considering see the man as a madman. A man on drugs, madman dies.
jon357 63 | 15,068
5 Jun 2020 #27
innocent cop

He's guilty of something. The question is what.
johnny reb 24 | 4,293
5 Jun 2020 #28
Cop conclude man is on drugs and can't be reasoned,

Crow go back and read my post.
The guy was not being unreasonable as he submitted to all of the bad cops commands.

Cop disable madman and wait for reinforcement.

No Crow, Floyd was handcuffed behind his back rendered no threat and there were FOUR police officers surrounding him who all had tazers and guns.

Why do you think those four armed bad cops would need reinforcements ?????

Floyd was of NO THREAT to the bad cops.
He was the attacked by the bad cop and thrown to the ground for no reason.
That was all captured on video Crow so quit projecting your fantasy of what didn't happen.
Joker 1 | 1,458
5 Jun 2020 #29
Yeah, but that doesn't mitigate the cops negligence.

I never said it did.

Seems a touch harsh to me.....

All I did was point out his felony ridden record. Hey, if he were still in prison, he would be alive right now!

Perhaps, this stopped him from committing his 3 armed burglary upon the public. Most likely to feed his cocaine habit. I dont care about the drugs, but he was a thug, plain and simple. He had multiple felony convections, not the Saint theyre trying to make him out as.
Crow 139 | 8,168
5 Jun 2020 #30
Thanks for complete info. Well, cop is maniacal murderer. Its clear then.

Who knows, cop maybe did it for money of Hillary Clinton. Or maybe for her love.


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